Jose is making a squad of warriors!

[Silverman]

A lot has been said about Mourinho's treatment of his players but I don't see a lot wrong. He sees a lot more behind the scenes than us and he is the best one to judge.

If you're not pulling your weight (Shaw, Martial), he calls you on it. If you are not pushing yourself enough (Smalling, Jones), he calls you on it. Shaw and Martial have reacted positively which is great to see and tbh I hope Smalling and Jones do the same.

I can see Mourinho adding more players this summer that have a fighting mentality and we will see a very United team that will fight tooth and nail in every match which has similarities to Ferguson's last title winning squad. They were not the most technically gifted squad in the league but the fought and fought in every game which got us over the edge.

Thoughts?

 

[2 man midfield]

He knows how to win leagues, it takes grit.

 

[GBBQ]

I think he's instilling control of the club. LVG did something similar but the players didn't react to the playing style so it was doomed to fail. The lack of leaks to the press or the fact players are generally reacting to the bollockings suggest that even if the methods are questionable they are still being received well.

 

[Seveneric]

Definitely. Warriors who'll play through broken ribs, collapsed lungs, ruptured kidneys, shattered femurs and even death.

Can't wait

 

[rocks13]

Great!!!!! Hope Tony Pulis or Sam Allardyce will be available to take over if Jose leaves.

 

[fergieisold]

Good observation, I think this is what I've been enjoying so much lately. He's creating a squad that is together and ready to fight. This is what gives me confidence going into each game lately.

 

[ivaldo]

Great!!!!! Hope Tony Pulis or Sam Allardyce will be available to take over if Jose leaves.

Comparing Jose's style to Pulis and Allardyce...

 

[Peanut Butter]

Great!!!!! Hope Tony Pulis or Sam Allardyce will be available to take over if Jose leaves.

Or we could hire Klopp and have a team with mentality weak players after he has been here for two years.

 

[pocco]

Great!!!!! Hope Tony Pulis or Sam Allardyce will be available to take over if Jose leaves.

Would you rather have a team of soft, drama queens? There's nothing wrong with instilling a bit of fight in our players, it's not as though we're sacrificing on quality.

 

[Adebesi]

This is definitely the positive interpretation. And yes, its true, he sees what's going on behind the scenes, he knows better than us.

Still dont see why it all has to be aired in public. But it is what it is and there is no need to have yet another thread talking about that.

If he is creating a squad of warriors then its great, we have certainly been too soft in recent seasons. We need more fight, more determination, more grit.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Definitely. Warriors who'll play through broken ribs, collapsed lungs, ruptured kidneys, shattered femurs and even death.

Can't wait

We could do with someone who can ghost into the box.

 

[MadMike]

Criticising players privately or in the dressing room is one thing. Doing it publicly is quite another. If you get it wrong you look like a complete idiot and the players start to mistrust you for airing everything in public.

It's not that it shouldn't be done at all, some players might respond positively to some public criticism. But it seems with Mourinho that almost every complaint he's had with his players he's vented it to the media. Martial, Mkhitaryan, Shaw, Smalling, Jones, his entire strike force.... Mourinho in 8 months has criticised publicly more players than I remember SAF doing in his last 10 years. One can only wonder if it'll backfire at some point. I hope not, but I'm not gonna pretend that I enjoy watching this spectacle that he's putting in front of the media.

 

[Adisa]

I am tired of soft players.
We had players complaining about seeing videos of their mistakes under Van Gaal. Ffs!
Over the past three years,we've had a team that will look for any excuse to lose games.
It's remarkable. I never wanted Mourinho here. But now, I couldn't be happier we brought him.
The mentality of the club had been destroyed.

 

[Silverman]

Good observation, I think this is what I've been enjoying so much lately. He's creating a squad that is together and ready to fight. This is what gives me confidence going into each game lately.

Exactly, the Chelsea game is a good example. We were up against a team that was flying and we're not where we want to be yet but we battled hard and got a good victory.

 

[Pexbo]

Jones and Smalling are a pair of worriers to be honest.

 

[rocks13]

Comparing Jose's style to Pulis and Allardyce...

Didn't think this thread was about style - it's about fight, toughness, battling etc. Those are things I'd associate with the managers I mentioned.

 

[Adebesi]

I am tired of soft players.
We had players complaining about seeing videos of their mistakes under Van Gaal. Ffs!
Over the past three years,we've had a team that will look for any excuse to lose games.
It's remarkable. I never wanted Mourinho here. But now, I couldn't be happier we brought him.
The mentality of the club had been destroyed.

There is no doubt our players had got way too soft since SAF left, we had turned into chokers, plain and simple. So it did have to be addressed.

 

[iAm20Legend]

We could do with someone who can ghost into the box.

beat me to it.

 

[ivaldo]

Didn't think this thread was about style - it's about fight, toughness, battling etc. Those are things I'd associate with the managers I mentioned.

Soooo management style?

And that's who you'd select as Jose's replacement?

 

[Ali Dia]

He knows how to win leagues, it takes grit.

What's strange is him having to call out players that have been there and done that with Fergie. You could maybe expect it with a new signing etc but these lads should be leaders in the group now and they know what it takes to win the league. It just goes to show how the mentality of some of the squad changed over the last few years. Then again jones has always been in and out with injury hasn't he?

Edit it also says a lot about the other two managers not being right for us and our standards obviously dropped. No time for passengers anymore if we want to get back to the top. That first post Fergie league title will be so sweet when it happens.

 

[JJ12]

Absolutely, thats why I think the likes of Rojo, Bailly, Felliaini and Herrera are amongst his 'favourites'

Along with them (most of them) being very good footballers.

 

[rocks13]

Soooo management style?

And that's who you'd select as Jose's replacement?

Well, clearly our next manager won't be my decision.

But since the main qualities we seem to be looking for are fight, toughness, more running, playing through injuries they were just a couple of names I would associate with that.

 

[Silverman]

Well, clearly our next manager won't be my decision.

But since the main qualities we seem to be looking for are fight, toughness, more running, playing through injuries they were just a couple of names I would associate with that.

I didn't say they were the main qualities we were looking for. I just said they were qualities Jose was adding.

 

[rocks13]

I didn't say they were the main qualities we were looking for. I just said they were qualities Jose was adding.

Your last paragraph seems to indicate that you believe Jose would prioritise fighting mentality over technical ability.

Do you think that's the case and is it something you would want to see?

 

[ADJUDICATOR]

I don't know about 'fight, toughness and grit', but I want us to be closer to 12-13 Bayern Munich than 13-14 Atletico Madrid.

 

[Manny]

Its funny seeing posters piss and moan about us not having a winning mentality and then criticise Jose for trying to change it.

I'm totally on board with what Jose is doing. It's been a long time coming.

 

[Oldyella]

I am tired of soft players.
We had players complaining about seeing videos of their mistakes under Van Gaal. Ffs!
Over the past three years,we've had a team that will look for any excuse to lose games.
It's remarkable. I never wanted Mourinho here. But now, I couldn't be happier we brought him.
The mentality of the club had been destroyed.

I thought the comlaint re vidoes was that he would show them in team meetings point out failures? I'm sure every manager will point out a player doing wrong, its just how its done thats the issue. If my colleagues watched videos of all my mistakes, they would never talk to me.

All goes back to Moyes, he took a squad of winners and ruined it.

 

[ivaldo]

Well, clearly our next manager won't be my decision.

But since the main qualities we seem to be looking for are fight, toughness, more running, playing through injuries they were just a couple of names I would associate with that.

Well we have run the least distance in the league this season so that doesn't add up.

How have you surmised that these are the main qualities Jose is after? It's certainly a prerequisite to be a Jose player, much like it was to play for Ferguson.

Why do you have a problem with this?

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

Totally agree with this approach and its no different to what made Fergie such a good manager - remember how he always banged on about new signings needing to be right attitude-wise as well as ability?

 

[Adebesi]

Its funny seeing posters piss and moan about us not having a winning mentality and then criticise Jose for trying to change it.

I'm totally on board with what Jose is doing. It's been a long time coming.

Why is that funny? You can think we need to be tougher, without agreeing that public humiliation is the way to go about achieving it.

 

[Jaxdan]

Compare Zlatan walking off the pitch with torn knee ligaments, and Sanchez yesterday with his delayed rifle shot to the head response over a cut lip. The latter is why many see our sport as 'soft'. They don't see enough of the former.

 

[rocks13]

Well we have run the least distance in the league this season so that doesn't add up.

How have you surmised that these are the main qualities Jose is after? It's certainly a prerequisite to be a Jose player, much like it was to play for Ferguson.

Why do you have a problem with this?

I've simply replied to a thread which is about fighting qualities - you'd need to ask the OP why he surmised it.

With regard to running I suppose you'd look at the praise that Martial drew on Sunday. In terms of output he scored a goal which he's done before this season but his performance was lauded because he ran more.

 

[Varun]

We've had a bunch of pussies playing for us for a while now so I'm all for helping them man up.

 

[Ram1fy]

I think he's instilling control of the club. LVG did something similar but the players didn't react to the playing style so it was doomed to fail. The lack of leaks to the press or the fact players are generally reacting to the bollockings suggest that even if the methods are questionable they are still being received well.

Great observation on leaks. When they come out, you feel like they are actually "leaks", but they only seem to happen when the players are not happy.

 

[AN17]

Adidas won't be happy.

 

[Silverman]

Your last paragraph seems to indicate that you believe Jose would prioritise fighting mentality over technical ability.

Do you think that's the case and is it something you would want to see?

Well you took it up wrong. Aguero has a fighting mentality and he's not a bad wee player.

 

[Rozay]

Let's sign Ragnar Lothbrok.

 

[Manny]

Why is that funny? You can think we need to be tougher, without agreeing that public humiliation is the way to go about achieving it.

Who has been humiliated?

Humiliated would have been Jose pointing out that Jones has spent 80% of the last two seasons injured. All he has said is that Jones should be willing to come back days earlier considering the predicament we are in.

 

[ivaldo]

I've simply replied to a thread which is about fighting qualities - you'd need to ask the OP why he surmised it.

With regard to running I suppose you'd look at the praise that Martial drew on Sunday. In terms of output he scored a goal which he's done before this season but his performance was lauded because he ran more.

No he didn't. OP likened it as an admirable trait which Fergie had in his sides. You've then decided to compare him to two managers who are known as relegation battlers.

Yes because that's what's missing from his game. Do you not think if he went all season without scoring but had run his arse off Jose wouldn't praise him for scoring on Sunday too?

 

[SachinJ22]

Or we could hire Klopp and have a team with mentality weak players after he has been here for two years.

We would get the same thing even if we hire Wenger but instead of weak men we will have weak boys playing for us.