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Yes. We know this. We know the Super Bowl wasn't decided on the toss of coin. But the toss gives one team an advantage. That's all we're saying. It seems a crazy way to decide such a major sporting event.
Not necessarily. The team who gets the ball in the 1st quarter for example doesn't have an advantage. In fact, teams routinely elect to kick and then receive in the 2nd half.
 

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Its completely fair when you consider all participants know the rules going into the game. It may seem a bit odd to someone just learning the rules from the outside. The Falcons had plenty of chances to thwart the Pats from scoring their final two TDs and preventing the game from even reaching OT, but they couldn't do it. So they were forced into a situation where the rules of OT were in play and it cost them. There's nothing unfair about it when both teams and all viewers know the rules going in.
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Not necessarily. The team who gets the ball in the 1st quarter for example doesn't have an advantage. In fact, teams routinely elect to kick and then receive in the 2nd half.
If you score a TD in the 1Q, the game doesn't end either.

It may seem a bit odd to someone just learning the rules from the outside
It's odd... and I get paid to coach the sport.
 

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Its completely fair when you consider all participants know the rules going into the game. It may seem a bit odd to someone just learning the rules from the outside. The Falcons had plenty of chances to thwart the Pats from scoring their final two TDs and preventing the game from even reaching OT, but they couldn't do it. So they were forced into a situation where the rules of OT were in play and it cost them. There's nothing unfair about it when both teams and all viewers know the rules going in.
Dont get me wrong, I know the rules are set. I know the players know the rules are set.
Thats not whats being argued.
What im saying is, I dont agree with it and it should be more like college football

Not necessarily. The team who gets the ball in the 1st quarter for example doesn't have an advantage. In fact, teams routinely elect to kick and then receive in the 2nd half.
Thats because.... both teams end up having a possession as a result
 

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I'm off to bed but I will leave you lot with this little gem. What a night.

 

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Its just pretty bizarre that people are questioning the rules as if they were just discovered this evening.
 

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QB at this level is much more about how you use your brain than sheer athletcism. That's how you get guys like Peyton Manning who are successful even though they are horrible athletes compared to other positions, which are usually dominated by black guys.
 

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QB at this level is much more about how you use your brain than sheer athletcism. That's how you get guys like Peyton Manning who are successful even though they are horrible athletes compared to other positions, which are usually dominated by black guys.
Dude... you're saying that black guys can't think well enough to play NFL quarterback.
 

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Ha! Hell, the 90s Cowboys had half their team strung out on coke and banging hookers in the "white house" near Valley Ranch. I'll take a few mavericks on my team if they're helping win championships! No murders please.
Jim kelly built a club in his basement for players and select others to avoid "public incidents"
 

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QB at this level is much more about how you use your brain than sheer athletcism. That's how you get guys like Peyton Manning who are successful even though they are horrible athletes compared to other positions, which are usually dominated by black guys.
:lol:
 

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It's definitely an advantage to coin toss winning team but hey it's not new and I do enjoy it when I'm not rooting for either team.

Also, this choke job hopefully takes some heat off that bloody Butler interception.

QB at this level is much more about how you use your brain than sheer athletcism. That's how you get guys like Peyton Manning who are successful even though they are horrible athletes compared to other positions, which are usually dominated by black guys.
This is a little awkward.
 

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Dude... you're saying that black guys can't think well enough to play NFL quarterback.
You said that. Not me. :rolleyes:

Black guys can obviously perform that role well. I'm saying that QB is not a position that relies on crazy athleticism so more people of more ethnic backgrounds can perform. It's the toighest position so kudos to anyone of any race who can handle it.
 

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No it isn't. just like everyone knows the rules of the electoral college going in but it's not fair:
They are fair as well. Unless of course you lose, then you can claim they aren't. But anyone who chooses to participate know the conditions required to win.
 

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Or they've always thought the rules were unfair and now that the spotlight is on them it might be a decent time to discuss them.
Yes, right after a dramatic loss. Very convenient. If they were truly interested, they should be campaigning for a rules change throughout the year, not 10 seconds after the superbowl ends.
 

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You said that. Not me. :rolleyes:

Black guys can obviously perform that role well. I'm saying that QB is not a position that relies on crazy athleticism so more people of more ethnic backgrounds can perform. It's the toighest position so kudos to anyone of any race who can handle it.
So then on the flip side, you're saying white guys aren't athletic enough to play WR or RB... after a game where Edelman made one of the best catches in Super Bowl history, Danny Amendola scored a TD, and both are playing for a team that produced Wes Welker.

Sure, there are trends as to how many people of an ethnicity go into playing a certain position, but those trends have more to do with who kids look up to when they're just learning to play the game than they do with how well (if at all) a certain ethnicity is biologically predisposed to playing a certain position.

Let's not forget... the College National Championship was won by a black QB throwing a TD pass to a white WR. And the losing team was also QB'd by a black guy.
 

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Yes, right after a dramatic loss. Very convenient. If they were truly interested, they should be campaigning for a rules change throughout the year, not 10 seconds after the superbowl ends.
You're being absurd. Everyone who thinks the rules are unfair is only saying it because they are mad about losing? I'm a lions fan. I don't have a stake in this. The overtime rules are unfair. They always have been. Even the NFL acknowledged this by making them slightly less unfair a few years ago.
 

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Yes, right after a dramatic loss. Very convenient. If they were truly interested, they should be campaigning for a rules change throughout the year, not 10 seconds after the superbowl ends.
You don't always have to protest something all year long in order to be against it.

This is like blaming protesters for not voting when...ah, nevermind...
 

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Well, the NFL has changed the rules twice in this effect so one more tweak would make it much better (i.e. ensuring both teams get at least one possession in OT).

First rule - NFL added an OT session many decades ago. It was labeled 'sudden death' which mean the first score regardless of how it occurred would end the game. Which means tonight's game would have seen NE just run the ball a few times after getting deep in Atlanta territory and boot a winning FG (most likely, could have missed obviously) which kinda took away the climax of the win possibility.

Second rule (or first change) - Tweaked the rule to ending the game in OT on an initial drive that resulted in a touchdown. If a field goal the opposition gets a chance.

This is a stupid rule. Make it both sides get a possession or go back to the old way, which was also stupid.

Note: If the receiving team lost on a turnover, or turnover and lost thereafter, then that was their possession, obviously.
 

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You're being absurd. Everyone who thinks the rules are unfair is only saying it because they are mad about losing? I'm a lions fan. I don't have a stake in this. The overtime rules are unfair. They always have been. Even the NFL acknowledged this by making them slightly less unfair a few years ago.
They are completely fair. To argue otherwise is suggest they are somehow rigged by chance. You still have to actually play the game well to win it. You can win the toss, throw a pick and lose the game. You can punt and have the opposition return the punt for a TD and lose the game. You still have to actually do the necessary things to win it - and the Pats did. Crusading about unfairness moments after the SB ends is pretty pathetic, even more so for anyone who has known about these rules going into the evening.
 

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Saying the rules are unfair doesn't take anything away from New England. They played under the rules and won. But that doesn't mean they can't be made more fair.
Or they've always thought the rules were unfair and now that the spotlight is on them it might be a decent time to discuss them.

Yep pretty much agreed with these statements
NFL changed the OT rules recently to make it "slightly more fair" but doesnt mean its totally fair.
Its been argued many times that the current iteration still could use tweaking.
 

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They are completely fair. To argue otherwise is suggest they are somehow rigged by chance. You still have to actually play the game well to win it. You can win the toss, throw a pick and lose the game. You can punt and have the opposition return the punt for a TD and lose the game. You still have to actually do the necessary things to win it - and the Pats did. Crusading about unfairness moments after the SB ends is pretty pathetic, even more so for anyone who has known about these rules going into the evening.

How is it pathetic? Do you hear yourself? The rules are unfair, no matter when someone happens to point it out.
 

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They are completely fair. To argue otherwise is suggest they are somehow rigged by chance. You still have to actually play the game well to win it. You can win the toss, throw a pick and lose the game. You can punt and have the opposition return the punt for a TD and lose the game. You still have to actually do the necessary things to win it - and the Pats did. Crusading about unfairness moments after the SB ends is pretty pathetic, even more so for anyone who has known about these rules going into the evening.
Crusading now? wow.
 

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Crusading about unfairness moments after the SB ends is pretty pathetic
I'm fairly certain the point was brought up by a foreign observer asking about the rules, which brought up the discussion over their fairness.

I fail to see how it is "pathetic" to give an opinion when asked a question about said rules.
 
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