Spot on. People already have the wool over their eyes when it comes to Mourinho's actions.
Rummenigge: Some players may think about it in future, to join a club like this.
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What makes you say this? Because he went back home during a knee injury, which dozens of other players have done at various clubs?
Training with the reserve squad to regain fitness is not the issue, Bastien would have done that last year when recovering anyway. Being cast out to train with the first XI (when everyone is unfit) and having your locker moved away is something else entirely.
He's collecting his salary either way. He can be given the opportunity to fight for his place - that would be a good start FFS. If mourinho doesn't want to start him than fair play. But taking away his leadership and influence and wisdom to be there for younger talent just because LVG allowed him to go on a break last year is fecking terrible.
I don't get this wages issue. Young barely played squat for us and still collected his £100k+ salary. Di Maria was absolute cack and still collected his 250k salary, and would have continued to do so had PSG not swooped in.
Cheers mate but i meant what is the story between Mourinho and why he supposedly doesn't like Bastian, has there been any rumours on that situation that you know of?
But at the same time Rummenigge has got absolutely no idea about circumstances, it's been discussed a thousand times already that Schweinsteiger has been unfit last season and given how things rolled for him after this season - which is EC, marriage, honeymoon, absolutely no pre-season for him, it's hard to believe it hasn't worsened or at best the situation isn't the same as last season.
It's also been pointed out that Pep told his players that if they are overweight, they won't train with the main squad. Nasri was affected by it iirc. Nobody tries to crucify him for that.
It doesn't stop Rummenigge from talking shit though when he has absolutely no idea what's going on. What if Schweinsteiger is sent to reserves to gain fitness, lose weight, whatever the feck is in Mou's reason to send him there? It's been accepted as a gospel that Mou's a cnut and sent him down to reserves for no particular reason, not giving him a chance and all that and this narrative is repeated all the time. If he was asked about it, he should've refused to answer that like managers say that they won't speak about a player when he's not at their club. Instead he decided to have a dig at us.
It's fine if it's not evidently impacting your performances. It clearly was with Schweinsteiger because he could barely run and was knackered after about ten minutes. Your issue seems to be more with Wayne Rooney and Michael Carrick for some reason. It's not their fault Schweinsteiger has nothing left in the tank. I'd be stunned if he's still playing at the highest level in two years time.
He already showed poor fitness with us previously.
Forcing him to train with the reserves and clear out his locker is not on.
And I think some people here are touchy on any criticism of Mourinho.
That said, Rummenigge should have kept his thoughts to himself.
And I think some people here are touchy on any criticism of Mourinho.
That said, Rummenigge should have kept his thoughts to himself.
Means feck all coming from a Liverpool fan, to be fair. Any digs rivals can get in when it comes to Mourinho will be plentiful.
Why is it not on? Mourinho has told him from the start to find a new club and he's made no effort to do so, putting a guy you have no intention of playing among your squad when he clearly has an issue with you is stupid, he can get in the ears of other players.
This. Some in this thread are being deliberately obtuse.
Oh no. The man was injured last season and made the criminal mistake to get married. Lets drop him, make him train with the reserves and move away his locker. That'l teach the little cnut and would be a fantastic examples of how we treat big name players.
Pep made it quite clear its temporary with Nasri, for fitness purposes. Mourinho's treatment (which is more extensive) with Bastian isn't just down to that.
Given the agent has quite obviously looked at options for Bastien returning to Bayern, I think Rummenigge would know whats going on behind the scenes. Bastian hasn't gone to reserves to regain fitness, its quite obvious he's gone to reserves to be forced out the club entirely without a chance to fight his place.
How the feck do you know he's made no effort to do so?
Is Schweinsteiger the first player to be told he doesn't have a future at a club. Happens all the time without relegating a player to the reserves and telling him to clear out his locker.
That is if the stories are true.
@Bob Loblaw being a Liverpool fan had little to do with the post he made tbh.
This is the narrative I'm talking about. Overdramatising queen shit at it's best. He's unfit, been unfit, why would a player who is unfit play/train with other 22/23 pros who care about their fitness, are fit and perform their duties? What kind of example would it be? 'Oh, you don't have to care about your fitness, just do as you please and you'll train with the main squad anyway'? Is this the great role of Schweinsteiger we keep hearing about?
It's more extensive how? And how you know it's not for fitness purposes? Nobody knows the reasons, that's the fecking point, yet you cry like he's shackled him in reserves' locker.
Again, theorycrafting at it's finest, no real substance. 'Agent obviously looked for options for returning to Bayern'. You're his agent now? Wasn't Rummenigge talking about possible role for him after he retires? And no, again, it's not 'quite obvious' why he's been sent there, it's just you making shit up.
Bastian still has very close ties to us, so I wouldn't assume he has no idea. The tweet of Bastian's brother also implies a rude approach. I can see why you don't like Rummenigge making statements about Utd issues, but it's always been club policy to support our legends, and that's what he does.
I think that's exactly what we should be doing. Why should his prospect of playing be nil anyway? We don't know what injury problems, suspensions or lack of form will affect our midfield. I've no idea what fan expectation is, do you think people might stop going to matches if they expect to see Bastian but he doesn't play?
I'd quite like him to stay and I'd also quite like him to be a part of the first team plans. I really like Schweinsteiger.
At the same time I understand that the manager obviously doesn't feel that he is in his plans. My guess is that he's decided that he would prefer the player to leave and will try to force him out. What incentive is there for Schweinsteiger to leave if he's training amongst the first team and fans and media are putting pressure on the manager to play him? I'm not going to sit here and be a hypocrite over it because Sir Alex has forced players out in the past... players like Beckham, Keane and Van Nistelrooy who all had far more reason to feel aggrieved than Schweinsteiger does at present.
A dig at Mourinho? I think it kind of did. Typical that rival fans will be so quick to back Schweinsteiger in order to have a dig at Mourinho. That's what comes with the territory of hiring such a divisive character, I guess.
Oh look Rummenigge having an opinion on something that has nothing to do with him.
Hinting that players may not want to join Utd as well because of Bastian being moved on. Ya because every player that signs will worry about training with the reserves and having their locker moved when they are past it in the managers eyes. More like he is panicking that our financial abilty is a threat to Bayern and their carry on.
Also Gotze says hello.
Hinting that players may not want to join Utd as well because of Bastian being moved on. Ya because every player that signs will worry about training with the reserves and having their locker moved when they are past it in the managers eyes. More like he is panicking that our financial abilty is a threat to Bayern and their carry on.
Also Gotze says hello.
It's an absolute disgrace the way Schweinsteiger has been treated. Rummenigge is dead right. I mean, who's going to want to join a club only to train in the reserves for over £200k a week???? I think we should start a crowd funding to save Basti from this torture.
Rummenigge 
He'a just salty we can outgun them financially at any given time
He'a just salty we can outgun them financially at any given timeOf course it did. It's like saying when we take digs at Klopp on here (regularly) that it has nothing to do with him being Liverpool manager.
It's funny you make that point because you're making a show of yourself acting like you were there conducting fitness tests on Bastian over the last year
You don't know anymore than anyone else, him lacking commitment and fitness just fits your narrative even though there's no basis for it.
Yeah, like last season or something.It's funny you make that point because you're making a show of yourself acting like you were there conducting fitness tests on Bastian over the last year
You don't know anymore than anyone else, him lacking commitment and fitness just fits your narrative even though there's no basis for it.
Yeah because unfairly singling out a doctor who's just doing her job is exactly equivalent to just saying a player that he's not in your plans anymore. Well done logic. Mourinho was rightly criticized in the Carneiro saga by many here. But, how he has done sth. wrong here, I can't grip.
When? Are you judging fitness on what he looks like with our kit on him?
The articles out of Germany and the comments from his agent are that he wont leave, so no, I don't think he's been looking to move on. Also if Jose had been manager for say 3 seasons I don't think it would be an issue letting him train with the squad, but he's newer among these players than Schweini and you don't want the potential for being undermined in there when you are just getting to know your players.
Some of our stances never waivered.
I thought Mourinho was wrong with the Eva case, and even said it after he had been announced as our manager here.
I however think a manager is justified to get rid of a player he doesnt see fit, especially if he replaces him. I even backed Van Gaal on that, and didnt particularly like the man.
Are people confusing fitness with being injured?
No, it's just that when you take off the blindfold off your eyes and watch matches where he played, you'll see that he's usually been dead after aprox 30 minutes. Or did we force him to play with injuries now? Or being injured every now and then allows you to be able to run just for 45 minutes or so?
I could just call him lazy, your pick.
Why should the prospect of him playing be nil? I don't know... that's up to the manager I guess and judging by the whole point of this thread I can safely assume the prospect of him playing is zero... otherwise, what would you be complaining about?
Were you in favour of Mourinho? Personally I was sort of torn on the appointment... but what I am in favour of is a manager having the absolute right to decide which players he wants and which ones he doesn't.
I don't think fans will stop going... but I do understand that fans and media can put pressure on a manager to play certain players if there is no apparent reason as to why they are not playing. At least with what has happened, the cards are very much on the table. The player can leave if he chooses and other clubs will be aware of this. Fans will not have an unrealistic expectation that he might play for the first team when the manager doesn't want to play him.
Why would he move on? He's on crazy wages even though he's been largely poor and injured for half the time. He knows he won't get a deal like this anywhere other than China. Let's not pretend Bastian wants to stay because it's the right thing or he wants to fight for his place or whatever bullshit is being dreamt up to defend him here.
Pretentious holier-than-thou cnut can feck off.
What make you say Bastian doesn't care about his fitness? He tried to be fit for us, going on a break doesn't change that. Its common for players to do so.
Again, you're acting like he goes off on benders and gives F all to fitness. Which is hilarious because you then slate me for being presumptuous off the back of a shit load more smoke than what you're basing your assumptions on.
The multiple reports, tweets from his brother and Bayern CEO's words show there is more to it than just gaining fitness. All players had to train with reserves when unfit under LVG and only Valdes had an issue. To suggest its just for fitness purposes that Bastian has been dropped is daft. If that's the case, why has his locker been reportedly physically moved? Why are the BBC saying Mourinho wants to axe him?
If he wanted Bastian fit, he'd have given him minutes in pre-season. Not everyone is fit. Zlatan came back less fit than Bastian did FFS. He doesn't want him full stop, so he's demoted him for that and doesn't even want to see him fight for his place. Don't pretend its just for fitness reasons.
Coming from the guy who thinks Bastian doesn't care about being fit.
So you think its not plausible that off the back off BBC/Skysports confirming Schweinstiger faces an exit, that his agent hasn't been in touch with various clubs, such as his old one, to see if they want him back. Right.
Anyone can criticise mourinho tbf. Some of our own fans are displeased with some of his decisions already.
Its been the same in his last season for Bayern, and still you signed him.
I very much doubt a player of Basti's pedigree and professional pride will try and force himself on a manager by insisting on staying, when he's been told he has no future.
Absolutely. So when rival fans start already based on fecking Schweinsteiger, I won't hold them in high regard. I'm sure that poster is ever so worried about poor little Schweinsteiger and it's not just an excuse to have a pop at Mourinho. Please.
I never said any of those things though, whether he's refusing to budge due to money or pride is unknown, but my point was that if he refuses to do so then I see nothing wrong with the manager playing hardball.
He's been having digs at Mourinho long before we hired him
I wasn't actually disagreeing with your post! Just explaining why I think we shouldn't feel any sympathy towards him.