"At a big club, I would have been sacked" - Pep

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

I know it's a turn of phrase and I know exactly what he means. It's borderline petty to highlight it... But damn it's funny;

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39926264

Pep Guardiola 'would have been sacked' by Barcelona & Bayern Munich

Manchester City boss Pep Guardiola says he would have been sacked by former clubs Barcelona and Bayern Munich if he had ended a season without a trophy.

City have failed to win any silverware in Guardiola's debut season, and are not yet guaranteed a top-four Premier League finish, with two games to play.

Guardiola also saw his side lose in the Champions League last 16, FA Cup semi-finals and League Cup fourth round.

"In my situation at a big club, I'm sacked. I'm out," said the Catalan.

"If it is Barcelona and Bayern you don't win and you are out. Here I have a second chance and I will try to do it better next season."

City may have to win both of their final league games to secure third place ahead of Liverpool and Arsenal, and clinch direct qualification into next season's Champions League.

Guardiola's side host eighth-placed West Brom on Tuesday before Sunday's trip to 16th-placed Watford.

A former Barca midfielder, the 46-year-old led the Catalan club to 14 trophies in four years, including three La Liga titles and two Champions Leagues, between 2008 and 2012.

After taking a year-long sabbatical, he joined German giants Bayern in 2013 and won the Bundesliga in each of his three seasons at the Allianz Arena.

Bayern also won the German Cup in two of those seasons, but Guardiola could not steer them past the Champions League semi-finals.

City fans hoped his arrival would lead to their first Premier League title in three seasons, but, despite winning their opening six games, they have faced a battle to finish in the top four.

Fifth-placed Arsenal are hoping to take advantage if City drop points over the next two games, but Guardiola has dismissed Gunners boss Arsene Wenger's concern that "some teams are on holiday".

"I never saw one player in my life go to the pitch and not try to win the game," he said.

"Arsenal play against Sunderland and Everton - one is relegated and one is in the Europa League - so it is the same situation."

 

[Paxi]

From Bluemoon:

He may be right compared to Barca and Bayern , but he is pretty much calling us a small club here.

One of Pep's weaknesses is he doesn't seem to have much respect for us fans in my opinion.

Constantly calling us out on attendance and sometimes atmosphere if I remember correctly.

Poor City fans being called out for having shite fans!

 

[Womp]

He didn't realise how smalltime that club was until he arrived there

 

[tomaldinho1]

In a nutshell, a clever way to call your employer shit and preserve your own reputation.

 

[RW2]

Be honest. . . If United were in City's position, then he wouldn't be getting sacked as MUFC coach either.

Only clubs I can think of that Guardiola is referring to are RM, Barcelona, Bayern, maybe Juventus.

 

[MadMike]

..maybe he's hoping to get sacked? He might not be that bothered and he's happy to receive a massive compensation before heading somewhere else? Like PSG

 

[Abdou0230]

From 2014:

"Pep Guardiola keen on one day becoming Manchester United manager"

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...hester-united-manager-bayern-munich-barcelona

After he left Barcelona I always hoped that he would be our manager. It was a mistake by our management not to even approach him.

 

[breakout67]

Guardiola has gone and pulled a Robinho, he thought he was coming to manage United but then the colours were wrong and the seats were empty. I've never seen a manager so dissapointed at his players before, he's gone from having Busquets and Messi to Fernandinho and Sterling. He used to do drink his bottle of water after his team made a mistake, now he just drops his head.

 

[TheReligion]

The City fans must be fuming.

I don't see the whole Pep thing working out long term.

 

[Zoo]

Maybe he's eyeing a payoff.

 

[Womp]

His first season surely has to be considered a complete failure? Spent the most money out of any manager and apart from the first few weeks, has never really looked like a title-winning team. Not to add, he had arguably the best attack in the league even before he improved it. They were playing some very good stuff before their capitulation half way through the season, last season, too.

If he fails here, it'll really dent his reputation imo. Not as easy doing it without the World's best players in a league that isn't a two or one horse race.

 

[Bojan11]

To be fair that's damning of us too. If he got 4th for us he wouldn't have been sacked too.

 

[AllezLesDiables]

I guess there must have been traffic?

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

His first season surely has to be considered a complete failure?

If he fails here, it'll really dent his reputation imo. Not as easy doing it without the World's best players in a league that isn't a two or one horse race.

One thing for sure is that had he won the League Cup and (potentially) the Europa League he'd be considered a success. Just as Wenger & Klopp would have. Just as Poch would have. Spurs, Liverpool and Arsenal fans would be organizing parades.

Chelsea fans would probably consider it a qualified success but still a disappointing season.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

To be fair that's damning of us too. If he got 4th for us he wouldn't have been sacked too.

Actually thought it was a sly dig at Jose/United but then thought I was being a bit precious.

 

[Tarrou]

trouble in paradise?

 

[Jonno]

The City fans must be fuming.

I don't see the whole Pep thing working out long term.

Me neither. Even if he were to win something I think he would be off somewhere. I think its a mixture of him being completely underwhelmed by how small of a club they actually are in the footballing world and and how tough the Premier League has proven to be.

He hasn't handled the situation very well in my opinion, he's alienating the fans after barely a season. We've seen lesser talented managers like Pelegrini come in and win a PL with minimal fuss, Pep is like a spoilt child not getting his way.

 

[sglowrider]

What's news would be Pep saying that City is a big club.

Why would the City fans be upset? Surely they dont think they are at the level of Barca and Bayern? That would be delusional of an epic proportion.

 

[MullerUtd]

Pep is literally the complete opppsite of Klopp.
I'm starting to warm up to Pep, at least he is honest and not deluded like Klopp.

 

[Zii]

Pep is literally the complete opppsite of Klopp.
I'm starting to warm up to Pep, at least he is honest and not deluded like Klopp.

It's not even just Klopp its every manager. It's like the moment you sign for Liverpool you are given a briefing of how to be a clown and how to appeal to the deluded fans. Every player and manager just becomes this crackpot with a chip on their shoulder

 

[Paolo Di Canio]

Thats right Pep, its alot harder when you do not have the best squad by a mile in the world/league.

 

[Damien]

Be honest. . . If United were in City's position, then he wouldn't be getting sacked as MUFC coach either.

Only clubs I can think of that Guardiola is referring to are RM, Barcelona, Bayern, maybe Juventus.

Yep. Possibly Chelsea too as Abramovich has been a big trigger happy at times.

 

[TheReligion]

What's news would be Pep saying that City is a big club.

Why would the City fans be upset? Surely they dont think they are at the level of Barca and Bayern? That would be delusional of an epic proportion.

Its okay to think it but to actually say it??

Embarrassing and unnecessary.

 

[Badunk]

"So, Pep, why did you choose to manage Manchester City?"

"Money."

 

[Snow]

City fans shouldn't be fuming. He's calling Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs the same because they didn't win anything this season (Arsenal still might).

It's all relative however. At Barcelona he was only competing with one club. At Bayern he was sort of competing with one club for one of his three seasons. Here there are more teams in contention. Sure, ultimately there might be only 2 competing for the title with 10 games left but before the season starts you can't say for sure which clubs are going to be up there or not. Could be 1, 2 or 5.

At Barca and Bayern he inherited complete football teams. I don't think a manager has walked into better club scenarios twice in the history of football than him. At City the team needs tuning. He messed up the defensive aspect, by chucking Hart and putting too much responsibility on ok defenders. He's not going to do the same mistake next season. Problem might not still get fixed but I'm not expecting the same mistakes to be made.

Still, ultimately a disappointing season from them. An FA Cup would have made it "fine" (assuming they finish 3rd).

 

[Ramshock]

 

[stepic]

If he wanted to be more tactful he could have pointed out being at a big club specifically in Spain or Germany would get you fired, because of the lack of competition, whereas in England it's different. Et cetera

 

[marukomu]

Never the wrong time to post this.

"So Pep. What first attracted you to the billionaire Manchester City?"

 

[SteveJ]

Pep doesn't exactly sound very enthusiastic about 'being given a second chance' next season. To me, it reads like he was ambivalent about getting fired by City.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

He is not wrong.

 

[Sky1981]

Yeah pep, yeah.

But in England you get the sack even after you win stuff (cough.. Pelegrini)

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Yeah pep, yeah.

But in England you get the sack even after you win stuff (cough.. Pelegrini)

Happens elsewhere too.

 

[Flytan]

It's clear he bought into the "project" of turning City into a big club along with the money. Naturally after coaching at Bayern and Barca he's going to be underwhelmed by pretty much any other club. Not exactly news to anyone who isn't a delusional City fan. Though I have to say I thought this first season was awful from him. Getting rid of a better keeper and spending loads without a trophy in sight. Not to mention his inability to not criticize City fans in a demeaning manor. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he's gone in the middle of next season if they're not miles better than they are now.

 

[spwd]

He's just realising that just money doesn't make a big club

 

[MullerUtd]

It's not even just Klopp its every manager. It's like the moment you sign for Liverpool you are given a briefing of how to be a clown and how to appeal to the deluded fans. Every player and manager just becomes this crackpot with a chip on their shoulder

I am pretty sure they have been fed with this bullshit Liverpool propaganda in some way and I guess that's also why Hodgson wasn't well-liked by the fans because he didn't buy into their bullshit; but Klopp has taken it to the next level and when he was at Dortmund, I remember him moaning and berating the officials a lot so it's not like Liverpool change him. He was never likeable to begin with and I never understood why so many of our fans wanted him to be our manager. I seriously doubt he has any tactical knowledge at all, he masked his deficiency as a manager with this mad-man passionate image he put up to get away with it.

 

[ShadesOfTomato]

I seriously doubt he has any tactical knowledge at all, he masked his deficiency as a manager with this mad-man passionate image he put up to get away with it.

Yes. You don't win two Bundesliga titles with tactical knowledge, just bucket loads of passion.

 

[MullerUtd]

Yes. You don't win two Bundesliga titles with tactical knowledge, just bucket loads of passion.

Yeah at a time when Bayern Munich was in transition, its basically a two-horse league so its not that hard. His last season at Dortmund was fecking pathetic, his team finished 7th in the league and their fans even revolt at one point. He could have stayed on to rebuild his team but he probably saw it coming that he couldn't compete with Bayern and he chose to resign. Its amazing with how much criticism he seemed to get away with that yet when he took on the Liverpool job, he is revered as some kind of world-class manager coming to England.
He's a fraud.

 

[Giggs86]

When is he finally going to admit that the whole time he thought he had signed for United and that he thought there's only one club in Manchester?

Poor guy probably had the shock of his life when he arrived to Manchester and realized there's another team there.

 

[ShadesOfTomato]

Yeah at a time when Bayern Munich was in transition, its basically a two-horse league so its not that hard. His last season at Dortmund was fecking pathetic, his team finished 7th in the league and their fans even revolt at one point. He could have stayed on to rebuild his team but he probably saw it coming that he couldn't compete with Bayern and he chose to resign. Its amazing with how much criticism he seemed to get away with that yet when he took on the Liverpool job, he is revered as some kind of world-class manager coming to England.
He's a fraud.

This post isn't even worth a reply but I'll give one anyway.

So he deserves no credit for the complete transformation of Dortmund as a club, on a shoestring budget whilst losing some of his best players year after year?

Or for finishing above the world's most expensive squad & (most likely) an established Arsenal side who haven't been out of the top four for two decades?

Is he a fraud or are you just bitter? The answer is clear.

 

[beergod]

I guess they didn't tell him that City is a massive club.