You mean @vi1lain who presumably should know a thing or two about having to live with it? Yeah, I trust her opinion on this.
Television 'Dear White People' - Film and Netflix Series (Scores 100 on RT)
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You mean @vi1lain who presumably should know a thing or two about having to live with it? Yeah, I trust her opinion on this.
Think you're getting lost here.
I've already said that racism by definition is prejudice/discrimination based on the colour of your skin, so what are you arguing?
Outside of a dictionary definitions and in the real world, racism isn't equal that's all I was saying.
If you disagree with that then we can agree to disagree because our perspectives & realities couldn't be more polar opposite.
I think the title was more to draw eyes than controversy. It is a stupid title but it is within the context of the film. And it certainly drew eyes.
I just feel it's been jumped on as an opportunity to have a go at playing the victim. Using it as some sort moral leveler and as a point to divide. When it could have been used as a bit of an eye opener to the range and depth of race issues through a black person's eyes.
Yes the person who posted saying they wouldn't know what racism against white people would look like.
I dont. But then I'm not disagreeing with the 'book' definition for racism.
It is deliberately designed to provoke this kind of reaction, how can it not be? You don't know it's a black cast and a black writer by the title. I'm not saying I'm offended by the title or that I agree with the reaction, I'm saying it's been manufactured for this reaction.
The offence you are feeling now... Imaging what it feels like when you are a minority and racism is downplayed.
You aren't offended? Ok so why are you insisting that it's designed to cause offence even though some in this thread said that they aren't offended, and another has suggested that it is designed to grab attention... Not as clear cut as you are making out is it?
It's a pretty mild title though, surely? Patronising at worst.
I'm not feeling offended... Not in the slightest, infact I've said repeatedly in one form or another that I'm not and I beleive the reaction is overblown, doesn't make my point any less prevelant though.
Incredibly mild.
Erm...
It is literally what I said in the post you quoted, it shouldn't be news to you...
The title didn't get any controversy when the film came out in 2014.
2017 seems to be an altogether different reaction though.
How's that related when he said that afterwards in a different line of conversation?
Man, racism sucks when you're on the receiving end, doesn't it?
Sorry, I was referring to the 'Dear white people', I personally think it is race baiting/generalising. You're right though about it being an over reaction and it's most likely the nationalist right wing types who'll strongly object.
Making fun of various groups - black people, LGBT, women, and so on - is fine because it's "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" and "PC CULTURE IS RUINING LIVES". However, this "Dear White People" nonsense is offensive and it's promoting genocide. Unacceptable from Netflix. The alt-right hub on Facebook and Reddit has been triggered. Genuinely in tears right now.
Agree with Phil. It's another case of people judging the packaging and not the contents. On both sides. Everybody racing to give their opinion until it's still relevant, without doing any research.
That said, the trailer is indeed misleading, especially combined with the title.
she* it's amazing how you're fixated on what I said on the first page, but managed to miss where I said i'm a black female.
And once again - I've said numerous times in this thread, but I will reiterate because I still don't think you understand me.
Racism by definition means that anybody in the world can be racist - you're happy with that, yes?
Outside of a definition in a book and the practical application of racism in the real world, if you are a person of colour the racism you experience is different to the racism a white person experiences especially in the western world. Therefore a blanket statement doesn't paint the whole picture and only minimises the effect of racism to the people who feel it the most.
Does that make sense or are you still finding fault with that statement?
Making fun of various groups - black people, LGBT, women, and so on - is fine because it's "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" and "PC CULTURE IS RUINING LIVES". However, this "Dear White People" nonsense is offensive and it's promoting genocide. Unacceptable from Netflix. The alt-right hub on Facebook and Reddit has been triggered. Genuinely in tears right now.
It's madness isn't it?
The Alt-Right insist that we should be able to "say it how it is" when it comes to minorities, but you dare call white people racist, or even group them as "white people" suddenly they're triggered.
I don't even see what could possibly be offensive about saying "Dear White People", patronising sure but offensive? Racist? Nah
It's the same thing with anti-PC attitudes in general. "I want to be allowed to treat people like I please, and I want everyone to shut up about it, please respect my disrespect for others."
Sorry, I didn't see you bookmark your gender and ethnicity on the first page.
I'm fully comfortable with acknowledging racism is experienced in different ways by different people, I've mentioned this in several posts. But it's still racism. Trying to define it any differently doesn't help anyone and it only furthers this concept that white people can't be victimised through racism. What would racism look like towards white people right?
Again call me old fashioned but I think equality should be in it's absolute, not cherry picked.
Villain clearly said that it was racism, the problem is with your following sentence. While by definition racism is racism no matter who you are, the way it's going to impact your life will depend on your ethnicity.
You're missing the point completely and @vi1lain has already stated plenty of times that white people can experience racism.
@vi1lain though, you should really define the difference more to what you describe is institutional and systematic racism, something which it is true that white western people do not suffer in the western world that we live in.
Can a white person experience racism on an individual level or acts of racism yes. In the western world are our institutions, doctrines, teachings, stereotypes, etc etc racially constructed/geared to discriminate against minorities? Yes against white people NO.
When black people talk about racism they are not talking about individual cases, they are talking about the whole system, and thus when a white person talks about equality for all, its steering the conversation on a path that is just causing distraction.
Its similar to a black person saying black lives matter, and then a white person coming to say all lives matter. Well yes all lives matter we know, but its not all lives that are being systematically discriminated against.
I don't think I or anyone else is saying that white people can't be victimised, and i'm certainly not cherry picking because i'm asking relates to either history or statistics.
So when you look at history, politics, policing, financing etc - how have white people been victimised through racism?
If you can tell me that it's equal to that of people of colour then I'd like to see how.
@Cassidy pretty much explained it. Racism on an individual basis is completely different to racism on a systemic, institutional basis.
By definition - racism is racism, but when you apply that to the real world it's nowhere near as simple as that.
I actually saw this film, in a highly awkwar group of 2 white, 1 black, and me (foreigner). The title and opening is very provocative and charged but the actual film isn't reverse-racist, it is more about divisions within blacks and stereotyping in general.
That said I didn't love the film, 6/10 or something.
That said I didn't love the film, 6/10 or something.
Is that cheap sarcasm? A suggestion of playing the race card? If so, you've undermined practically any argument you might make.
Yes it is. When someone points out that I haven't noticed they were a black female on a thread where they hadn't mentioned they were a black female prior to the comment I quoted, because I was 'fixated' on the first page. I think it's in order, and not at all referencing it as using the race card. Agreed?
Sarcasm in response to sarcasm is fine by me, but it's unfortunate that you left yourself open to misconstruction.
This was the post about mid way down the page, which I stated it.
3 posts after this was the original post you were referring to.
2 posts further down, this was the post you took issue with.
And I only mentioned it because you said that you had read the chain of comments that led up to that moment, so how did you not see what I said as part of that chain? @ivaldo
People really love getting offended.
What you say about me?
No you are right, I apologise you had mentioned it, I'm not sure how I missed it originally (and then on a second reading allbeit a skin read!).
Still, it matters not at all in the context of our conversation and the actual point at hand. In regards to that seems little point in continuing it as we are digressing from the purpose of the thread and clearly we aren't going to agree.
Enjoy your day.
2017 is the year of the offended.
That being said some posters in here could be on the end of an almighty beating from a group of black people wearing shirts saying "I'm beating you cos your white" and they would still deny it being a racist attack.
That being said some posters in here could be on the end of an almighty beating from a group of black people wearing shirts saying "I'm beating you cos your white" and they would still deny it being a racist attack.
Watch the video Olly posted above.
Sparking some kind of a controversy just in order to make a point that seems to be well known to everybody is a smart move. I doubt going ham on race/religion/ethinic group X to show them that directly/indirectly because of them race/religion/ethnic group Y is suffering is going go make somebody rethink anything, it's just throwing another shit at the fan.
Plus the tweets that @Mrs Smoker posted, I don't even have to (and obviously won't) watch a show to know that the writer of it is an idiot. Hurr durr somebody doesn't agree with my political agenda, feck group X because %% of them voted for somebody I don't like!!! They are generalising shits hurr durr!!11
Jesus, people should just feck off, all of them, Trumpists, Clintonists, remove yourself from the fecking Internet and let people live.
Plus the tweets that @Mrs Smoker posted, I don't even have to (and obviously won't) watch a show to know that the writer of it is an idiot. Hurr durr somebody doesn't agree with my political agenda, feck group X because %% of them voted for somebody I don't like!!! They are generalising shits hurr durr!!11
Jesus, people should just feck off, all of them, Trumpists, Clintonists, remove yourself from the fecking Internet and let people live.