Goal scoring is a serious problem.

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For me it's all down to Mourinho, his unwillingness to replace Ibrahimovic occasionally and to constantly meddle with the two wing positions.

I'm not sure converting our best finisher last season into a full time wide player was the smartest decision either. I think he's really knocked the confidence out of Rashford and put a lot of unfair pressure on him.
Ibrahimovic has produces 13 goals and 4 assists in his last 14 games in all comps.. Plus he did score a crucial goal against Liverpool in the dying minutes. I am pretty sure also that most of his goals do come at the last 15 minutes of games, well at least 50% surely.

Although, I don't see why every other game we could start rather and have Ibra come on for the last 20 minutes as he is so good at scoring at the end of games.
 

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Maybe the reason is that Ibra doesn't help in the general game play for United like Costa, Firminho, Sanchez or Kane do.
 

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I find it confusing that when we had Berbatov, scoring loads of goals for a title winning side all we did was moan about him not being good enough, now we have a slower player scoring less goals for a 6th placed team but everyone is like.....'but it's Zlatan!'
 

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Need to get Griezmann and 1 more goal scoring forward end of the season. Don't care who will be sitting out. These kind of games dominating oppositions and missing chances is getting infuriating. Kind of like van gaal possession games. At first it was like wow! 75% possession in anfield then it just gets frustrating.
 

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Beginning to think we were cursed this season until I had a think about things. When you look at the numbers you cant help but feel this is more than bad luck. Well it is, it is bad finishing. Shooting is complete shite under pressure and sometimes its a bit of bad luck. Thats all it is.

Ibras chance when taking it on chest instead of first time = Poor
Ibras pass instead of shooting = Poor
Matas finish = element of bad luck
Mikis effort = poor technique, I don't think he could have leaned back any further.
Pogbas effort = Unlucky it was straight at the keeper
Lingards shot = Unlucky but maybe should be on target from that position nevertheless
Rashford shot = Poor should be on target
Rooneys header = Meh, ball was a bit behind him but expect better. 1/2 chance
Mikis weak shot = Poor

So by my reckoning that's ten really good goalscoring oppportunities from variety of players.
We got 2 on target. So yes goal scoring is a problem.
 

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Pogba: 72 shots, 4 goals

Rashford: 20 shots, 3 goals
Martial: 19 shots, 2 goals
Mkhitayran: 19 shots, 2 goals

If a bunch of those shots of Pogba were instead channelled into opening up a shooting chance for Rashford, Martial and Mhkitaryan then that would be playing the percentages better.

Regarding free kicks (and corners) this seniority issue of who takes them needs to be replaced by them competing for the role in training that week.
Completely agree. Pogba seems to have too much license to do anything he wants. He doesn't pass with urgency to anyone except Zlatan.

It's as if we are waiting for him to mature into a decisive player to become a top team. Meanwhile, Mkhitaryan and Mata, both better goal-scorers and at the peak of their careers, have more peripheral roles in dictating play.

This, in my opinion, has to change. It's Mkhitaryan who should be undroppable, not Pogba. And if goal-scoring is proving to be a problem, playing Mata over Pogba also makes sense, although it's Fellaini who shouldn't be playing in that case.
 
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I find it confusing that when we had Berbatov, scoring loads of goals for a title winning side all we did was moan about him not being good enough, now we have a slower player scoring less goals for a 6th placed team but everyone is like.....'but it's Zlatan!'
Berbativs best season for united yielded 21 goals, 5 of those in 1 game, 3 in another.
Ibra has 17 or 18? so far, spread out.

So I don't agree with your point

If you can't see how ibra makes this team and squad tick then there's no hope..
 

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Berbativs best season for united yielded 21 goals, 5 of those in 1 game, 3 in another.
Ibra has 17 or 18? so far, spread out.

So I don't agree with your point

If you can't see how ibra makes this team and squad tick then there's no hope..
Well there's probably no hope of us winning the title or even getting a top four with Ibra leading the line for us either, this season or even next. He's been great for us there's no disputing that especially given his age, but if we're going to get back to the top where we want to be, we'll need someone who doesn't need so many chances to score, more mobile and not at the tail end of his career as our main striker. It's just my opinion, nothing hopeless about it because it doesn't fit with yours
 

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We have a left winger with no support from LB and a RB with no right winger.

That's a big part of the problem.
 

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Beginning to think we were cursed this season until I had a think about things. When you look at the numbers you cant help but feel this is more than bad luck. Well it is, it is bad finishing. Shooting is complete shite under pressure and sometimes its a bit of bad luck. Thats all it is.

Ibras chance when taking it on chest instead of first time = Poor
Ibras pass instead of shooting = Poor
Matas finish = element of bad luck
Mikis effort = poor technique, I don't think he could have leaned back any further.
Pogbas effort = Unlucky it was straight at the keeper
Lingards shot = Unlucky but maybe should be on target from that position nevertheless
Rashford shot = Poor should be on target
Rooneys header = Meh, ball was a bit behind him but expect better. 1/2 chance
Mikis weak shot = Poor

So by my reckoning that's ten really good goalscoring oppportunities from variety of players.
We got 2 on target. So yes goal scoring is a problem.
Then you come to our goal, a ridiculous hit from a hard angle, miles out
 

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Well there's probably no hope of us winning the title or even getting a top four with Ibra leading the line for us either, this season or even next. He's been great for us there's no disputing that especially given his age, but if we're going to get back to the top where we want to be, we'll need someone who doesn't need so many chances to score, more mobile and not at the tail end of his career as our main striker. It's just my opinion, nothing hopeless about it because it doesn't fit with yours
I think this is a false assumption but just my opinion. If you don't count his unfortunate period during 6-7 matches (october) he has been pretty good at scoring. Basically one chance and one goal. The reason he his conversion rate is not as good as other strikers is that he takes shots from very different and difficult angles. He has come back from illness so he might still not be 100 percent fit and Ibra usually needs a couple of games until he's in top form - played two games now after a short break so he'll most likely (hopefully) be really good next game.

The only thing you can say is against him is his speed and age, things he can't do anything about. So you think that even if Mourinho gets a couple of reinforcements the team can still not win if Ibra is starting man? If Ibra is this good with a play that has a lot of mistakes (from both him and his teammates) think of what better he'll become if better players are in the starting 11.

I think that if he hasn't "deteriorated" til this age (more than speed) then I think that nothing else will get worse if he continues to take care of his body in the same way he's done. The only thing that's important is his focus and hunger but I don't see this as something lacking when we talk of Ibra - if he stays he knows he's still "got it" and he really wants a first place and would like to bring back the club to it's rightful place at the top.
 

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Then you come to our goal, a ridiculous hit from a hard angle, miles out
Exactly, enough to make you pull your hair out. Miss nailed on chances then score from a position you have no right to score from. You have ones claiming it was a cross. I think frim his set up and the way he hit it, it was clearly an attempt on goal.

Are we getting enough goals from set pieces? Bar yesterdays i cant think of too many this season. Coukd be another reason for poor return on that front.
 

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Mourinho will just replace the players with ones that will, simple as that. You can see if someone pisses him off hes out. Martial for example, not only left out the team but out of the squad. I reckon its 60/40 whether hes here next season, especially if we bring in another striker or 2. Griezmann has been mentioned, and the young kid from Ajax, Dolberg. Add to the fact he will strengthen midfield and probably RW some players will have to shape up or ship out.
 

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Mourinho will just replace the players with ones that will, simple as that. You can see if someone pisses him off hes out. Martial for example, not only left out the team but out of the squad. I reckon its 60/40 whether hes here next season, especially if we bring in another striker or 2. Griezmann has been mentioned, and the young kid from Ajax, Dolberg. Add to the fact he will strengthen midfield and probably RW some players will have to shape up or ship out.
But Mourinho is crazy in his decisions

I think a major problem is he shoehorned Ibra and Pogba in the team and he refuses to look at any other options that could work. Ibra and Pogba are the most wastefull players in the entire squad this season in terms of missing big chances yet he keeps them on the field no matter what. Both of them play in the positions that are responsible for creating chances and scoring goals.Another example is he persists with playing Herrera in the midfield while he hasn't scored a goal this season and provided very little assists. Using Rooney and Lingard as preferred sub over Martial is also something that doesn't sit well with me. Nor is the fact he keeps playing Rashford on the wing whilst the guy is a clear central striker.

We should be playing like this imo:

-------------CM-----Pogba---------
Mkhitaryan----Mata/Rooney--------Martial
------------Ibra/Rashford----------

For CM he should be experimenting with Herrera, Fellaini and TFM to see who partners best with Pogba

Pogba needs to be as a central midfielder and not as a 10. The formation should have space for either a real 10 or a second striker to partner Ibra/Rashford (currently Mata and rooney)

I'am ok with Ibra playing as first choice for the striker but when he is not playing well Mourinho should have the balls to drop him and play Rashford. They should be in competition for the same spot.

For the wings just trust the quality of Mkhitaryan and Martial and let them play themself into good form. We all know their quality just trust in it instead of jerking them around, especially with Martial it is a cardinal sin how he has been treating him. Lingard can be used for rotation aswell as Rashford (but not his primary position).

Next year you build on that and move out Rooney, Fellaini and get Griezmann and a good CM (for example Naingolan)

And you play like this:

----------Naingolan----Pogba----------
Mkhitaryan-----Griezmann-----Martial
----------------Ibra/Rashford------------

Add a proper footballing CB to partner Bailly and sort out our problems on leftback and you have a very balanced team with top notch quality.

But Mourinho is fecking us up with his 3 man midfield bullshit and putting far too much trust in Pogba and Ibra to sort out everything in attack.
 

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Not being able to score early or even in the first half in most games is hurting us.

I don't know if it has anything to do with just our finishing being bad.

Wonder if there is any stats of chances creating for each half of the game overall to see what it is like.
 

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I think a major problem is he shoehorned Ibra and Pogba in the team and he refuses to look at any other options that could work. Ibra and Pogba are the most wastefull players in the entire squad this season in terms of missing big chances yet he keeps them on the field no matter what. Both of them play in the positions that are responsible for creating chances and scoring goals.Another example is he persists with playing Herrera in the midfield while he hasn't scored a goal this season and provided very little assists. Using Rooney and Lingard as preferred sub over Martial is also something that doesn't sit well with me. Nor is the fact he keeps playing Rashford on the wing whilst the guy is a clear central striker.
They are creating chances to be fair, it's just that the ball somehow doesn't go into the goal sometimes. Either the ball hits the post or a goalkeeper stops it. Especially Pogba's shots on target either hits the post or it gets saved at close range. But as you saw the own goal, others teams get lucky and get goals.
 

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Next year you build on that and move out Rooney, Fellaini and get Griezmann and a good CM (for example Naingolan)

And you play like this:

----------Naingolan----Pogba----------
Mkhitaryan-----Griezmann-----Martial
----------------Ibra/Rashford------------

Add a proper footballing CB to partner Bailly and sort out our problems on leftback and you have a very balanced team with top notch quality.

But Mourinho is fecking us up with his 3 man midfield bullshit and putting far too much trust in Pogba and Ibra to sort out everything in attack.
I do think that if we get Griezmann then Jose will revert back to a 2 man midfield similar to your line up above. Where that will leave Herrera mind i'm unsure.
 

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Pogba: 72 shots, 4 goals

Rashford: 20 shots, 3 goals
Martial: 19 shots, 2 goals
Mkhitayran: 19 shots, 2 goals

If a bunch of those shots of Pogba were instead channelled into opening up a shooting chance for Rashford, Martial and Mhkitaryan then that would be playing the percentages better.

Regarding free kicks (and corners) this seniority issue of who takes them needs to be replaced by them competing for the role in training that week.
I agree with this so much, it's why I think we should focus our attack more around Martial instead of Ibra and Pogba. Right now Pogba is missing too many chances, taking wild shots sometimes, he needs to pass up and wait for his opportunities to score.

We're not dropping out of the top 6 because of our sheer quality alone and being 5 points ahead. But we also don't know if we can move up into the top 4 because we're missing too many chances! Build the attack around Martial, often last season he would cut in and assist a bunch as well, so it wasn't like hes going to be taking random wild shots at all, Ibra will see a fair bit of the ball still and since Martial can actually run, our attack might actually be more fluid as well.
 
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Watching our games, I feel like we are feckin' excellent at hitting defenders with our shots. Is there a blocked shots statistic? 'Cos I'd bet good money we're at the top of that list...

We manage to hit opposition players with our shots on such a regular basis, and yet we score very few deflected goals... so basically, we're doing it wrong.
 

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Beginning to think we were cursed this season until I had a think about things. When you look at the numbers you cant help but feel this is more than bad luck. Well it is, it is bad finishing. Shooting is complete shite under pressure and sometimes its a bit of bad luck. Thats all it is.

Ibras chance when taking it on chest instead of first time = Poor
Ibras pass instead of shooting = Poor
Matas finish = element of bad luck
Mikis effort = poor technique, I don't think he could have leaned back any further.
Pogbas effort = Unlucky it was straight at the keeper
Lingards shot = Unlucky but maybe should be on target from that position nevertheless
Rashford shot = Poor should be on target
Rooneys header = Meh, ball was a bit behind him but expect better. 1/2 chance
Mikis weak shot = Poor

So by my reckoning that's ten really good goalscoring oppportunities from variety of players.
We got 2 on target. So yes goal scoring is a problem.
Letting Mata out of jail for that absolute horrific miss is quite a thing.
Apart from that I agree. Although you forgot Herrera's ridiculous long range efforts that slowly start to piss me off.
 
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Beginning to think we were cursed this season until I had a think about things. When you look at the numbers you cant help but feel this is more than bad luck. Well it is, it is bad finishing. Shooting is complete shite under pressure and sometimes its a bit of bad luck. Thats all it is.

Ibras chance when taking it on chest instead of first time = Poor
Ibras pass instead of shooting = Poor
Matas finish = element of bad luck
Mikis effort = poor technique, I don't think he could have leaned back any further.
Pogbas effort = Unlucky it was straight at the keeper
Lingards shot = Unlucky but maybe should be on target from that position nevertheless
Rashford shot = Poor should be on target
Rooneys header = Meh, ball was a bit behind him but expect better. 1/2 chance
Mikis weak shot = Poor

So by my reckoning that's ten really good goalscoring oppportunities from variety of players.
We got 2 on target. So yes goal scoring is a problem.
Zlatan gets poor x2, Mata misses an open net = bad luck

:lol:
 

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In a nutshell. We just arent finishing. I include Zlatan in this.... 2 clear blown chances v Stoke which I can only put down to his age. Too slow to bury those.... Costa would have, Solkjaer would have, even Defoe.

Confidence, bad luck, bad decision making, lack of class. Whatever it is we just aren't doing it and if the players can't sort it out then there will be new recruits in the Summer who can.
 

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Does Sky include penalty shots in their clear cut chances, similar to Opta including pen shots in their big chances?

If so, no wonder that United's CCC conversion rate is worse compared to those teams which had a couple of pennos and converted them.
 

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In a nutshell. We just arent finishing. I include Zlatan in this.... 2 clear blown chances v Stoke which I can only put down to his age. Too slow to bury those.... Costa would have, Solkjaer would have, even Defoe.

Confidence, bad luck, bad decision making, lack of class. Whatever it is we just aren't doing it and if the players can't sort it out then there will be new recruits in the Summer who can.
I don't even think we can use the bad luck excuse anymore. We are getting tons of ball in the opposition 18 yard box, players are shanking them left, right and centre, or hitting them down the throat of the keeper. Missing open goals!

That's not luck. Its just poor.
 

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It's a big problem but I'm hoping Pogba and Mkhitaryan can both hit double figures next season, the way Giggs and Scholes used to offer us 10 or more goals from midfield. Especially if we give Pogba set-pieces.

Martial and Rashford should also improve on their output with age and experience.

Our goals from set pieces can improve. Vidic used to chip in with a few etc.

I've seen the arguements for and against Griezmann in his thread but hopefully he would solve this awful conversion rate we currently have.
 

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After all these games, it is not poor luck anymore but inability to convert chances. Simple as that
 

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We're lacking in urgency still, which is key to scoring when teams are behind the ball in their own half, which is where we find ourselves a lot of the time. Obviously we've improved a lot in this regard but it still needs to be upped a bit imo.

That and the below..

We have a left winger with no support from LB and a RB with no right winger.

That's a big part of the problem.
We don't really have a left winger. Martial is the closest we have but has only been decent for a few games. We probably finally have a right winger in Mhki.

Agree that the fullback support must be playing a major part too. Nothing on the left, and even Valencia isn't that great at setting anything up aside from a throw in or a corner, but he's probably the best we can hope for and not a priority.

Need to get Griezmann and 1 more goal scoring forward end of the season. Don't care who will be sitting out.
Got to agree. We need to up the quality as Martial might be two seasons off finding consistency for all we know. Zlatan won't be around much longer than two seasons so it's not like there isn't space for him.
 

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Might have been mentioned already but I read an incredible stat earlier. In our 6 games against Stoke, Burnley, Middlesbrough, Hull and Watford so far this season we've had 163 shots and scored only 6 goals (1 goal every 27.2 shots) and dropping 9 points in the process.
 

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Our biggest problem is that we don't have any reliable goalscorer after Zlatan.

I've said this in the newbie forum that any team that aspire to play 4-3-3 will need goal scorers in the front 3. You can't have someone playing as a wide foward regularly who can't score 15-20+. The wide foward's job is not to create but to score. They shouldn't even track back. At least not both at the same time. It's position of a striker who can play outwide or a winger who can play as a centre foward. Playing players like Ozil, Mata, Silva, 2010 Valencia etc will not help because they can't consistently score from wide. At least not at the required level

Now who do we have I'm our front 3 capable of reaching those numbers? Martial, Rashford, Zlatan. Still undecided on Mikhi.

The above choice of places is based on last season not this one. My opinion on Mata is that he is a midfielder who should play as a midfielder.
Complaining about Defenders not scoring during conerkicks isn't going to help. I'm not saying they should be absolved but we shouldn't go into games with that as one of our main hopes of getting a goal.

They question now is do we have the right personel to play 4-3-3? Well I'll give Rashford and Martial a chance and decide from there. If no improvement then change to 442 or 4231 until we get a 20 goals wide foward.
 
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I'm particularly mystified by Zlatan,if we have 50 corners and 30 free kicks he doesn't ever connect with, much less score any. He's actually the last person I expect to score aerial balls,especially set pieces
He has said himself that his biggest weakness is heading, so it's hardly surprising. It's frustrating sometimes when he should head it, he tries to take it down instead or just heads it towards another player instead of on goal.
 

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Might have been mentioned already but I read an incredible stat earlier. In our 6 games against Stoke, Burnley, Middlesbrough, Hull and Watford so far this season we've had 163 shots and scored only 6 goals (1 goal every 27.2 shots) and dropping 9 points in the process.
you sure about that stat? I know we've been shy on goal, rediculously so, and how i'd love to have RVN in our squad now. But I really don't recall us having an 27 shots per game all that regularly.
 

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you sure about that stat? I know we've been shy on goal, rediculously so, and how i'd love to have RVN in our squad now. But I really don't recall us having an 27 shots per game all that regularly.
Yeah, I meant to put a little disclaimer saying I hadn't fact-checked the stats, it was just in an article I read.
 

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Also our freaking set pieces. Are we even practicing corners? We had Smalling, Pogba, Ibrahimovic and Fellaini in the side against Stoke. How can we be so incompetent at corners with those giants in the side? It's quite ridiculous. Look at Ramos ffs. The guy is half as tall as those mentioned and seems to score from a corner very freaking weekend.
 

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Yeah, I meant to put a little disclaimer saying I hadn't fact-checked the stats, it was just in an article I read.
could very well be right, just seemed a little stretched. I know you get the odd match where a team has 20odd shots on goal and only score 1 or so - but I was just surprised we had that in 6 matches.

Either way, we're still got banging them in are we
 

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We dont get enough men in the box .
This means we dont get many scruffy goals.
When we carve teams open with thru balls , we only have 1 runner ( ander sets up mkhi v liverpool )
Having another player running , gives their keeper much more to do decision wise & the chances of us scoring increase massively.
 

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Zlatan gets poor x2, Mata misses an open net = bad luck

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Matas was poor but the bad luck element is the ball bouncing. Should have scored bit as ive said, the ball was bobbling. They are more awkward than they seem and he wasnt the first or wont be the last to get caught out like that