What did you expect him to say?
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What did you expect him to say?
No one here is saying that we could be managers. Just that the line-up from the start wasn't the right one.
Compliment City, focus on United's second-half performance, go down the bullish denial route, I don't know...just something that didn't make him come across as an ego-centric wanker. I don't think that's a lot to ask.
Mentioning that 2 or 3 specific players have disappointed him in public wasn't really clever. Lingaard and Mkhi certainly won't have their confidence boosted by this
Gotta take the good with the bad I suppose.
Don't think his interview was that bad. Found it interesting.
Depends how they react to it.
No. He wanted the ball to go wide.
1st station balls are from the CB to the CM.
We were supposed to be sending the ball CB to RB or LB, and then working the triangles with the midfield.
Ah, got ya.
He is an egocentric wanker. You seem to think this is a recent change in his personality. It's not. He called himself The Special One in his first season in the PL ffs.
We knew what we were getting with this bloke. Getting wound up about him reverting to type when the heat is on is a pointless waste of your time.
Their shitty performances will more than take of that for them.
Very few react positively on being made publically responsible
...What?
Oh I'm not remotely wound up. I'm perfectly happy for Mourinho to be at the club. I just fancied a bit of swearing!
I do think it's a recent change though. He was always an arrogant wanker but from what I recall he protected his players and one of his strengths was creating that "us against the world" siege mentality that Sir Alex specialised in. Now it's very much "me against the world".
Am I misremembering*? I'm sure that's what people said at the time but I'll be honest I don't pay much attention to the press conferences of other teams much so it might've been a load of nonsense. I just know that what Mourinho did with Hazard, Matic and co. last year was something I can't remember seeing any other manager do in England.
*google tells me that's not a word but if that's true, someone's gotta have a word with those folks in Oxford.
The only reason a lot of our fans were getting overly bullish about his appointment is the horror of the past three years. It's a bit like when in politics, people get very fed up with a party that they start inventing narratives for the opposite party to convince themselves that it is the perfectest answer to all problems. We knew he will set us up like a small team at home. We knew that if it worked, he will make take a dig about how his opponents are not as smart as him the way he did to LvG, Wenger and Pep and when it doesn't, he will blame the players for not carrying his hoof ball instructions. We also knew however that he has it in him to bully the smaller teams so I guess we have that to look forward to.
Game of two very different halves.
In the first, the changes appeared to open the rift between the static play under LVG and, Jose's pass and movement future. It spilled out with some players static or not moving very well and often looking like rabbits caught in the headlights. Once Jesse and Shaw wobbled the midfield crumbled as Mika found it difficult to adjust to the eb and flow of City's movement. Pogba looked isolated at times yet there were signs of some good movement up front. When the goal was scored we suddenly deflated. We looked finished with their second but then their goalie made a howler and Ibra opened the game up.
Second half Ander was all the difference. The energy and his biting play forced City back and Rashford brought threat to the pitch that was absent from the first half. Fellaini dug in and then we started to show our class. The penalties exposed more Ref inconsistencies and time now for the TV replay. They in the end made the difference because that goalie should have been off for the foul on Rooney. As City were reduced to fouling its clear they are not able to sustain their first half performance.
Rooney never gave up and showed a captain's performance for once. Ander easily man of our match. Fellaini showed his metal in a positive direction and deserves some accolades for his performance. Pogba is an excellent player but he's not the playmaker or change artiste many think he is.
Jesse and a host of players had a poor game and some looked exhausted from mid-week travel. That happens at this time of the season. Just dust themselves down and move on.
Jose took the blame for changing the squad and the gameplan. Fair enough but there had to be a blip, rather now than later. In the end the lads showed their metal and played the cavalier style in the second half the way we like. As for the Bitters feck em, its going to be a long season and we will be up there at the finish.
In the first, the changes appeared to open the rift between the static play under LVG and, Jose's pass and movement future. It spilled out with some players static or not moving very well and often looking like rabbits caught in the headlights. Once Jesse and Shaw wobbled the midfield crumbled as Mika found it difficult to adjust to the eb and flow of City's movement. Pogba looked isolated at times yet there were signs of some good movement up front. When the goal was scored we suddenly deflated. We looked finished with their second but then their goalie made a howler and Ibra opened the game up.
Second half Ander was all the difference. The energy and his biting play forced City back and Rashford brought threat to the pitch that was absent from the first half. Fellaini dug in and then we started to show our class. The penalties exposed more Ref inconsistencies and time now for the TV replay. They in the end made the difference because that goalie should have been off for the foul on Rooney. As City were reduced to fouling its clear they are not able to sustain their first half performance.
Rooney never gave up and showed a captain's performance for once. Ander easily man of our match. Fellaini showed his metal in a positive direction and deserves some accolades for his performance. Pogba is an excellent player but he's not the playmaker or change artiste many think he is.
Jesse and a host of players had a poor game and some looked exhausted from mid-week travel. That happens at this time of the season. Just dust themselves down and move on.
Jose took the blame for changing the squad and the gameplan. Fair enough but there had to be a blip, rather now than later. In the end the lads showed their metal and played the cavalier style in the second half the way we like. As for the Bitters feck em, its going to be a long season and we will be up there at the finish.
I think you're right. He was perfect at instilling that mentality up until his later years at Real. Maybe the criticism for his methods got to him I don't know but he definitely changed from the Mourinho of Porto, Chelsea and Inter.
Throws a lot of players under the bus here. For clarity, when you watch the whole post conferance the 'first station ball' makes sense. He didn't want our build up play starting from CB to CM but rather CB to wing because he knows guardiola's teams weaknesses. I just didn't like how he threw Bailey under the bus for that. These kind of details you talk to the player in person, not to the media.
The game and result wasn't too disappointing but Mourinho's handling of the loss is. I'm really curious to see how the players react
The game and result wasn't too disappointing but Mourinho's handling of the loss is. I'm really curious to see how the players react
I think that's all essentially true.
Although "hoof ball" is very harsh. Plenty of his teams have been decent going forwards. A damn sight better than we were today, that's for sure.
there are parts of the pitch where they are faster and more mobile, our undroppable no10 is no match for any of theirs particularly Silva. Fernandino is more mobile and quicker than Fellaini. Aguero is Aguero. Apart from that, we match them or surpass them everywhere else.
fecking hell. Your disappointment priorities are a bit odd!
There's also De Bruyne. Also I thought Stones and Otamendi did a lot to support City's efforts going forward. They look very comfortable on the ball.
The anti Mourinho brigade are loving this! 
Get a grip people, he is actually a very good manager.
Get a grip people, he is actually a very good manager.
He said the right thing, he should call out bad performances, but he wasn't so egocentric as not to admit his own faults. He clearly admits that he made the wrong selections. So I guess he threw himself under the bus?
Some players approached the game with naivety and sluggishness. Credit for the response though.
I agree but I do think it was usually thanks to the players at his disposal. What I mean is offensively, Mourinho teams are only as good as the players he has. Pep, Klopp, or even Pochettino among others work more on developing a team that moves and creates space better. The problem is over the past decade or so, that has become the norm. In the case of Barcelona, they had that tactical flexibility PLUS the individuals. We suffered from that tactical development under Fergie since he did not have enough time or couldn't in his later years get a team to play with that flexibility. At least with Fergie, his alpha personality made him go for it anyway even though it had some dire consequences at times. Mourinho is Fergie's tactical simplicity without the ego to play like a big team.
I wonder where do you see any love in this forum? All I see including myself is disappointment and frustration at what we could see coming. People reacted the same way I remember when we went to City under Fergie for that title decider and played a defensive game. At least back then we knew that it was out of character for the great man.The anti Mourinho brigade are loving this!
Get a grip people, he is actually a very good manager.
Yeah, but it came off the "I shouldn't have brought on these wankers" way. Also publically stating players weren't following his instructions is clearly an attempt of getting himself out of the line of fire.
While it might be true, it's not wise to do.
City played really well in that first half. Running rings around us. But we allowed them to settle into the game and then grow strong. 2-3 passes and they were in behind our midfield. They weren't playing long balls either. The three behind Zlatan couldn't retain the ball, Pogba was all over the place and Fellaini was being dragged around covering the wings.
City aren't Barcelona. They were extremely uncomfortable when we finally pushed on and got in their faces. Because at this point they are still at the early phase of getting in Pep's ideas. We should have attacked them at home. Make Sagna and Kolorov back-track. Martial would have done that. Rashford did do it. Speed causes problems but speed with skill is the formula and those two have it in abundance.
When we play them at the Etihad they will be further in their progress under Pep, the points will be crucial and they'll have home advantage. At this point we're both at the same point of development under our respective managers but we focused too much on their qualities. I can't help but think he over-complicated things because it was Pep.
City aren't Barcelona. They were extremely uncomfortable when we finally pushed on and got in their faces. Because at this point they are still at the early phase of getting in Pep's ideas. We should have attacked them at home. Make Sagna and Kolorov back-track. Martial would have done that. Rashford did do it. Speed causes problems but speed with skill is the formula and those two have it in abundance.
When we play them at the Etihad they will be further in their progress under Pep, the points will be crucial and they'll have home advantage. At this point we're both at the same point of development under our respective managers but we focused too much on their qualities. I can't help but think he over-complicated things because it was Pep.
Just read some of his post match comments and they're not bad - which I'm happy about. Seemed to accept any mistakes he's made and sounds like he's ready to move on - which is what I hoped to hear from him. Was secretly worried he'd start having some kind of 'meltdown'
Thinking about it - this loss may be a blessing in disguise - it gives Jose a better idea of the player's and their mentalities, and hopefully for him to also take a look at his formation/tactics so far. I'm sure he'll be looking to improve on all this hopefully!
Thinking about it - this loss may be a blessing in disguise - it gives Jose a better idea of the player's and their mentalities, and hopefully for him to also take a look at his formation/tactics so far. I'm sure he'll be looking to improve on all this hopefully!
As strange as this may sound, I'm glad today happened. That disgraceful first half display underlines that there is still plenty to be done.
I'm seeing many here hyping up City to no ends; that they're a level above us and all that. I just didn't see it. Sure, De Bruyne had a blinder but as far as I'm concerned, we just had too many players underperforming today (namely Pogba who I thought was positionally embarrassing). It happens and City capitalised on our ineptness.
Now going forward, Jose must ensure that not too many players simultaneously go missing on a given game in the future - it's not going to be easy but if there was going to be a better wake up call, it's losing against your cross-city and title rivals at home.
We'll be fine.
I'm seeing many here hyping up City to no ends; that they're a level above us and all that. I just didn't see it. Sure, De Bruyne had a blinder but as far as I'm concerned, we just had too many players underperforming today (namely Pogba who I thought was positionally embarrassing). It happens and City capitalised on our ineptness.
Now going forward, Jose must ensure that not too many players simultaneously go missing on a given game in the future - it's not going to be easy but if there was going to be a better wake up call, it's losing against your cross-city and title rivals at home.
We'll be fine.
I am disappointed he didnt say Mkhitaryan and Lingard had one of the best performances he ever saw in his life.
great summary
Oh come on, you surely can't call others tool just because they're criticizing some of the decisions the manager took in this game which he himself later admitted were wrong.
As long as it's free of obscenities and personal attacks, people should have the right to criticize the manager and players' performances. Otherwise what's the difference between RAWK and this place would be then if we're to say 'We've got Jose and it's all rosy' regardless of whether we win or lose or get humiliated.
This platform is for us to criticize (as well as applaud) the performances of individuals be it the manager or a player and in doing so no one is claiming himself a better player or manager than the person in question.
I liked his post match. Low key said a couple of players will be disappointed then said it was probably his fault for putting them in. Don't see him losing the dressing room over it.
The he blamed the ref,. <--- For a bit of deflection. Said it was better 2nd half. Which was a good job, or we'd have got battered (he didn't say that bit, obvs)
It's pretty honest overall, he wasn't over excited by it.
I think we should at least wait for him to meltdown properly before we start getting all fractious.
The he blamed the ref,
. <--- For a bit of deflection. Said it was better 2nd half. Which was a good job, or we'd have got battered (he didn't say that bit, obvs)It's pretty honest overall, he wasn't over excited by it.
I think we should at least wait for him to meltdown properly before we start getting all fractious.
Post match 1-6 against City. SAF didn't mention City one bit in his post match interview. He did mention himself as it being the worst result in his history, even as a player. Also name drops Rio and Evra for not defending more and our team lacking common sense when we were already heading into 1-3, 1-4.
sorry you are 100% correct, I forgot how good the fifa playing masses are.
you tool
Most of us in the cafe have no managerial know how but a majority of us laughed off at anyone suggesting Mikh should start in the derby after not starting the previous matches. I am sure most of us were surprised by his selection and same goes for Lingard, he has not played a single league game and starts the Manchester derby really. We could have coped with one of them being thrown inn but both was too much. I don't blame them for their performances at all. Mourinho should look at the man in the mirror.
He should have had more faith in Rashford and started him on the right or the left. Then he also let the guys play hoof the ball which rendered Matial and Rashford useless in the last 15 minutes, you get the best out of these two by letting them play one-two's around the box..........as for the rest of the team they sucked big time. But then what do I know I am just an arm chair manager.
He should have had more faith in Rashford and started him on the right or the left. Then he also let the guys play hoof the ball which rendered Matial and Rashford useless in the last 15 minutes, you get the best out of these two by letting them play one-two's around the box..........as for the rest of the team they sucked big time. But then what do I know I am just an arm chair manager.
Thought it was nice to see a manager admit he doesn't know the players well enough.
As fans we do because we've watched them week in week out for years. I've made this point before when certain posters use the manager knows best argument.
As fans we do because we've watched them week in week out for years. I've made this point before when certain posters use the manager knows best argument.
Of course not. We make the best of what we have. I personally never wanted him to begin with but sacking another manager is going to bring more harm than good at this stage. Some of us are just venting out of frustration especially when a lot of what happened today could have been foreseen long ago when we knew he was coming.