Chelsea under Conte | Let's sign the next Hazard, literally.

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There's always a player revolt at Chelsea, the players there seem to have way too much influence.
 

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This is a United forum & United is pretty shite these days as a team so insularity is both nature and necessity. That said, Antonio is not used to games as open as the likes of Chelsea FA semifinal vs Spurs (you can clearly see how rattled he was) and resources are more widespread in the PL than Serie A. If United win tonight and get the CL spot, they may well invest £300m without a blink. Same for City. That's why being the smartest coach in town may not be enough. However, Chelsea did extremely well this year so very well done and congrats, the road is on the up again.
yes that's true but I think Chelsea will also invest quite a lot of money and there is only so many players you can use anyway. United has already a very good team, it certainly does not need 300 mln to compete at high level, probably a fraction of that with a good manager with good ideas will be more than enough.
We will see what happens next year, my money is still on the control freak :cool:
 

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Its not even June and Chelsea have already pocketed £25m+ for the summer. With potential sales of the likes of Traore, Van Ginkel, Kalas, Kenedy and Pasalic very likely, I can see the total sales getting very close the £100m mark even if Costa does not end up in China.

Could be a massive summer spree where we go toe to toe with the manc clubs. Cant wait for the summer to come.
 

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Its not even June and Chelsea have already pocketed £25m+ for the summer. With potential sales of the likes of Traore, Van Ginkel, Kalas, Kenedy and Pasalic very likely, I can see the total sales getting very close the £100m mark even if Costa does not end up in China.

Could be a massive summer spree where we go toe to toe with the manc clubs. Cant wait for the summer to come.
I am really optimistic about what were going to do this summer, with smart investment & the players continuing to learn with Conte our team could go up to the very top level.
 

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A good team. I want to see how they will do next year in Europe because they are creatively very reliant on Hazard.
 

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Has Conte never managed to win a cup competition?

That's pretty poor
 

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One poster said he'll be shocked if they don't win the title next season.
BS.
They were just very efficient with their chances this season.
Hopefully, they defend their title like they did the last.
 

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A manager who can't play 4 at the back to save his life or his career. He'll be stuck with 3 at the back and pray that midtable teams remain dumb all season that there's actually an easy way to counter it.
 

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It might not have made much of a difference at the end but subbing Costa off made no sense, he was their most threatening player.
 

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I think they will fight for TOP 4 next season. I wasn't really impressed by them this season. They had a clear advantage over other teams by not playing in europe and they were very clinical with their chances, scoring pretty much everything they create.
 

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I think they will fight for TOP 4 next season. I wasn't really impressed by them this season. They had a clear advantage over other teams by not playing in europe and they were very clinical with their chances, scoring pretty much everything they create.
Never seen anything like it. So many matches where they scored literally their first chance of the game.
 

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Why on earth did he take Costa off for Batshuayi? They needed to throw everything at Arsenal and he takes off the only player that was troubling Ospina! Should have taken Kante off and really gone all out for it in the last few minutes.
 

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If Costa leaves and with the fixtures coming thicker and faster than this season, I think they'll make top 4 but not challenge. Ofcourse it depends on the transfers too and when the inevitable player revolt occurs.
 

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Have a feeling they won't find things as easy next season. Looks like teams have figured out how to counter their tactics.
 

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A manager who can't play 4 at the back to save his life or his career. He'll be stuck with 3 at the back and pray that midtable teams remain dumb all season that there's actually an easy way to counter it.
yes so dumb that he has won the last 6 leagues in a row, (he has taken part to) and will comfortably win the 7th too IMO
 

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The effects of this game could be profound and long lasting. We all know that those players have no problem downing tools.
 

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One bad game and now everyone thinks they suck.
Not so much that, but they weren't so amazing this season. Best team, sure. They never really felt the pressure because the other teams struggled to get their shit together.
 

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He's still great but tbf, he needs to be more flexible because at the moment his tactical plan is completely exposed and not that hard to be countered.

Chelsea is 100% dependent on the width and flanks. From the midfield they have no threat at all with Matic and Kante. The midfield only purpose for them is to pass the ball to the flanks to do the job. Close the flanks completely to them to force them play through the middle and they're done for. Conte's only solution is to introduce Fabregas instead of Matic or Kante and this will open space behind their defense, also easily countered by adding another midfield.

Their formation is easy to read and easy to counter. Another thing is their bench is terrible and only has Fabre and Willian as solutions.

Conte needs to be more flexible and Chelsea needs at least 6 players in summer.
 

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Let's see how we go against them next season when we don't play 18-20 games more than them!

Liverpool also having Europe makes the top 6 a little more balanced workload wise.
 

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He's still great but tbf, he needs to be more flexible because at the moment his tactical plan is completely exposed and not that hard to be countered.
And yet nobody seemed to figure it out in time to stop them winning the league.
 

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Not so much that, but they weren't so amazing this season. Best team, sure. They never really felt the pressure because the other teams struggled to get their shit together.
they won 14 in a row. and 30 wins in the epl. An epl where even. Sunderland can get a draw out of you. They were amazing in the league. spurs got 86 points and still came up short. Hard to be dismissive of that
 

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They won 30 out of 38 games. Which would suggest that when Chelsea play the system to it's fullest, it's incredibly effective.
No one said it wasn't effective, it was, till its weakness becomes painfully obvious to everyone.

They deserve the league but if they continued with exactly the same setup next season it's not going to be an easy ride by any means.

They need more players to add more attacking threat from the midfield, so that Conte can tweak his setup when the flanks are closed on him.
 

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Not so much that, but they weren't so amazing this season. Best team, sure. They never really felt the pressure because the other teams struggled to get their shit together.
Dude, you are berating their achievement, as if winning the league is trivial.
They were brilliant this season and did something which MUFC have spent £100Ms and used several managers trying to achieve, while failing.
Winning the EPL is one of the most difficult tasks in European football. Ask the all conquering Guardiola. Ask LFC, who won the CL about 12 years ago (?), but haven't won the league in decades.
 

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No one said it wasn't effective, it was, till its weakness becomes painfully obvious to everyone.

They deserve the league but if they continued with exactly the same setup next season it's not going to be an easy ride by any means.

They need more players to add more attacking threat from the midfield, so that Conte can tweak his setup when the flanks are closed on him.
I'm not disputing that. But more games and injuries will contribute, should they find themselves stuttering next season.

It's not a 'weak' system, far from it. The most PL wins in a season, is testament to that. Tottenham showed the blueprint as to how to beat Chelsea as far back as January, but nobody could emulate their approach and performance - because few teams can.

Chelsea have been exceptional this season.
 

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We live in a day in age where Chelsea can remember to stop a game of football on the 26th minute to give their egotistical captain a guard of honor and yet less than a week later "forgot" to wear black armbands to show respect after Monday's attack in Manchester.

Chelsea fecking football club that.
 

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I'm not disputing that. But more games and injuries will contribute, should they find themselves stuttering next season.

It's not a 'weak' system, far from it. The most PL wins in a season, is testament to that. Tottenham showed the blueprint as to how to beat Chelsea as far back as January, but nobody could emulate their approach and performance - because few teams can.

Chelsea have been exceptional this season.
I don't remember me saying it's weak, it's not flexible, though. That's why I said they need more players that can provide attacking threat from the midfield so that Conte can change his approach if they're countered, not being 100 % dependent on the flanks like now.

Conte himself understands this imo and that's why he's pressing to get more transfers in the summer.
 

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Dude, you are berating their achievement, as if winning the league is trivial.
They were brilliant this season and did something which MUFC have spent £100Ms and used several managers trying to achieve, while failing.
Winning the EPL is one of the most difficult tasks in European football. Ask the all conquering Guardiola. Ask LFC, who won the CL about 12 years ago (?), but haven't won the league in decades.
I'm not belittling the achievement, they were the best team and worth winners for sure. Just saying, in 15 years time nobody will remember this Chelsea side.
 

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I don't remember me saying it's weak, it's not flexible, though. That's why I said they need more players that can provide attacking threat from the midfield so that Conte can change his approach if they're countered, not being 100 % dependent on the flanks like now.

Conte himself understands this imo and that's why he's pressing to get more transfers in the summer.
Yep, appreciate that.

And of course, Chelsea need to find other ways of playing next season.

But as a system, it's one of the strongest I have ever seen - that's what I'm getting it. When played to it's fullest, it's near perfect.
 

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Losing the final is a bummer but a little less worried about next season now.

Pretty sure the club goes out and gets 3-4 new starters this summer. If it goes alright, we should be challenging not only for the leauge but CL too.
 

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Losing the final is a bummer but a little less worried about next season now.

Pretty sure the club goes out and gets 3-4 new starters this summer. If it goes alright, we should be challenging not only for the leauge but CL too.
I'm not sure you'll be challenging for the CL without a bit of a revamp tbh
 

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I'm not sure you'll be challenging for the CL without a bit of a revamp tbh
Yeah I meant 4 new players worth in the region of £180-200m. Thats as much of a revamp as any team can handle in a summer.

That said, without new players we might struggle to make top4.