Chelsea under Conte | Let's sign the next Hazard, literally.

[duffer]

The situation looks similar to the one that got Mourinho sacked. If the players stop responding to Conte, what is he going to do? The Spanish/Brazilian contingent might not be impressed with the way he treated Costa.

If we're tenth halfway though the season, then he'll get sacked. It's far too early to be talking about the situation looking similar that season. We've played 2, lost 1 in a pretty mental game and won 1 away to a potential title rival.

I doubt the the Spanish/Brazilian players give two shits about Costa's antics, they're all used to them by now. As for "the way he's been treated", I'm sure they know exactly what happened and that's why not a single one has said or done anything remotely in support of Diego. They're more likely to be glad that lunatic is not around than gutted he's not there.

 

[SirMattBugsby]

If we're tenth halfway though the season, then he'll get sacked. It's far too early to be talking about the situation looking similar that season. We've played 2, lost 1 in a pretty mental game and won 1 away to a potential title rival.

I doubt the the Spanish/Brazilian players give two shits about Costa's antics, they're all used to them by now. As for "the way he's been treated", I'm sure they know exactly what happened and that's why not a single one has said or done anything remotely in support of Diego. They're more likely to be glad that lunatic is not around than gutted he's not there.

Fair enough. He is an annoying prick but it also helped Chelsea win a lot of close games. Somebody will have to assume the role that Costa's personality played on the pitch. Maybe David Luiz?

 

[tommkell]

I think you're going way over the top with this criticism. He has a passion for the game. I'm sure you remember Jose running down the touch line when Porto scored against Utd in the CL. He also has a passion for the game. Making out Conte would enjoy beating disabled people is just sick. I suggest you reel in that imagination.

Jose had just beaten united in the champions league with a late goal, I've seen Conte wildly celebrating meaningless goals against much weaker opposition. Makes me think he's a prick, that's all. Also, who the feck are you? The imagination police? If you're gonna be so sensitive and touchy about me making a joke about the Chelsea manager maybe a Man United forum isn't the place for you.

 

[Don _ Conte]

The situation looks similar to the one that got Mourinho sacked. If the players stop responding to Conte, what is he going to do? The Spanish/Brazilian contingent might not be impressed with the way he treated Costa.

I don't know if things have changed with Terry leaving, but player power has often been a major factor in Chelsea's managerial decisions. I'm not saying it will happen, but Conte needs to be careful. Let's see what tactical innovation he makes this time

Agreed it is similar in the respect there probably has been some trouble and that the manager hasn't been fully backed with targets. However the season before Mou got sacked we were gradually playing worse and worse and never recovered from it really. Whereas last season we finished strong.

The spurs game showed it isn't quite the same situation, the fight and togetherness that they showed for Conte didn't appear once in the 14/15 season and the players never backed him like that. On top of that Conte seems happy now he has accepted this is the squad he has to work with, a lot of the high tension during the summer from him was to pressurise the board I think he has now realised that the board have received the message and are doing there best in the last 9 days we have left (whether it will be good enough I'm not sure).

Conte coming out recently and speaking of his family moving to London and how he wants to be there when we move to our new stadium shows that maybe the media are painting an easy picture of it being similar to 14/15.

 

[SteveJ]

Already confirmed by Matt law and various strong Chelsea journo's that the tuchel rumour is completely fabricated. Also hearing Chelsea would have to pay a huge fee to sack him so think its very unlikely, the only way is if conte walks away from it. Which I don't think will happen as he appears likely and I think we will have another good season.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

Shaving Conte would be a cruel and unusual punishment for Conte. Chelsea have been ruthless with managers in the past but we'd not stoop that low.

You did sack Ancellotti to be fair. I suppose he got the entire second season but he was politically far more amiable than Conte has been.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

To be fair to them the 2nd half against Burnley and the game against Spurs proves the players haven't given up on Conte the way they gave up on Jose.

You can question whether they have the quality to win the Title this season but I don't think we'll see them implode again.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

To be fair to them the 2nd half against Burnley and the game against Spurs proves the players haven't given up on Conte the way they gave up on Jose.

You can question whether they have the quality to win the Title this season but I don't think we'll see them implode again.

Reckon they probably would have beaten Burnley if Cahill hadn't gotten sent off. If that was the case 6 points including a hard match against Spurs, then they would be feeling a lot better than they may do right now.

 

[ValenciasDrilledCrosses]

You did sack Ancellotti to be fair. I suppose he got the entire second season but he was politically far more amiable than Conte has been.

He was making a joke about the original post writing 'shaving' instead of 'sacking'. Guess nobody caught it

 

[FlawlessThaw]

He was making a joke about the original post writing 'shaving' instead of 'sacking'. Guess nobody caught it

Completely missed me by! Thought it was a typo. Though let's be honest Roman Abramovich has probably stooped that low before..

 

[TheMagicFoolBus]

You must admit though that the way he fell about laughing at Costa's continued ostracisation was absolutely chilling.

Think that was more to do with the absolute drivel of Costa's statements and the absurd way that he's tried to paint himself as a pariah. If you take all the facts into account, his story holds no water whatsoever and blattering on about a text message as though it's some sort of massive affront is just silly.

Here's a brief timeline:

-The summer after his first season, Costa wanted to leave, he showed up fat and out of shape and the season was a catastrophe. Mourinho sacked, etc etc.

-Next summer, Conte shows up. Costa tries to leave again. He's at least fit this time, largely thanks to Conte's training regimen. Starts the season incredibly, plays at the best level of his career, among the best strikers in Europe.

-This past January, he tries to leave again. Conte is apoplectic that he would pull this nonsense and compromise the team. At this point Conte has decided that he's had enough of Costa's shite and he wants him gone, but not in the middle of the season. Club agrees to let him leave in the summer if he drops the issue for now, so he comes back into the team. Sulks quite a bit and plays far worse than he did in the first half of the season.

-Atletico Madrid get transfer banned so he can't go there. Chinese clubs impose a huge tariff on foreign players signing. Whoops!

-Conte sends a text to all his players saying to the effect of "Great job, enjoy your holidays, but for the love of all that is holy stay fit unlike last time" along with various exercises that he wants them to do. Costa responds "feck off I'm on vacation, I'll do whatever I like". At which point Conte responds with the famous "Well, good luck with that, thanks for the seasono, get as fat as you like since you're not in my plans anyway".

And now, Costa is trying to make himself the victim here??? He's tried to leave for years now, he nearly derailed a title campaign, but because he received confirmation of information that he'd known about for 6 months over text message we're supposed to feel sorry for him? I'm not having that at all.

 

[TheReligion]

Best get used to it I think, that's the way it goes with fans. Always trying to one up each other!

You'll find that a lot of fans (myself included) were irritated with Matic even last year because he was okay but not spectacular for us. So I think you'll have to forgive some people if they said he was useless (though that is a bit harsh) when signing for United. But it just seems that the different role in your team and maybe more enthusiasm in general is making him very impressive again so far.

And yeah I don't care to get drawn into Mourinho vs Conte, Lukaku vs Morata, etc, etc. They're all good and working out for their respective clubs.

That's a fair post mate.

 

[::sonny::]

Ready to be fired, it's interesting.

Extended the contract 10 days ago

 

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[berbatrick]

Completely missed me by! Thought it was a typo. Though let's be honest Roman Abramovich has probably stooped that low before..

His fiasco of a beard definitely needs shaving.

 

[Moonred]

I'd be interested in seeing what Conte does in Europe. Underachieved repeatedly with Juve. Mental if Chelsea are even thinking of sacking him and I doubt it's going to happen.

 

[::sonny::]

He cries every day for not having enough players, after having sent 20 players on loan and having spent 150 million on the market, loss diego costa in that miserable way,

the sacking would be more than a correct decision

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[TheMagicFoolBus]

He cries every day for not having enough players, after having sent 20 players on loan and having spent 150 million on the market, loss diego costa in that miserable way,

the sacking would be more than a correct decision

Don't feed the troll lads

 

[D2Z]

He cries every day for not having enough players, after having sent 20 players on loan and having spent 150 million on the market, loss diego costa in that miserable way,

the sacking would be more than a correct decision

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[Theafonis]

Tuchel is socially awkward and can't seem to achieve basic communications. I can't see him succeeding abroad

 

[Theafonis]

He cries every day for not having enough players, after having sent 20 players on loan and having spent 150 million on the market, loss diego costa in that miserable way,

the sacking would be more than a correct decision

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Yeah. A correct decision for the rest of the league.

Keeping Conte long term is the best thing we could do right now

 

[Theafonis]

I'd be interested in seeing what Conte does in Europe. Underachieved repeatedly with Juve. Mental if Chelsea are even thinking of sacking him and I doubt it's going to happen.

Our squad is far too small for any European success

 

[Kentonio]

Our squad is far too small for any European success

I don't remember it being that huge when we won it.

 

[Mindhunter]

We shouldn't compare Chelsea's treatment of previous managers with how they are going to deal with Conte. There are clear signals that Abramovic wants to run the club with greater financial prudence and that means success through stability and through promising players with high potential who would grow into stars.

A managerial sacking would mean that he will need to write off all the progress they have made under Conte - and get in an interim manager. Not to mention, the new manager will demand an obnoxious amount of money to rebuild the team according to his style and taste.

 

[TheReligion]

I think Chelsea will struggle with that group in the CL..

 

[TheMagicFoolBus]

I think Chelsea will struggle with that group in the CL..

Yeah it's potentially a tough one. One thing to consider though is that I reckon Conte will have a better handle on how to cope with Roma than Simeone, and I also think the loss of Salah is a big one for them as he was key to the way they played last year. Thus I think Atleti are a bit more likely to drop points against Roma than we are potentially.

Atleti are always a tough proposition to play against, but I think we can match their energy in midfield with Kante and Bakayoko. I'm sure they'll have learned from the way you marked Hazard out of the game last year, so someone else will have to step up in a big way offensively for Chelsea.

I feel good about our odds of making it through but not great about our prospects of winning the group if I'm being honest.

 

[blue blue]

Jose had just beaten united in the champions league with a late goal, I've seen Conte wildly celebrating meaningless goals against much weaker opposition. Makes me think he's a prick, that's all. Also, who the feck are you? The imagination police? If you're gonna be so sensitive and touchy about me making a joke about the Chelsea manager maybe a Man United forum isn't the place for you.

I'm a football fan and have every right to be here. If you think making a joke about somebody at the expense of disabled people is funny maybe you should be banned from this site.
I'm perfectly happy to have sensible discussions with decent football fans but you are so biased you fail to see the similarities between Conte and Jose. They are both enthusiastic managers and have both been known to celebrate "wildly" yet you just make personal insults against Conte.
I come to this site because the majority of posters are genuine football fans with a sense of integrity. In fact I have often felt that Man Utd is a club with integrity.

Maybe a Man Utd forum isn't the place for you.

 

[Kentonio]

I think Chelsea will struggle with that group in the CL..

Can't see why we would. Atletico are always tough, but Roma shouldn't bother us, and Qsfihsoifduhsf or whatever they're called arent exactly terrifying.

 

[blue blue]

It will be interesting to see the date of the away leg against Qalakebab, or whatever their name is, because it looks like 5 hour plane journey.

 

[tommkell]

I'm a football fan and have every right to be here. If you think making a joke about somebody at the expense of disabled people is funny maybe you should be banned from this site.
I'm perfectly happy to have sensible discussions with decent football fans but you are so biased you fail to see the similarities between Conte and Jose. They are both enthusiastic managers and have both been known to celebrate "wildly" yet you just make personal insults against Conte.
I come to this site because the majority of posters are genuine football fans with a sense of integrity. In fact I have often felt that Man Utd is a club with integrity.

Maybe a Man Utd forum isn't the place for you.

I never said there weren't similarities between Mourinho and Conte, of course there are. All I did was make a tongue in cheek albeit extreme example of Contes mental cringe celebrations regardless of occasion or opponent. I'm sorry if it hurt your feelings but this is a Man United forum, if I can't do it here then where can I?
Superb piece of brown-nosing at the end of your post btw, bravo.

 

[The Outsider]

Conte reminds me of a baboon when he celebrates a goal yet compared to JM I appreciate his careful press conferences and lack of barbs to other clubs and managers

 

[Kentonio]

yet compared to JM I appreciate his careful press conferences and lack of barbs to other clubs and managers

I used to enjoy his jabs at other clubs and managers (childish though it was), but once it reached the point of being self-destructive it had gone way too far. Especially the Eva fiasco.

 

[blue blue]

The most insulting JM comment I can remember was when he called Wenger a "Voyeur" and "an expert in failure". At the time I thought it embarrassing and actually felt a bit sorry for Wenger. I'm not sure Jose fully understood the connotations implied by "Voyeur" but it bordered on calling him a pervert.

The reality is that most Chelsea fans forgave Jose his barbed comments while the success was happening but looking back now you can see he frequently overstepped the mark.

I'm glad to say that Conte seems to have a bit more respect for his fellow managers and his "wild" celebrations are a result of his passion for the game and not a deliberate attempt to wind up the opposition. He could easily have expressed anger at Belgium calling up Hazard at todays presser but he only expressed his "surprise". I for one am furious that Belgium should do this when he has only just started to train after a serious injury that occurred playing for them back in June.

 

[The Outsider]

The most insulting JM comment I can remember was when he called Wenger a "Voyeur" and "an expert in failure". At the time I thought it embarrassing and actually felt a bit sorry for Wenger. I'm not sure Jose fully understood the connotations implied by "Voyeur" but it bordered on calling him a pervert.

The reality is that most Chelsea fans forgave Jose his barbed comments while the success was happening but looking back now you can see he frequently overstepped the mark.

The other remark I recall and was probably just before he left the first time was a European match at home when a couple of key players were not fit and he talked about not winning anything with bad eggs. It seemed to be a dig at the board but also seemed insulting for the players on the pitch. I also recall him playing Terry upfront when we had other attacking players on the bench almost as though he was willing to risk a match to make his point.

 

[blue blue]

The other remark I recall and was probably just before he left the first time was a European match at home when a couple of key players were not fit and he talked about not winning anything with bad eggs. It seemed to be a dig at the board but also seemed insulting for the players on the pitch. I also recall him playing Terry upfront when we had other attacking players on the bench almost as though he was willing to risk a match to make his point.

Last season he got into trouble following his comments about the ref after the Liverpool game. He can't help himself sometimes.

He lives on the edge and if things start to go wrong he tends to blame others, be it the ref, the board or his players. He called out a number of MUFC players last season notably Shaw. They have started quite well this season so things are relatively quiet so far.

To get back on thread I think the talk of unrest at Chelsea is overstated. The reaction of the players and Conte after the Spurs victory said a lot for me. The players would have been very happy with a victory at what is probably their hardest fixture. The unity on the pitch was there for all to see. A depleted team did a job on a very good side and if Morata can get a goal this weekend he will start to settle. I fancy our chances against Everton who have played midweek. After that we can look forward to Hazard coming back into the team and that will make a big difference.

 

[The Outsider]

I expect us to beat Everton too and then the media spotlight will probably shift I suspect to Bilic unless he can get a win or maybe Pep if City do not get three points.

 

[Kentonio]

Hazard has been called up by the Belgian national team, the fecking cnuts. I'm starting to really hate them. He's just suffered a serious injury, sustained while playing for them, and now they want to rush him back before he's even declared properly recovered by the people who pay his fecking salary for games against Gibraltar and Greece? Absolute wankers.

 

[The Outsider]

Hazard has been called up by the Belgian national team, the fecking cnuts. I'm starting to really hate them. He's just suffered a serious injury, sustained while playing for them, and now they want to rush him back before he's even declared properly recovered by the people who pay his fecking salary for games against Gibraltar and Greece? Absolute wankers.

I suspect Martinez has a grudge against us, he wouldn't be the first.

 

[Theafonis]

I suspect Martinez has a grudge against us, he wouldn't be the first.

Martinez said the club allowed Hazard to be called up

I'm thinking it allows Hazard to regain match fitness and get a run of minutes as he hasn't exactly played since May. This is basically his preseason

 

[TheMagicFoolBus]

Martinez said the club allowed Hazard to be called up

I'm thinking it allows Hazard to regain match fitness and get a run of minutes as he hasn't exactly played since May. This is basically his preseason

I'd be fine with him playing against Gibraltar as that's more or less a friendly but if he sees any time against the hatchet men of Greece I'm liable to lose my mind.