Madrid "robbed" us by paying 80 million for Ronaldo

[shamans]

I am massive Ronaldo fan (and so would tend to overrate his impact at Madrid) but why do people keep saying 80 million was a steal for them?

Back in 2009 this was a ridiculous amount of money. It smashed the world record! If you even consider the fact he wanted to leave anyway that was a lot of money we got for him. I really don't understand people saying the price was a steal?

 

[KM]

Also consider the fact that it was given to us in a lumpsum rather than installments which is the norm which further magnifies the value.

 

[Trigg]

Have you seen whats he's done since he left?!

 

[Kostur]

Because people think that the same fecking prices went around 8 years ago, Fergie said it 'waen't enuf' and this forum is in a fecking freefall as of late.

 

[MikeUpNorth]

In retrospect, it was a bargain to get the peak years of one of the greatest players of all time. Possibly the most successfully transfer of all time.

However, paying so much for a player is always a big risk, just look at what happened with Kaka. If Ronaldo had got a major injury after a couple of months and never quite been the same player again, it'd be seen as us robbing them.

 

[Varun]

Because hindsight is 20/20 and caftards specialise in it

 

[TsuWave]

Have you seen whats he's done since he left?!

That doesn't make Real paying 80mill for him in 2009 "robbery". We got an amazing record breaking fee. Ronaldo sale pretty much fecked up the transfer market and it has never recovered since.

 

[Crimson King]

It turned out to be a good deal for them because he continued to improve, delivered the goods and stayed a long time while rarely being injured.

It's a risk to spend so much money on one player. They did the same with Bale and he's been a complete waste of money if you compare him to Ronaldo.

Hopefully in 5 or so years we can look back and say the money we paid to Juventus for Pogba was a 'steal'.

 

[Man-United]

We robbed Leeds when we signed Cantona... Same shit, can't compare now to 2009.

 

[groovyalbert]

We didn't help matters by replacing him with Owen, Obertan and the admittedly successful Valencia.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Ronaldo robbed us with his crying and sulking that he wants to go in madrid. Because of that we lost advantage in negotiations. Also in those times 90mi was 150 mil today.

Edit: club big as man utd should never sell his best players. No matter how that player wants to leave. It is not maybe nice to say but football is business . Not just a game. If you have one of the best players in the world and you are one of the biggest clubs in the world you just don't sell your best players. I blame fergie for that. He shoukd play hard ball.

 

[Sassy Colin]

That doesn't make Real paying 80mill for him in 2009 "robbery". We got an amazing record breaking fee. Ronaldo sale pretty much fecked up the transfer market and it has never recovered since.

I disagree about him fecking up the transfer market. The record stood for 7 years and no other player got anywhere near that fee, apart from Bale, in the intervening period.

What fecks up the transfer market is Sky and their crazy TV deals.

 

[darioterios]

Ronaldo robbed us with his crying and sulking that he wants to go in madrid. Because of that we lost advantage in negotiations. Also in those times 90mi was 150 mil today.

Edit: club big as man utd should never sell his best players. No matter how that player wants to leave. It is not maybe nice to say but football is business . Not just a game. If you have one of the best players in the world and you are one of the biggest clubs in the world you just don't sell your best players. I blame fergie for that. He shoukd play hard ball.

suggestions for management how to deal with this case then?

 

[izec]

We wouldnt have gotten a higher fee, some people are just...

Ronaldo stayed another season and we as a club rarely keep players from not getting their dream moves, nothing we could have done about it. It was a world record fee and we werent in a good position.

 

[AndyJ1985]

At the time it was a reasonable price. It's easy to argue it in hindsight, but hindsight is 20/20 and not worth discussing.

 

[Striker10]

I wanted us to ask for 100million but even that would have been cheap lol.

 

[Striker10]

suggestions for management how to deal with this case then?

Tell Madrid to make their offers by Fax....

 

[yumtum]

We can only hope Pogba has the same type of impact for us! This is why I think Neymar at 150m would be a bargain for us long term, in terms of marketing, ability on the pitch, and the draw we'd have to younger Brazilians who want to emulate the potentially greatest Brazilian footballer ever (obviously the chances of that happening are slim, but if Neymar smashes the Brazilian scoring record and wins them a world cup...).

 

[Tribec]

At the time I was disappointed in the price as I had been when we sold Beckham and RVN to them previously. I think on both of those occasions we could have got at least an extra £10m for each of them. However, with Ronaldo we could have easily asked for £100m and got that from them, they were so desperate for him. Yes, any transfer is a risk, but you couldn't see Ronaldo doing nothing but improve when he left, the only thing stopping him would be a huge injury, but that's the same for any player though.

 

[Dante]

The old world record transfer fee was £56m. Getting £80m was great business in that context.

The fact is, Real never would have paid a penny more. Which would have meant that we'd have refused to sell Ronaldo that Summer, breaking the promise that Fergie had made to him a year earlier. CR would have sulked for an entire year. His level would have dropped and we'd have sold him for even less the next window. It was £80m or bust.

The sale was absolutely the right thing to do AND at the right price.

If anything, we 'robbed' Leeds for Cantona. He was the catalyst to turn us into the most successful team in England and the richest club in the world. The value that he added to Manchester United was worth over a billion pounds.

You win some, you lose. Overall, United are winning.

 

[tomaldinho1]

FFS this applies any transfer that worked out well with hindsight, such a pointless thread.

For what it is worth, I think it was a cracking deal. Still 3rd highest fee of all time for a player that had openly wanted to move for a few seasons.

 

[Mr.Plow]

It was a world record fee by some distance for a player who wanted to leave. We could have done some serious investment with that money had Fergie wanted to.

 

[Wayne's World]

We weren't robbed.....we just didn't spend the money like a top club and we ended up going backwards in the long run unlike Madrid who are well managed and have matched our European total in a space of 4 years....

 

[flappyjay]

Had we invested the money wisely it wouldn't matter much. Had we bought Snijder and Robben/ribery that summer we probably would have won another ucl and been a bit more content. But now we are just watching Ronnie break ucl records for Madrid

 

[AndyJ1985]

We weren't robbed.....we just didn't spend the money like a top club and we ended up going backwards in the long run unlike Madrid who are well managed and have matched our European total in a space of 4 years....

Correct. I don't know whether it was the Glazer's or Ferguson to blame, but it was disgraceful that we didn't invest the Ronaldo money on better players. What was it, Obertan, Owen and Valencia? As you say we went backwards after that.

 

[Scarecrow]

It's just a way to express how great of a player he is. I don't think many people actually care about the money.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Correct. I don't know whether it was the Glazer's or Ferguson to blame, but it was disgraceful that we didn't invest the Ronaldo money on better players. What was it, Obertan, Owen and Valencia? As you say we went backwards after that.

Won the league title and made it back to the CL final only a year later. And I will always make this point we could not do much better than someone like Valencia to "replace" Ronaldo. He was one of the best wingers around them. We would only be able to properly replace Ronaldo if we signed Messi.

 

[Andycoleno9]

suggestions for management how to deal with this case then?

They should go in munchen on instructions. Remember ribery? That or next summer he wanted also in madrid. They told him - you have contract. You can spend next two years outside squad and watch games from the stand or you can do your job. Train and play.
That is the way how you do it. Without emotions. Strictly business.

 

[POF]

It wasn't robbery but even at the time it didn't seem like enough. Real basically promised their fans they would get him and contractually, United had no reason to sell. After the previous nonsense the relationship between the clubs wasn't good.

United held all of the cards and could basically name their price. They just didn't name one that was high enough. They definitely could have got more.

 

[Yagami]

Hindsight, it was daylight robbery.

At the time, it was fine, and I personally still think it is. Especially as we could've sold him a season earlier for more but instead we kept him for another year, won another league, which we might not have won without him meaning Liverpool could've won it.

 

[RAVred]

The old world record transfer fee was £56m. Getting £80m was great business in that context.

The fact is, Real never would have paid a penny more. Which would have meant that we'd have refused to sell Ronaldo that Summer, breaking the promise that Fergie had made to him a year earlier. CR would have sulked for an entire year. His level would have dropped and we'd have sold him for even less the next window. It was £80m or bust.

The sale was absolutely the right thing to do AND at the right price.

If anything, we 'robbed' Leeds for Cantona. He was the catalyst to turn us into the most successful team in England and the richest club in the world. The value that he added to Manchester United was worth over a billion pounds.

You win some, you lose. Overall, United are winning.

this... Cantona was a more succesful transfer then CR7's to Madrid. Magnitude of his impact on United is underrated, he helped establish the mentality United under fergie became famous for, he was the first player that acted and knew he was meant to be a champion in everything he did that we got

 

[RedStarUnited]

It wasn't robbery but even at the time it didn't seem like enough. Real basically promised their fans they would get him and contractually, United had no reason to sell. After the previous nonsense the relationship between the clubs wasn't good.

United held all of the cards and could basically name their price. They just didn't name one that was high enough. They definitely could have got more.

Thank you!

I will never forget when the news broke out that we accepted the bid. I felt 80m was still not enough in those days.

 

[Cal?]

Compared to what they paid for Kaka, we were clearly robbed

 

[shamans]

FFS this applies any transfer that worked out well with hindsight, such a pointless thread.

For what it is worth, I think it was a cracking deal. Still 3rd highest fee of all time for a player that had openly wanted to move for a few seasons.

You clearly didn't read what I wrote..

 

[Xaviesta]

I don't agree that United were robbed. Sure in hindsight it may look that way but at the time, i think 80m was a fair price for the then Ballon D'or holder, best player in the Premier League the best youngish player Madrid could attain at that time. Today, you'd be looking at getting 150m+ for him but in 2009, i think 80m upfront was reasonable.

 

[Siorac]

Won the league title and made it back to the CL final only a year later. And I will always make this point we could not do much better than someone like Valencia to "replace" Ronaldo. He was one of the best wingers around them. We would only be able to properly replace Ronaldo if we signed Messi.

We still could and should have invested that money better. Fergie's transfer dealings in his last few years were very erratic and contributed to the problems we've been having since. We had and still have too many players who "can do a job" and don't really have a core of reliable, class players. Fergie could work with that because he was a fecking genius but a lesser - and less "powerful" and respected - manager can't.

 

[Drainy]

All sides can be happy. We paid down a lot of our debt with a record fee for a player who wanted to leave, the player got the transfer he wanted and Real Madrid got a player that took them to the next level.

 

[Eire Red United]

Of course it was a steal. You can't put a price on players like Ronaldo and he hadn't had his heart set on Madrid no amount of money would have persuaded us to sell.

 

[Pexbo]

It was 8 years ago and turned out to be good value for them. An equivalent bid now would be something like £200m and with Ronaldo pushing to move and agreeing a deal of another season before moving with Fergie, it would be a great deal.

 

[starman]

Lots of people said he would fail and it was the otherway round, we were fleecing them getting so much. Few would have predicted he would turn into the player he has.