He going to defend his squad but Bravo should have saved two of those today.
Manchester City under Pep Guardiola | Pep on City v Liverpool ref: "He likes to be special"
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No chance of that even if they have a complete collapse. They spent years recruiting him.
@Dwazza missing about half your stash?
Their players don't seem 100% behind him. He's a dickhead and quite a few of them probably don't like him already. The mistrust is growing.
Be interesting to see how many mistakes Stones has made that has led to a goal / goal scoring opportunity while on the ball..
Must be top of the league for that.
Must be top of the league for that.
There are too many extreme stances in here. Guardiola is a top manager, not God's gift to football but also not just a product of his players, just a really good manager.
Part of the reason for that is Guardiola comes with a football philosophy. There's probably some expectation that given time, he'll get Manchester City playing the way he wants them to.
Mourinho's philosophy is to park the bus and doesn't come with any known footballing style. When he gets bad results, it's easier to jump on him. That doesn't mean that the media are correct. It's just that it's not immediately obvious what the long term plan is.
The only reason they were ignored was that they did just enough to get the goals/penalties to secure the three points. If our draws had been wins, Mourinho would be getting the plaudits. But at least we're playing better than the Berties at the moment,
Not true. But you are probably correct in the sense that it's the narrative perpetrated by the talking heads.
Pep will come good I think, but his arrogance will be a huge stumbling block for him. What's worrying for them though is that they started well and now are going downhill. Is it the tactics? Or the players?
The opposite is true for us except we just aren't getting the results.
The opposite is true for us except we just aren't getting the results.
Bravo is absolutely shocking, even our number 2 is miles better
He's really underestimated the premier league, turning up at the champions and within a few minutes of the game having a high line and being so exposed at the back was asking for trouble
Teams may have stood off him in the Bundesliga but in the premier league they will soak up the pressure, play it direct and cut you open
Getting rid of Hart, an experienced player in this league, and replacing him with a newcomer has backfired too
Teams may have stood off him in the Bundesliga but in the premier league they will soak up the pressure, play it direct and cut you open
Getting rid of Hart, an experienced player in this league, and replacing him with a newcomer has backfired too
Because that seems to be the clear pattern of his career so far. And I'm pretty sure he's stated that 3 years is the optimum time for him to stay on any one 'project'.
I suspect he's been lined up for the Qatar job ahead of the World Cup there.
He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy.
Be interesting to see if he can turn this around. City look lacklustre these days.
Still think he will come good. City have an aging squad with not enough threat when Aguero isn't playing + terrible defenders - which people mentioned would be an issue for him. It will take time. All this 'fraud' stuff is pretty strange seeing as we haven't even reached half way through his first season yet.
City's form over their last 15 matches- 4W-6D-5L
Getting rid of Hart probably was the right decision, however Bravo wasn't the right goalkeeper to bring in. Hart has made a couple of mistakes in Serie A too.
I doubt they would sack him if he didnt make a Champions league spot.
That midfield was unreal and it was nearly impossible to get the ball from them. Spain had quality all over the because of their quality academies. I think that Barcelona defense in any other club team would be found out. I accept your point about the whole team pressing well because of coaching. I'm not saying he's a bad coach but I do think he's slightly over rated. This is his greatest test anyway. He has unlimited resources like all the big clubs so if he truly makes that big of a difference then city will become a massive force. I'm just not seeing that yet.
Hope the Pep fanboys and fangirls are alright.
People still going to argue bravo is better than Hart?
Me too. he'll be fine soon as he starts playing fc bratwurst and signs messi
Pep bravo or stones who's the biggest fraud?
Basically the process is that Pep needs to buy a whole new defence at the very least. He's a chequebook manager like almost everyone else.
Didn't Xabi Alonso say something similar recently, that they don't train in tackling in Spain, or words to that effect?
I said it in the summer, when he was at Barca he took over the best team in the world, as did he at Bayern. This is a real test for him, and it's not looking to good atm.
Easily our worst performance and while I didn't blame Pep for previous losses today is firmly down to his tactical choice.
Chelsea was a case of us not putting them away and imploding, this was the first time we've been beaten soundly purely for tactical reasons.
So naive and without Fernandinho our whole gameplan is nothing. If we play the same against Arsenal without Fern we're going to get a hiding. The closest I can put today attacking wise is LVG's United but at least they could defend.
We've been struggling for form but today was the first time we've been shown to have hit rock bottom. No belief in our team going forward and our defence were like rabbits in the headlights.
Pep said he had to abandon the high press already because of the english game but refuses to leave more than 2 players in our own half against a pacey Leicester team. 2 man defence with no press on the guy belting the ball forward to the league fastest front line was asking for disaster.
KDB, Gundo and Silva looked completely at sea and imho one of them has to go. Our start to the season was strong because we played only 2 of those and 2 actual wide players. Having Silva or KDB outwide slow us down.
At the seasons start we played something like
------Fern----Silva----
Sterling---KDB---Nolito
--------Aguero--------
Width, creativity and pace and a nice midfield blend.
Than Gundo came in and it became
------Fern--Gundo---
Sterling--KDB---Silva
---------Kun--------
which was ok but than it became
----------Fern----------
Sterling-KdB-Gundo-Silva
---------Aguero--------
and we stated to find it harder but did roughly ok.
today was a similar approach and we simply weren't good enough and played into Leicesters hands.
---------Fern2--------
Navas-Silva-Gundo-KDB
------Iheanacho-------
I'm not awfully worried quite yet but I hope Pep is either going to reinstate the high press or play a deeper line and less risky game against the faster teams.
Chelsea was a case of us not putting them away and imploding, this was the first time we've been beaten soundly purely for tactical reasons.
So naive and without Fernandinho our whole gameplan is nothing. If we play the same against Arsenal without Fern we're going to get a hiding. The closest I can put today attacking wise is LVG's United but at least they could defend.
We've been struggling for form but today was the first time we've been shown to have hit rock bottom. No belief in our team going forward and our defence were like rabbits in the headlights.
Pep said he had to abandon the high press already because of the english game but refuses to leave more than 2 players in our own half against a pacey Leicester team. 2 man defence with no press on the guy belting the ball forward to the league fastest front line was asking for disaster.
KDB, Gundo and Silva looked completely at sea and imho one of them has to go. Our start to the season was strong because we played only 2 of those and 2 actual wide players. Having Silva or KDB outwide slow us down.
At the seasons start we played something like
------Fern----Silva----
Sterling---KDB---Nolito
--------Aguero--------
Width, creativity and pace and a nice midfield blend.
Than Gundo came in and it became
------Fern--Gundo---
Sterling--KDB---Silva
---------Kun--------
which was ok but than it became
----------Fern----------
Sterling-KdB-Gundo-Silva
---------Aguero--------
and we stated to find it harder but did roughly ok.
today was a similar approach and we simply weren't good enough and played into Leicesters hands.
---------Fern2--------
Navas-Silva-Gundo-KDB
------Iheanacho-------
I'm not awfully worried quite yet but I hope Pep is either going to reinstate the high press or play a deeper line and less risky game against the faster teams.
Said it a while ago. He was praising Carrick.
"I remember reading an interview with a player from Liverpool's academy. 'What are your strengths?' 'My strength is tackling.' That hurts me. As a midfielder it hurts. I love a good tackle - but it shouldn't be your strength."
Said that tackling is not a skill, it's a last resort approach once you're out of position. So basically having to tackle means that you're out of position
I think Maldini once said something similar.
I think i remember this too. Now i'm confused if what i said is Alonso's or Maldini's quote
That would explain why people can pick up the ball 50 yards from goal and run right through us.
Maldini said: "If I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake."
He took over two amazing squads which it would have been criminal to have success with. Yes, what he achieved with Barcelona was exceptional, but I think Messi made a lot of that possible.
City is a huge task, I just hope to god he falls flat on his face.
City is a huge task, I just hope to god he falls flat on his face.
He's fast becoming the worst kind of manager and football coach, not admitting anything he possibly did wrong, keps bangin on it was all all right. I don't know if he was like that in Bayern, haven't kept track but he comes across as very arrogant. Yet only our manager gets the flak for being arrogant.
Process. Where have I heard that word before?