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Just need him to flip-flop on Iraq a few more times and he's golden.I like Owen Smith, to be honest.I think he could be a very good leader. Wouldn't mind seeing him get the job at all.
Just need him to flip-flop on Iraq a few more times and he's golden.I like Owen Smith, to be honest.I think he could be a very good leader. Wouldn't mind seeing him get the job at all.
Think it'll likely be him that goes onto the ballot.I like Owen Smith, to be honest.I think he could be a very good leader. Wouldn't mind seeing him get the job at all.
Him having actively pushed for privatisation of NHS services could be problem for him.Just need him to flip-flop on Iraq a few more times and he's golden.
Him having actively pushed for privatisation of NHS services could be problem for him.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/07/entirely-fake-owen-smith/
What do you think of his background?I like Owen Smith, to be honest.I think he could be a very good leader. Wouldn't mind seeing him get the job at all.
Him having actively pushed for privatisation of NHS services could be problem for him.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/07/entirely-fake-owen-smith/
I like the fact that he retains centre left policies, some very similar to those of Corybn, and also appears media savvy; potentially better quipped to face the inevitable media onslaught. I'll wait for the leadership debates before I form a solid opinion (and Corbyn has my support as of this moment), but I'm open to a new leader if someone competent and bipartisan enough presents him or herself.What do you think of his background?
Blairite scum.I'm open to a new leader if someone competent and bipartisan enough presents him or herself.
Blairite scum.
What do you think of his background though? He seems shifty as feck to me.I like the fact that he retains centre left policies, some very similar to those of Corybn, and also appears media savvy; potentially better quipped to face the inevitable media onslaught. I'll wait for the leadership debates before I form a solid opinion (and Corbyn has my support as of this moment), but I'm open to a new leader if someone competent and bipartisan enough presents him or herself.
Blairite scum.
He is shifty as feck. There's nothing wrong with the idea of a decent, viable Labour candidate to replace Corbyn. The problem is that there isn't one at the moment...and if Eagle or Smith are the best Corbyn's opponents have to offer, I don't exactly know what it is they're expecting to achieve.What do you think of his background though? He seems shifty as feck to me.
What specific part of his background are you referring to?What do you think of his background though? He seems shifty as feck to me.
Google got me this:Is there anything on his past from a credible journalist? By that I mean one that doesn't use the term "red Tory" in their writing.
Ex-lobbyist for Pfizer, known as "oily smith", the fact he's been planning this campaign since at least January for 3.What specific part of his background are you referring to?
Whoever we get if Corbyn is not reelected will be unsatisfactory. I just want the best of the worst.Ex-lobbyist for Pfizer, known as "oily smith", the fact he's been planning this campaign since at least January for 3.
At least someone knows she exists.There's a fathers4justice bloke protesting on the roof of Angela Eagle's office at the moment.
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Well he was one of the great welfare abstainers so he's certainly had a good go at that.
All we need now is for him to squash a few poor people and he'll be golden for the Labour gig.
No doubt if it comes to him vs Corbyn in a vote off, Corbyn will win by one vote due to Smith abstaining.Well he was one of the great welfare abstainers so he's certainly had a good go at that.
It depends what you are looking for I guess.Whoever we get if Corbyn is not reelected will be unsatisfactory. I just want the best of the worst.
It would also be futile because once we start the process that's it. It's out or re-apply.It depends what you are looking for I guess.
I'm trying to like the guy because he's a good speaker and he'd probably be a good campaigner but something seems off about him.
Also what do you think about his proposal to give the UK a vote on the Brexit deal? It seems like a good move on the face of things but would it not affect our ability to actually negotiate the deal if they know it can easily get rejected by the public?
I need to find out more about this because if hes just offering policies which sound nice but which would actually hinder us then I can't vote for him. I mean hed just be another Cameron who would sell the country's future for a year in office.It would also be futile because once we start the process that's it. It's out or re-apply.
At best my understanding is that is questionable and in practical terms probably not the case at allIt would also be futile because once we start the process that's it. It's out or re-apply.
Im also torn on that as he cant deliver on it. Then i thought okay perhaps itll actually put more pressure on May to call a GE if there's movement to Labour because of it.It depends what you are looking for I guess.
I'm trying to like the guy because he's a good speaker and he'd probably be a good campaigner but something seems off about him.
Also what do you think about his proposal to give the UK a vote on the Brexit deal? It seems like a good move on the face of things but would it not affect our ability to actually negotiate the deal if they know it can easily get rejected by the public?
Received today by email. It's disgraceful, it really is.So... The NEC try to keep JC off the ballot and fail. They then rule that the 130,000 new members can't vote. Unite and other unions say "join us and you can still vote". The NEC then rule that new union members can't vote either. In case the disenfranchised new union/labour party members want to raise their concerns (or worse, try to get their MPs deselected) at their next LP meeting - the NEC have ensured they won't be able until after the leadership contest is over, by imposing a ban on local party meetings until then.
In 1953 in East Germany there was an uprising against the Stasi-backed regime. Bertholt Brecht wrote a poem that finished with the lines:
Would it not be easier
In that case for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Lösung
Seems apt.
I love the justifying paragraph, with its vague reference to a "marked increase in reports of intimidation and threatening behaviour". If there's any intimidation or threatening behaviour from someone towards someone else, I consider that the remit of the police, not the NEC.Following this week's meeting of Labour's National Executive Committee, I can now confirm the full timetable for the Leadership Election, and the role you can play in it.
Because you are a party member who joined on or before 12 January, you are entitled to vote to decide who leads the Labour Party. You must keep your membership payments up-to-date or you will lose this right.
You can find the full timetable and details at labour.org.uk/leadership, but here are the key dates:
In recent months there has been a marked increase in reports of intimidation and threatening behaviour taking place at party meetings. Whilst the NEC recognises that the majority of our members hold vigorous yet collegiate meetings, the NEC has a duty of care for individuals who feel that their safety is threatened. It was therefore saddened to have to take the decision to suspend all normal party meetings at CLP and branch level until the completion of the leadership election.
- Monday 18 July at 7pm — Nominations open (MPs and MEPs)
- Thursday 21 July at Noon — Nominations close
- Friday 22 July — Hustings period begin
- Monday 8 August at Noon — Members must be fully paid up and in compliance to be eligible to vote
- Week beginning Monday 22 August — Ballots packs will begin to be despatched (you'll receive yours in the fortnight following)
- Wednesday 14 September — last date to request a reissue of your ballot
- Wednesday 21 September at Noon — Ballot closes
- Saturday 24 September — Special conference to announce result
However, in recognition that there is some essential business which must be agreed by CLPs, the NEC has made a number of exceptions to this suspension while this timetable is in place.
Meetings able to go ahead as agreed by the NEC include those:
Meetings which go ahead under these exceptions will not consider ordinary motions or other business, except as explicitly agreed by the Regional Director.
- Meetings solely for the purpose of making a supporting nomination in the leadership contest and for essential Annual Conference business
- Campaign planning meetings for by-elections or devolved mayor campaigns
- Any other meetings (Such as Executive Committee meetings) with the explicit permission of the Regional Director (General Secretary).
This means any CLP meeting already scheduled should be postponed until after the completion of the leadership election. This is with immediate effect.
You will receive ballot papers in the post, and electronically by email.
The election will be contested using a One Person One Vote system. For full details of the voting system, go to labour.org.uk/leadership.
Thank you for your support.
Iain
Iain McNicol
General Secretary of the Labour Party
ConspiracyOh hey, they're still treating me as a member pre-January, result.
I ticked the secret Blairite boxConspiracy
I ticked the secret Blairite box
The suspension of CLP meetings is just as bad. Its a ridiculous use of power and as you say its a police matter first and foremost, if they recommended the closure of certain events then fair enough. Why should peaceful CLPs be affected?Received today by email. It's disgraceful, it really is.
I love the justifying paragraph, with its vague reference to a "marked increase in reports of intimidation and threatening behaviour". If there's any intimidation or threatening behaviour from someone towards someone else, I consider that the remit of the police, not the NEC.
Indeed. Well put.Received today by email. It's disgraceful, it really is.
I love the justifying paragraph, with its vague reference to a "marked increase in reports of intimidation and threatening behaviour". If there's any intimidation or threatening behaviour from someone towards someone else, I consider that the remit of the police, not the NEC.