So then doom merchant... What would you do?

[TheReligion]

Whenever someone makes one of these arguments I like to remind them that even someone like David Moyes has a lot more knowledge and experience in regards to Football than anyone here. So by that measure none of us should be able to question his decisions.

Moyes didn't bring Zlatan and Pogba to the club nor did he achieve any silverwear or CL football.

Jose has brought in the muppets dream signings, won a trophy and got us in our first European final since SAF. He also gone someway to making this team understand what it takes to play European football again away from home on the continent.

Bar the past few weeks (when we decided to focus on the final) we were one point behind Liverpool and ahead of City and Arsenal. It's fair to say only Chelsea and Spurs have been consistently better than United, despite the poor home results in the league, this season.

We really aren't behind Arsenal, Liverpool and City when you look at it as each of those club's has struggled in phases.

People need to step back sometimes and take in some perspective.

 

[dichinero]

That's fair enough and honest.

So as you can see, my comments regarding this management has nothing to do with hate or negativity. Just because I don't see it like you or perceive like you doesn't make not want the club to be successful. Same results, different methods

 

[TheReligion]

It's an interesting thread. I was talking about your "put a complain and leave never to come back" post. We don't want that as we want people to discuss things here.

Of course. I want genuine fans here though not those who you feel are agenda driven as they are pushing good posters out of the Football and Matchday forums with their meaningless claptrap.

 

[Varun]

Of course. I want genuine fans here though not those who you feel are agenda driven as they are pushing good posters out of the Football and Matchday forums with their meaningless claptrap.

We have numerous staff members to take care of that.

 

[Randall Flagg]

Of course. I want genuine fans here though not those who you feel are agenda driven as they are pushing good posters out of the Football and Matchday forums with their meaningless claptrap.

maybe it would be best to name and shame

 

[Rusholme Ruffian]

So as you can see, my comments regarding this management has nothing to do with hate or negativity.

Sorry but that is bollocks! You've been absolutely relentless in your negativity over the last few months.

 

[robinrooney]

Immediately sell Fellaini and Smalling. If no takers, sack them

 

[TheReligion]

We have numerous staff members to take care of that.

Hopefully they are thinking of ways to tackle the problem.

 

[Minimalist]

Of course. I want genuine fans here though not those who you feel are agenda driven as they are pushing good posters out of the Football and Matchday forums with their meaningless claptrap.

Yeah, that sanctimonious message is loud and clear.

 

[TheReligion]

maybe it would be best to name and shame

I'll not do at the moment but perhaps people should use this thread to tag them as and when so that they can offer something more insightful amidst their dissatisfaction

 

[Shiva87]

@OP. Great thread. I've gone through the pages, but somehow (apart from a couple of posts on Page 2) - no one seems to have a clue of what they'd do differently. Even where they do, these are mostly the things that Jose has been trying to do this year, or are a more philosophical level. I'm glad none of the fans here are at executive positions at the club.

 

[TheReligion]

Yeah, that sanctimonious message is loud and clear.

I'm not sure you understand the meaning of the word if you think that's what this is to be honest.

 

[Minimalist]

I'm not sure you understand the meaning of the word if you think that's what this is to be honest.

That tone sums up the matter. Of course I know the meaning.

The idea that you can't point out problems without having a gold plated solution for each is nonsense.

 

[TheReligion]

That tone sums up the matter. Of course I know the meaning.

The idea that you can't point out problems without having a gold plated solution for each is nonsense.

Who said anything about gold plated?

Just have a solution/idea/insight. You know something to support your opinions. Especially if your feelings are that negative and strong. That's what a forum is for. To discuss things.

If you think that's sanctimonious then as I've said I'm not sure you know the meaning.

 

[GazTheLegend]

There's an element of this too I agree.

A portion of people desperate for him to fail at the expense of our club. I'd go as far to say there are 'fans' on the forum with a word document typed up ready to gloat if we don't win the EL final.

This is a good thread and quite accurate regarding the bullshit that people have been writing.

The thing is, I could quote a number of opta stats that highlight our successes and illustrate where we need to improve this season but the moaners would choose to ignore them or suggest the old useless platitudinous garbage quote "the only statistic that matters is goals!".

It's the same with the Herrera hate - you can show people the numbers regarding how good a player he actually is, but they've already made up their mind through cognitive dissonance.

 

[Raees]

You lot play too much football manager

I wish Moyes had in all fairness.. sort of guy who'd struggle to pull off a skill move in Fifa Street the absolute moron.

Anyway I have said it ever since Fergie went and that was the first team needed a massive revamp and three managers down the line we are still in the same position with the first team still heavily reliant on poorly performing players from the Moyes era.

When a nothing player like Mata is lauded by the masses as a great man a great player (when this club had players like Cantona, Ronaldo) you know that standards have fallen.. he wouldn't have had a sniff of getting into our title challenging sides of yesteryear and yet he's one of the current squads biggest players and one of the very few with some brains.

I'd do the following ...

Defence

Sell De Gea for 65-70m if his heart isn't fully into being at United and reinvest in Oblak for 10-20m profit or go for a cheaper keeper or perhaps promote Romero for a season.

I'd sell Shaw/Darmian/Blind and bring in three new full backs. I'd splash the money on Semedo/Aurier and Mendy/Bernat. My third full back would be a EPL mid table or top 10 LB like Chilwell or Cresswell - someone you can rely on to cover ground and get forward well.

I'd have Valencia as cover for the right back position. Young/Rojo and third left back would provide cover for Mendy.

I'd send Tuanzebe on loan to play at either right back or CB with option to call back at any time.

I'd sell Smalling and Jones and bring in 2 CBs.. one to come in as a starter and the other as cover for injuries. Varane/Marquinhos/Giminez/Laporte... someone out of that pool and then someone like Keane as the cover for injuries.

Midfield

I'd retire Carrick. I'd sell Fellaini. I'd bring in Fabinho as a CDM, I'd try and lure a Verratti/Kroos but realistically would focus on building some depth here with maybe Carvalho, Chamberlain and Barkley/Rodriguez as squad options.

I'd sell Lingard, Mata and I'd keep Martial and give him another year to prove himself.

I'd sign Douglas Costa and look to get either Coman/Dembele/Reus/Sanchez on other flank. I'd sign Riyad Mahrez too as a squad player.

I'd not extend Zlatan contract and would sell Rooney.

Up front I'd try sign Sanchez or go all out on Lewa. If not Griezmann or even Lacazette would have been ideal. Or grab Benzema in a De Gea deal.

To summarise a massive revamp of the squad needed in my opinion and a minimum (if just looking at first XI) of 6-7 signings. If we are looking at improving squad as a whole around 10 players. That is seriously what is needed for this mediocre side to be winning leagues and being competitive in champions league otherwise forget about it.. no chance of just expecting Mourinho to turn shit into wine.

Oblak
Aurier Varane Bailly Mendy
Fabinho
Herrera Pogba
Dembele Sanchez Costa

Romero
Aurier Bailly Giminez Mendy
Fabinho Pogba
Rodriguez
Mahrez Benzema Costa
​

 

[Infra-red]

Fans' criticism doesn't need to be constructive; we're not running the club and we have no decisions to make or solutions to find. It's entirely possible to think Mourinho/Woodward/Rooney/Teresa May/whoever are doing a bad job (and criticise them as such) without believing that you could do a better job yourself and without venturing solutions to the particular problems they're struggling with. This is normal discourse.

 

[dichinero]

Sorry but that is bollocks! You've been absolutely relentless in your negativity over the last few months.

You just go and sit down somewhere! You seem to be more interested in tracking comments that doesn't tickle you. Have gold star!

 

[Von Mistelroum]

Ship out the players without the fight and class required for a top team. Look at other top teams, Bayern, Madrid, Barca etc. do they have players who look like they can't be arsed turning out for them every week? Do they have players who look completely out of place in a top side....or even playing football at times? Do they have players who seem scared to have the ball or try anything when they do get it? Would any of these sides fancy Fellaini, Jones, Smalling, Lingard in their team if we were selling?

We have some very, very average, and a few poor players, others with attitudes that need sorting out, or shipping out ASAP. Then we need to buy players with fight in them. Yes top players, but also players who are in for the scrap when needed, who will fight for a win, challenge every 50-50, run for 90 minutes and be brave enough to try something different, take on a man, whip in a cross, think outside the box when faced with a defending or pressing team, rather than just turn and pass it backwards, slow down going into a 50-50, take the easy way out every time.

I'd ship out the players who clearly don't have the fight in them, or the class in them as mentioned above. I'd also ship out any players who are clearly not giving their all in training. If Martial's issues are laziness or poor attitude rather than just a confidence blip, he'd need to go. If Shaw's attitude issues are true, he'd need to go. Lose all of the players who are poisoning the club with mediocrity, and bring in good players to replace them who are technically sound and who have the kind of attitude required for a season in the PL.

It's not that easy of course, we can't sell 8-10 players and replace them all, it's not FM. We need to weed out the worst offenders first, and we need to bring in some strong players (not just physically). I'd start with shipping out the players I mentioned and replacing them with a new CB or two (I do fancy Keane because he seems to have the stomach for a fight and would fit well next to Bailly, not just because he's one of our own, although that doesn't hurt as it'd encourage him to battle) to play with Bailly and Rojo who has shown his worth at CB.

I'd bring in a DM with technical ability and who can do a lot of running in a 2-man to replace Carrick (due to age, obviously). I'd also bring in a couple of attacking players who have skill, technical ability and a willingness to try something different when needed because they actually have the skills to do so. This is why I think James would be a good signing. He's technically very good, has passion and is always willing to try something different to break down a defence, whether it's a deft pass, taking on a man, or a 30 yard screamer. I'd love Griezmann for the speed and skill he could bring which would terrify PL defences, but I don't think he'll come here. I'd take Lukaku if possible, but I think he'll go to Chelsea if they want him, so I dunno who we would sign there if I'm honest.

 

[JPRouve]

Fans' criticism doesn't need to be constructive, we're not running the club and we have no decisions to make or solutions to find. It's entirely possible to think Mourinho/Woodward/Rooney/Teresa May/whoever are doing a bad job (and criticise them as such) without believing that you could do a better job yourself and without venturing solutions to the particular problems they're struggling with. This is normal discourse.

It's a bit like movies, you can be underwhelmed and even criticize the final product but it doesn't mean that you are Spielberg.

On topic, we are under performing but Mourinho is fine, he should stay and have another crack at it.

 

[K2K]

There's an element of this too I agree.

A portion of people desperate for him to fail at the expense of our club. I'd go as far to say there are 'fans' on the forum with a word document typed up ready to gloat if we don't win the EL final.

Sadly you are right.

 

[owlo]

Unsure I'd class myself as a moaner or even a particularly prolific poster, but here's what I'd do.

Make it clear at board level that I need 2 summers to jettison unwanted players from the squad, and that I intend to invest heavily. Additionally inform them that I want to begin to implement more performance related contracts.

Sell Rooney, Carrick, Jones, Smalling, Mata, Wilson and let Zlatan go.

Put Lingard, Shaw, Darmian and Martial on 12 months notice. They either improve significantly or leave next summer. If any don't have the fight, ship them out now.

Loan TFM, Promote Tuanzebe to the 1st team squad. Tell De Gea he either commits or leaves, as I'm building for the long term.

Enquire about Dybala and Dembele as my 'marquee' signing. Look into Morata, Kroos and Isco. Sign a centre back to replace Dumb & Dumber (Possibly Harry Maquire). Look into nabbing Sanchez from Arsenal.

 

[Infra-red]

It's a bit like movies, you can be underwhelmed and even criticize the final product but it doesn't mean that you are Spielberg.

On topic, we are under performing but Mourinho is fine, he should stay and have another crack at it.

I agree entirely.

 

[TheReligion]

I wish Moyes had in all fairness.. sort of guy who'd struggle to pull off a skill move in Fifa Street the absolute moron.

Anyway I have said it ever since Fergie went and that was the first team needed a massive revamp and three managers down the line we are still in the same position with the first team still heavily reliant on poorly performing players from the Moyes era.

When a nothing player like Mata is lauded by the masses as a great man a great player (when this club had players like Cantona, Ronaldo) you know that standards have fallen.. he wouldn't have had a sniff of getting into our title challenging sides of yesteryear and yet he's one of the current squads biggest players and one of the very few with some brains.

I'd do the following ...

Defence

Sell De Gea for 65-70m if his heart isn't fully into being at United and reinvest in Oblak for 10-20m profit or go for a cheaper keeper or perhaps promote Romero for a season.

I'd sell Shaw/Darmian/Blind and bring in three new full backs. I'd splash the money on Semedo/Aurier and Mendy/Bernat. My third full back would be a EPL mid table or top 10 LB like Chilwell or Cresswell - someone you can rely on to cover ground and get forward well.

I'd have Valencia as cover for the right back position. Young/Rojo and third left back would provide cover for Mendy.

I'd send Tuanzebe on loan to play at either right back or CB with option to call back at any time.

I'd sell Smalling and Jones and bring in 2 CBs.. one to come in as a starter and the other as cover for injuries. Varane/Marquinhos/Giminez/Laporte... someone out of that pool and then someone like Keane as the cover for injuries.

Midfield

I'd retire Carrick. I'd sell Fellaini. I'd bring in Fabinho as a CDM, I'd try and lure a Verratti/Kroos but realistically would focus on building some depth here with maybe Carvalho, Chamberlain and Barkley/Rodriguez as squad options.

I'd sell Lingard, Mata and I'd keep Martial and give him another year to prove himself.

I'd sign Douglas Costa and look to get either Coman/Dembele/Reus/Sanchez on other flank. I'd sign Riyad Mahrez too as a squad player.

I'd not extend Zlatan contract and would sell Rooney.

Up front I'd try sign Sanchez or go all out on Lewa. If not Griezmann or even Lacazette would have been ideal. Or grab Benzema in a De Gea deal.

To summarise a massive revamp of the squad needed in my opinion and a minimum (if just looking at first XI) of 6-7 signings. If we are looking at improving squad as a whole around 10 players. That is seriously what is needed for this mediocre side to be winning leagues and being competitive in champions league otherwise forget about it.. no chance of just expecting Mourinho to turn shit into wine.

Oblak
Aurier Varane Bailly Mendy
Fabinho
Herrera Pogba
Dembele Sanchez Costa​

That's a big overhaul. How long do you think it would take to execute realistically and are we at a point where we need to simply invest in someone long term even if it means sacrificing results on the pitch?

Constant change of coaching staff and manager leaves us with a mass of players brought in to carry out different philosophies and essentially the squad we have now.

Good players individually but as a collective quite awkward.

 

[Rusholme Ruffian]

You just go and sit down somewhere! You seem to be more interested in tracking comments that doesn't tickle you. Have gold star!

I'm on the sofa thanks!

Not at all, but I will call out bullshit if I see it. At least have the courage of your convictions and say 'Yes I have been negative, because I have never liked Mourinho and never felt he was the right fit for the club'. On several occasions you have said stuff like "I cannot stand the man, never have and never will', and you have been on his case since about October. To now claim that you have not been negative is outrageous!

To criticise constructively is one thing, but I think this thread has shown that actually beyond the criticism not many people have anything constructive to add. Most of the loudest 'anti-Mourinho' voices just want him out first and foremost - by any means necessary. I know that you will come back and say that you don't believe he should be sacked...but your (many) comments throughout the last 6 months would suggest otherwise.

 

[TheReligion]

Fans' criticism doesn't need to be constructive; we're not running the club and we have no decisions to make or solutions to find. It's entirely possible to think Mourinho/Woodward/Rooney/Teresa May/whoever are doing a bad job (and criticise them as such) without believing that you could do a better job yourself and without venturing solutions to the particular problems they're struggling with. This is normal discourse.

It's a bit like movies, you can be underwhelmed and even criticize the final product but it doesn't mean that you are Spielberg.

On topic, we are under performing but Mourinho is fine, he should stay and have another crack at it.

This is a thread for those dissatisfied to express themselves with more than 'we are crap' repeatedly.

As mentioned earlier if you don't like a meal at a restaurant it doesn't mean you'd say it's shite without explanation and then proceed to loiter around repeating yourself whilst upsetting other paying customers.

 

[Raees]

That's a big overhaul. How long do you think it would take to execute realistically and are we at a point where we need to simply invest in someone long term even if it means sacrificing results on the pitch?

Constant change of coaching staff and manager leaves us with a mass of players brought in to carry out different philosophies and essentially the squad we have now.

Good players individually but as a collective quite awkward.

The 6-7 first teamers can be done in a summer if you target available players and don't waste your time on players you have zero chance of signing for example Neymar etc. Need to be effecient .. Fabinho Mendy Aurier Costa Mahrez could be wrapped up within a month and leave the rest of the time to focus on the big targets.

Mourinho has huge experience in conductive mass scale revamps in small time period and usually does really well in second season transfer windows. Depends on contacts with agents for all these players too.

For all the stick Jose gets he usually has players who will serve any manager going well in future and only at Inter did he leave behind a poor legacy of signings due to age factor but generally he leaves behind a solid squad of players and I don't believe he leaves behind scorched earth policy he leaves behind better players even if he fails.

I don't see how we can trust someone like Rashford at 9 for an entire season or even Martial. They're too raw and not close to Rooney or Ronaldo class at 18-22.. these boys need loans or even off the bench but being asked to perform like men when they're not upto the task - we are asking them to take United to EPL and CL titles - batshit crazy stuff.

 

[roonster09]

I don't think belong to this thread for sure but I will add my 2cents.

I think our players play with fear of failure. When the season started it wasn't like this but as the season progressed players started playing with fear as we aren't scoring many goals, so one goal conceded means we will lose the game.

Confidence is a big issue in the game, our players lack that big time. When you don't have confidence and play with fear, players movement is very restricted. Even yesterday when Martial was dribbling, hardly anyone burst their gut to be available for pass or to reach the box. Whether it's down to manager's instruction or player doubting themselves is up for debate but at least in the last month or 2, I think the issue is more with mental part of the game than anything.

I don't know what the solution is or whether this is even the problem but that's what I felt watching last few games.

 

[K2K]

I wish Moyes had in all fairness.. sort of guy who'd struggle to pull off a skill move in Fifa Street the absolute moron.

Anyway I have said it ever since Fergie went and that was the first team needed a massive revamp and three managers down the line we are still in the same position with the first team still heavily reliant on poorly performing players from the Moyes era.

When a nothing player like Mata is lauded by the masses as a great man a great player (when this club had players like Cantona, Ronaldo) you know that standards have fallen.. he wouldn't have had a sniff of getting into our title challenging sides of yesteryear and yet he's one of the current squads biggest players and one of the very few with some brains.

I'd do the following ...

Defence

Sell De Gea for 65-70m if his heart isn't fully into being at United and reinvest in Oblak for 10-20m profit or go for a cheaper keeper or perhaps promote Romero for a season.

I'd sell Shaw/Darmian/Blind and bring in three new full backs. I'd splash the money on Semedo/Aurier and Mendy/Bernat. My third full back would be a EPL mid table or top 10 LB like Chilwell or Cresswell - someone you can rely on to cover ground and get forward well.

I'd have Valencia as cover for the right back position. Young/Rojo and third left back would provide cover for Mendy.

I'd send Tuanzebe on loan to play at either right back or CB with option to call back at any time.

I'd sell Smalling and Jones and bring in 2 CBs.. one to come in as a starter and the other as cover for injuries. Varane/Marquinhos/Giminez/Laporte... someone out of that pool and then someone like Keane as the cover for injuries.

Midfield

I'd retire Carrick. I'd sell Fellaini. I'd bring in Fabinho as a CDM, I'd try and lure a Verratti/Kroos but realistically would focus on building some depth here with maybe Carvalho, Chamberlain and Barkley/Rodriguez as squad options.

I'd sell Lingard, Mata and I'd keep Martial and give him another year to prove himself.

I'd sign Douglas Costa and look to get either Coman/Dembele/Reus/Sanchez on other flank. I'd sign Riyad Mahrez too as a squad player.

I'd not extend Zlatan contract and would sell Rooney.

Up front I'd try sign Sanchez or go all out on Lewa. If not Griezmann or even Lacazette would have been ideal. Or grab Benzema in a De Gea deal.

To summarise a massive revamp of the squad needed in my opinion and a minimum (if just looking at first XI) of 6-7 signings. If we are looking at improving squad as a whole around 10 players. That is seriously what is needed for this mediocre side to be winning leagues and being competitive in champions league otherwise forget about it.. no chance of just expecting Mourinho to turn shit into wine.

Oblak
Aurier Varane Bailly Mendy
Fabinho
Herrera Pogba
Dembele Sanchez Costa

Romero
Aurier Bailly Giminez Mendy
Fabinho Pogba
Rodriguez
Mahrez Benzema Costa
​

You are one of the few that has actually bothered to answer the question, and well too if I might add.

That's quite a number of changes and I don't necessarily agree with all of them, but most of them are good.

 

[DavidLayland]

There's an awful lot of negativity on the Caf these days, the vast majority non constructive. I understand expectations aren't being delivered but this thread isn't about that. This is for you to say, realistically, what you'd do with your club.

Jose Mourinho leaves and you take over. For arguments sake we don't have CL football.

You have the current squad and resources at your disposal. I want to hear how you'd put things right and how long it would take?

Tactics, transfers, strategy, objectives..

All players would have to undergo sreious shooting practice. Very difficult, however, to coach striking abilty as that is something of a natural instinct. At least we saw that with Rooney's goal against Spurs.

 

[Minimalist]

Who said anything about gold plated?

Just have a solution/idea/insight. You know something to support your opinions. Especially if your feelings are that negative and strong. That's what a forum is for. To discuss things.

If you think that's sanctimonious then as I've said I'm not sure you know the meaning.

What serious posters don't do that? Should we ban all posts that don't meet a certain quality criteria? There's a lot of mindless drivel posted by overly 'positive' posters too you know.

I'm glad you agree a forum is for discussion. Some posts in this thread seem to suggest we should be culling the place to make it nicer for the genuine supporters as you put it.

 

[dichinero]

On several occasions you have said stuff like "I cannot stand the man, never have and never will', and you have been on his case since about October. To now claim that you have not been negative is outrageous!

And so? I can't stand the man for obvious reasons that have been long before he joined United. Do I now just ignore that and be a hypocrite because he now manages United? Do you love all the United players equally. We are supporters not called to be lovers of the players or managers, just to love the club, which is what I've done.

People like you just pick posts at your convenience. I've said from day one that despite not being my preference, I will support him as manager and hope he changes for the better of the club which will in turn be to his own advantage. No where have I advocated his sacking in any post. He's here, and I'm dealing with it, hoping that he proves my preconceived thoughts wrong.

So just because he is manager, is he above criticism? Anyone that underperforms should be criticized and, and if you cannot filter out emotions in the heat of the moment comments then maybe you should not be on a public forum.

It's like when anyone called out Wayne Rooney a few months ago, there were posters like you with replies like, "agenda drivers, ABUs, haters of the club, and the likes.

 

[Infra-red]

This is a thread for those dissatisfied to express themselves with more than 'we are crap' repeatedly.

As mentioned earlier if you don't like a meal at a restaurant it doesn't mean you'd say it's shite without explanation and then proceed to loiter around repeating yourself whilst upsetting other paying customers.

Who cares whether redcafe.net is, at any given moment, "too negative" (as if such a term has any objective meaning). Personally, I find this kind of naval-gazing far more irritating than I find football fans having a bit of moan (which they've done since time immemorial and will always do as long as there is football to moan about).

 

[TheReligion]

What serious posters don't do that? Should we ban all posts that don't meet a certain quality criteria?

I'm glad you agree a forum is for discussion. Some posts in this thread seem to suggest we should be culling the place to make it nicer for the genuine supporters as you put it.

Again I didn't say any of that so sorry if you interpret it otherwise. There's plenty who agree with this thread and the premise behind it.

 

[TheReligion]

Who cares whether redcafe.net is, at any given moment, "too negative" (as if such a term has any objective meaning). Personally, I find this kind of naval-gazing far more irritating than I find football fans having a bit of moan (which they've done since time immemorial and will always do as long as there is football to moan about).

No problem. If you don't like the thread or agree with why it's here don't post in it.

 

[Raees]

You are one of the few that has actually bothered to answer the question, and well too if I might add.

That's quite a number of changes and I don't necessarily agree with all of them, but most of them are good.

Thanks. To be fair this isn't knee jerk as you can read through my thread history and see that I've been asking for a proper revamp for years and all I get back is ... it's unrealistic and signing players isn't the problem a new manager will sort everything out etc and for me it has got to the stage where even if I am unhappy at times with Jose tactics recently (and I'm a huge Jose fanboy) you can still see that there is such a lack of quality all cross the side even if we account for some of his strange decisions or absence of commitment to attacking football ideals.

 

[dichinero]

I wish Moyes had in all fairness.. sort of guy who'd struggle to pull off a skill move in Fifa Street the absolute moron.

Anyway I have said it ever since Fergie went and that was the first team needed a massive revamp and three managers down the line we are still in the same position with the first team still heavily reliant on poorly performing players from the Moyes era.

When a nothing player like Mata is lauded by the masses as a great man a great player (when this club had players like Cantona, Ronaldo) you know that standards have fallen.. he wouldn't have had a sniff of getting into our title challenging sides of yesteryear and yet he's one of the current squads biggest players and one of the very few with some brains.

I'd do the following ...

Defence

Sell De Gea for 65-70m if his heart isn't fully into being at United and reinvest in Oblak for 10-20m profit or go for a cheaper keeper or perhaps promote Romero for a season.

I'd sell Shaw/Darmian/Blind and bring in three new full backs. I'd splash the money on Semedo/Aurier and Mendy/Bernat. My third full back would be a EPL mid table or top 10 LB like Chilwell or Cresswell - someone you can rely on to cover ground and get forward well.

I'd have Valencia as cover for the right back position. Young/Rojo and third left back would provide cover for Mendy.

I'd send Tuanzebe on loan to play at either right back or CB with option to call back at any time.

I'd sell Smalling and Jones and bring in 2 CBs.. one to come in as a starter and the other as cover for injuries. Varane/Marquinhos/Giminez/Laporte... someone out of that pool and then someone like Keane as the cover for injuries.

Midfield

I'd retire Carrick. I'd sell Fellaini. I'd bring in Fabinho as a CDM, I'd try and lure a Verratti/Kroos but realistically would focus on building some depth here with maybe Carvalho, Chamberlain and Barkley/Rodriguez as squad options.

I'd sell Lingard, Mata and I'd keep Martial and give him another year to prove himself.

I'd sign Douglas Costa and look to get either Coman/Dembele/Reus/Sanchez on other flank. I'd sign Riyad Mahrez too as a squad player.

I'd not extend Zlatan contract and would sell Rooney.

Up front I'd try sign Sanchez or go all out on Lewa. If not Griezmann or even Lacazette would have been ideal. Or grab Benzema in a De Gea deal.

To summarise a massive revamp of the squad needed in my opinion and a minimum (if just looking at first XI) of 6-7 signings. If we are looking at improving squad as a whole around 10 players. That is seriously what is needed for this mediocre side to be winning leagues and being competitive in champions league otherwise forget about it.. no chance of just expecting Mourinho to turn shit into wine.

Oblak
Aurier Varane Bailly Mendy
Fabinho
Herrera Pogba
Dembele Sanchez Costa

Romero
Aurier Bailly Giminez Mendy
Fabinho Pogba
Rodriguez
Mahrez Benzema Costa
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Some serious attacking FBs! I suppose Fabinho will bring some central stability

 

[Raees]

Some serious attacking FBs! I suppose Fabinho will bring some central stability

Imagine counter attacking with them though - would be crazy. Both very physical big boys as well and aggressive and with Bailly in defence.. I wouldn't want to be a forward against these lot.

In the modern game you have to have two amazing wing backs to stand a chance of playing good football against top sides. Darmian will get torn to shreds in CL.

 

[dichinero]

Imagine counter attacking with them though - would be crazy. Both very physical big boys as well and aggressive and with Bailly in defence.. I wouldn't want to be a forward against these lot.

In the modern game you have to have two amazing wing backs to stand a chance of playing good football against top sides. Darmian will get torn to shreds in CL.

I don't know why I'm imagining City GKs flapping at relentless crosses but I like it.

 

[Mihai]

I wish Moyes had in all fairness.. sort of guy who'd struggle to pull off a skill move in Fifa Street the absolute moron.

Anyway I have said it ever since Fergie went and that was the first team needed a massive revamp and three managers down the line we are still in the same position with the first team still heavily reliant on poorly performing players from the Moyes era.

When a nothing player like Mata is lauded by the masses as a great man a great player (when this club had players like Cantona, Ronaldo) you know that standards have fallen.. he wouldn't have had a sniff of getting into our title challenging sides of yesteryear and yet he's one of the current squads biggest players and one of the very few with some brains.

I'd do the following ...

Defence

Sell De Gea for 65-70m if his heart isn't fully into being at United and reinvest in Oblak for 10-20m profit or go for a cheaper keeper or perhaps promote Romero for a season.

I'd sell Shaw/Darmian/Blind and bring in three new full backs. I'd splash the money on Semedo/Aurier and Mendy/Bernat. My third full back would be a EPL mid table or top 10 LB like Chilwell or Cresswell - someone you can rely on to cover ground and get forward well.

I'd have Valencia as cover for the right back position. Young/Rojo and third left back would provide cover for Mendy.

I'd send Tuanzebe on loan to play at either right back or CB with option to call back at any time.

I'd sell Smalling and Jones and bring in 2 CBs.. one to come in as a starter and the other as cover for injuries. Varane/Marquinhos/Giminez/Laporte... someone out of that pool and then someone like Keane as the cover for injuries.

Midfield

I'd retire Carrick. I'd sell Fellaini. I'd bring in Fabinho as a CDM, I'd try and lure a Verratti/Kroos but realistically would focus on building some depth here with maybe Carvalho, Chamberlain and Barkley/Rodriguez as squad options.

I'd sell Lingard, Mata and I'd keep Martial and give him another year to prove himself.

I'd sign Douglas Costa and look to get either Coman/Dembele/Reus/Sanchez on other flank. I'd sign Riyad Mahrez too as a squad player.

I'd not extend Zlatan contract and would sell Rooney.

Up front I'd try sign Sanchez or go all out on Lewa. If not Griezmann or even Lacazette would have been ideal. Or grab Benzema in a De Gea deal.

To summarise a massive revamp of the squad needed in my opinion and a minimum (if just looking at first XI) of 6-7 signings. If we are looking at improving squad as a whole around 10 players. That is seriously what is needed for this mediocre side to be winning leagues and being competitive in champions league otherwise forget about it.. no chance of just expecting Mourinho to turn shit into wine.

Oblak
Aurier Varane Bailly Mendy
Fabinho
Herrera Pogba
Dembele Sanchez Costa

Romero
Aurier Bailly Giminez Mendy
Fabinho Pogba
Rodriguez
Mahrez Benzema Costa
​

1 GK, 3 FB, 2CB, 2 cm, 3 wingers and 1 striker ?