Exactly. Once you start in one of these spirals its very hard to pull up out of it. Ask Liverpool.
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Manchester United 1:1 Everton
Post-match discussion
Tue, 04 April 2017
*Sigh*
It's all a bit tedious now. Who knows, maybe our competitors are even worse than we are? It's a shame our ambition has dropped to this.
It's all a bit tedious now. Who knows, maybe our competitors are even worse than we are? It's a shame our ambition has dropped to this.
100% this. A lot of the doom and gloom is unwarranted and a bit OTT to be fair. I'm still optimistic about the future. Our 'worst' games have still been a lot better than most of LVG's stuff. We'll be ok next year, I'm sure of it.
Start with De Gea - valencia.Bailiy-Rojo-Shaw- Herrera.Pogba-Rashford-Miki-Martial-Ibra and start to play some prober football. Fellaini should never have worn a United jersey and what on earth managers see in him baffles me. He can not move and is dead slow,does not have an eye for pass,does not assist,does not score and even though he is bigger than most players he´s hardly creating any danger at set play´s either. Hoof it forward is not the United way and having Ibra and Fellaini upfront will never work.
Absolutely feels like a loss.
Nothing we saw out on the pitch should be surprising at this point. We've seen this scenario play out time and time again this season (not to mention last season).
The bottom line, from my perspective, is that the squad still lacks balance and quality. I don't blame Jose for that. I'm not displeased with any of his signings (although Mhkitaryan was underwhelming today), but he needs another summer transfer window to get it right. Too many of our players just aren't good enough. It's patently obvious at this point. They work hard, but just can't consistently get the job done.
We badly need wingers! Not only does wing play define United football, but it also opens up a world of options from an attacking perspective. We are relatively easy to defend against, in large part because we play with no width. Martial would have been a good option today, but Young getting injured took that away. We also desperately need another striking option. I actually thought Zlatan was good today, but we need to add a clinical finisher to replace Rooney and take the heat off Rashford. We also need a couple of midfielders. Aside from Pogba and Herrera, I don't rate any of our other midfielders, recognizing that Carrick is basically at the end of his career. I've had my fill of Smalling and Jones, so another central defender would also be nice.
There's nothing to be done but park this result and move on to the next match. All hope is not lost, and there's still plenty to fight for. Despite the fact that a top four finish is seemingly less likely with every draw, the team needs to push hard to the end of the season.
Nothing we saw out on the pitch should be surprising at this point. We've seen this scenario play out time and time again this season (not to mention last season).
The bottom line, from my perspective, is that the squad still lacks balance and quality. I don't blame Jose for that. I'm not displeased with any of his signings (although Mhkitaryan was underwhelming today), but he needs another summer transfer window to get it right. Too many of our players just aren't good enough. It's patently obvious at this point. They work hard, but just can't consistently get the job done.
We badly need wingers! Not only does wing play define United football, but it also opens up a world of options from an attacking perspective. We are relatively easy to defend against, in large part because we play with no width. Martial would have been a good option today, but Young getting injured took that away. We also desperately need another striking option. I actually thought Zlatan was good today, but we need to add a clinical finisher to replace Rooney and take the heat off Rashford. We also need a couple of midfielders. Aside from Pogba and Herrera, I don't rate any of our other midfielders, recognizing that Carrick is basically at the end of his career. I've had my fill of Smalling and Jones, so another central defender would also be nice.
There's nothing to be done but park this result and move on to the next match. All hope is not lost, and there's still plenty to fight for. Despite the fact that a top four finish is seemingly less likely with every draw, the team needs to push hard to the end of the season.
An ordinary shoulder charge would have distracted Jaglieka.
We should play all of our remaining games away.
De Gea should have came out and punched that ball and whatever else was got in his way up into the clouds for that goal. Rojo saved De Gea's hole twice in that game. De Gea was on another planet this evening from what I could see.
How do we as a team "supposed" to be playing fluid attacking football, give the ball away SO DAMN MUCH!? Constantly trying ridiculous long balls, crosses from nowhere ( some bad crossing too) , going nowhere, shots from far and the opposition land up with the ball. We are wasteful, players never consider a second option of the pass and I feel that is hindering us from scoring. Why are our attacks so rushed??
The Young / Herrera positions confusion stood out as the highlight for me, and really symbolised a bigger picture.
Agreed.
Ian Wright was saying the same. We have wasted so many chances this season. Even today we hit the woodwork twice and had a goal wrongly ruled offside.
At home we really have had some astonishingly bad luck. Change even half of those draws into wins and we are right behind Chelsea.
Next game vs Sunderland. Imagine if Moyesey beats us.
You can't what?
Couple of Jose's:
Jose is not blaming the officials y'all.
If Jose was more calm he'd be asleep.
Is Jose's hair ever going to grow back out again?
Jose thinks Shaw needs to mature.
Jose is not blaming the officials y'all.
If Jose was more calm he'd be asleep.
Is Jose's hair ever going to grow back out again?
Jose thinks Shaw needs to mature.
How was Williams even eligible to play after their derby match and his stamp/whatever it was on Can?
Well we're in luck. I think 6 out of 9 of them are!
As @Bilbo said yesterday, since the Chelsea game we've dominated pretty much every team we've played. I thought we were crap in the first half but by far the better team overall. Our home record is getting stupid but I'm weirdly unbothered. You can see that we're very close to being a proper team. I'm stlll confident we're capable of turning all these dominance into a shitload of points. Although it may not happen until next season. Ho hum.
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Was he red carded for it? If not and it is going to be dealt with then the suspension wouldn't occur until a hearing was complete.
Can't remember the last time we scored a last minute equaliser and I was as not arsed as I was when Zlatan scored tonight.
A draw is no good for us. I'll take it when it's the 93rd minute and we're losing but really it's still a shite result. Top 4 is gone for me
A draw is no good for us. I'll take it when it's the 93rd minute and we're losing but really it's still a shite result. Top 4 is gone for me
It all boils down to poor finishing.
Herrera didn't need to hit that ball so hard from that position. A simple stab at the ball would have done the job.
None of our players head the ball down in the opponent's box. Pogba keeps missing his headers cos he always heads the ball up. I doubt these players do any sort of training.
We have some of the poorest crossers on the planet. With the amount of set pieces we take in our games, we have scored so little. Jose needs to get several technicians in the summer - this current bunch are not good enough.
Takes time for the process to happen. It happened like 3 days ago.
1/ too many mediocre players
2/ zero luck
3/ no leaders
4/ players lacking confidence
Time to ship out the mediocrity and bring in 2 new midfielders, a left back, a striker and a centre half
2/ zero luck
3/ no leaders
4/ players lacking confidence
Time to ship out the mediocrity and bring in 2 new midfielders, a left back, a striker and a centre half
The phrase "and it's 1:1 at Old Trafford" gives me PTSD
Good post. Can't wait for the next season tbh.
Obviously I hope we'll somehow win the EL. That would mean a good season despite all the crap in the league.
But I think basis for a good team and a good season, the next one, is here. Couple of good signings in the summer and we should be good.
Or I'm just hoping for all this...
Of course you can. He's our manager, surely he has to take some responsibility for the way we play? Trying to break Moyes' record number of crosses in the fulham game vs fecking land of giants WBA when Zlatan wasn't even playing just shows how poor a tactician he is on that side of the ball. Doing it tonight was more defensible with both Zlatan and Fellaini to aim at, but it's still poor tactics.
Nope, should've been a retrospective action.
Not that I mind given the circumstances but it's a bit silly to be fair. It was on bloody Saturday and clear as a day.
Not surprising. Look at our starting lineup. Apart from only a couple of those players, the rest are at best squad material, and the rest certainly not good enough for a club trying to find its way back to the top. We have been poorly run since SAF left and it shows.
Luke Shaw's got nothing on Troy Deeney.
Maybe it's because of the players he has in this disposal and maybe next season with some needed signings we'll be better in braking the bus.
But we make chances, I know it isn't much if you don't score but at least we come close to scoring.
I think I'm saying all this to make myself feel better.
Don't worry we'll batter them for a draw
It's clear as day IMO.
I hope you are right but I really think missing out on top 4 again this season could be a turning point that stops us attracting the very top talent we need to push on. Hope I'm wrong.
Top 4 has gone now in my humble, another very frustrating game to watch.
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Prior to the depression this result has induced i was of the same mind. With some additional attacking talent we'd be be turning a number of these draws into wins. We'll get there.
Honestly, if we don't beat Sunderland then we don't deserve CL qualification from any route either that being 4th or winning the Europa .
Top 4 was gone a long time ago, we've failed to beat the likes of Stoke (H & A), Burnley (H), West Brom (H) & Hull (H). When you don't get 3 points from those home games, you don't deserve to get top 4. We've been pathetic in attack for a long while now, that's the reason why top 4 is out of our reach.
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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14%
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
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13%
Ander Herrera
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9%
Luke Shaw
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4%
Marcos Rojo
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3%
Ashley Young
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2%
Jesse Lingard
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1%
David de Gea
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1%
Marouane Fellaini
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1%
Paul Pogba
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1%
Michael Carrick
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
Highest Rated Player
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Compiled from 392 ratings.
Score Predictions
356,53,137
- Man Utd win
- Everton win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 22% Man Utd 2:1 Everton
- 16% Man Utd 1:0 Everton
- 14% Man Utd 2:0 Everton
- 13% Man Utd 1:1 Everton
- 11% Man Utd 0:0 Everton
- 5% Man Utd 3:1 Everton
- 3% Man Utd 3:0 Everton
- 3% Man Utd 1:2 Everton
- 3% Man Utd 0:1 Everton
- 2% Man Utd 5:0 Everton
- 2% Man Utd 0:2 Everton
- 1% Man Utd 4:0 Everton
- 1% Man Utd 2:2 Everton
- 1% Man Utd 3:2 Everton
- 1% Man Utd 0:3 Everton
- 1% Man Utd 1:3 Everton
- 1% Man Utd 0:5 Everton
- 0% Man Utd 0:4 Everton
- 0% Man Utd 4:1 Everton
- 0% Man Utd 4:2 Everton
- 0% Man Utd 4:3 Everton
- 0% Man Utd 1:5 Everton
- 0% Man Utd 3:3 Everton
- 0% Man Utd 5:4 Everton
- 0% Man Utd 3:4 Everton
Match Stats
- Man Utd
- Everton
- Possession
- 62% 38%
- Shots
- 18 11
- Shots on Target
- 3 4
- Corners
- 6 5
- Fouls
- 10 18
Referee
Neil Swarbrick
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Paul Pogba
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replaced by Luke Shaw
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replaced by Henrikh Mkhitaryan
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