Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added

[el3mel]

Its' basically ABM for some. Anyone But Mourinho.

Sarri, Silva, Pochettino - managers who are yet to win anything significant are being touted over Jose who has atleast won silverware already for us. The first two will wilt under the pressure if they manage us. Of these, Pochettino shows promise, but there's no guarantee he will get our current average players like Mata, Herrera, Valencia, Young etc to play like Spurs are currently playing.

People suggesting Silva are ridiculous.

However I'll have to say Poch will be a perfect fit here but I don't want him now. We need Jose for at least 2 years more till he finish rebuilding the team, win the league once then we can get Poch after to continue.

 

[royboy16]

We have many average players who are just not good enough and many who now look like they are stealing wages. I understand Jose is a fan of the group of players he has now but he has to be realistic and ask himself, the players he has, are they any good to win him the title.
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We surely could have got a better fullback than Darmian and Young, we surely could have got a better number 10 than Lingard or even Mata. I fully understand that no point replacing one average with other but we can easily improve on some of the personnel we have. I know it is not easy and this is not like playing Fifa and all but Jose must take tough calls moving forward.



Nothing to do with City, jose since coming has sold just 4 first team players or if you can call the likes of Memphis that. 4 is way too less considering number of average players we have. I understand the concept of squad players but to have 7 or 8 of that is not correct. We could have easily upgraded on Darmian and Young. Same with Mata/Lingard. One could argue even Jones who every united fan under the sun knows how injury prone he is.

Point is too much trust has been shown by jose by keeping some average players.

How do we know Jose didn't want to get rid of some of them ?
Pretty sure Woodward mentioned something during the season that there wouldn't be as much as a clear out this season.This could be based on Jose's feedback to Woodward or the board made this decision.

Of course you could be right in that maybe he doesnt trust them and he's got one hand tied behind his back and has to work with what he has.

 

[United_We_Stand]

Custis says Mourinho flung his coat to the floor in rage after Huddersfield defeat

JOSE MOURINHO flung his coat to the floor as he tore into Manchester United’s flops after their Huddersfield horror show.
The Old Trafford boss flipped in the dressing room for the first time since taking over after his side crashed 2-1.
And he made it clear players’ futures were on the line if there is any repeat of the performance.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4751467/jose-mourinho-manchester-united-huddersfield/

 

[roonster09]

Well if info is true, it seems City did with PG.

Yeah there were rumors and if those are correct then they did very bad job isn't it, considering Pep had to change almost whole team.

 

[Borden]

Custis says Mourinho flung his coat to the floor in rage after Huddersfield defeat

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4751467/jose-mourinho-manchester-united-huddersfield/

Good. Nip this in the bud right away.

 

[fellaini's barber]

I meant giving money to LvG to buy his type of players, then make them learn his way, just so we can jump to JM with opposite way of play or at least not even close to LvG, there is no vision in that. Also guess because of that, it seems levels below first team doing their own thing.



Well if info is true, it seems City did with PG.

We did, apart from Martial they were all average/shite and we're struggling to clear them off

 

[fellaini's barber]

The 'Pep inherited a better squad' thing is just absolute nonesense imo. Unless people feel if we had hired Pep he'd be playing fecking Darmian/Young as fullback and Fellaini in midfield and having players like Lingard who we all know is shite running around the pitch doing nothing for any reason. The guy knows the kind of players he wants, told the one he did not want to piss off and bought those he wanted. Kolarov, Mangala,Nasri,Bony, these guys were all on huge money too but he somehow found a way to get rid of them yet people talk about difficult it is to get rid of players like Young and Lingard despite the fact that some of these players are looking like key players for him. The man likes those players and felt they'd be good enough for the job, it's nobody else's fault but his that he was dead wrong about that after working with them for two seasons. The truth is Mourinho got 3 of the signings he wanted so nobody should be making that 'our squad is shit' excuse for him. Its been 3 transfer windows. Personally I was expecting a massive clearout last summer as there are players in this squad who we all know are not up to it but he was content with the squad and was pretty smug when we were trashing shite teams earlier in the season.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

We did, apart from Martial they were all average/shite and we're struggling to clear them off

You think Rojo is average/shite? Disagree with that. Blind is a good player as well but he's failed to nail down a position and is basically just a utility man for us. He was class at centre back in LVG's second season though. Also Romero was a good signing too but apart from them three I agree, LVG's signings were terrible.

 

[el3mel]

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[Minimalist]

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Not very promising for Martial if that’s true.

 

[United_We_Stand]

and it is understood that Anthony Martial and Ander Herrera came in for the harshest words.....

The United boss is even said to have acerbically commented on how this was exactly why he had wanted Internazionale’s Ivan Perisic in the summer, to perform a specific role on the wing.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...rsfield-martial-herrera-perisic-a8017361.html

So if we were to believe Delaney:

Mourinho isn't happy with Martial (again).
Mourinho is still not happy with Ed and the Glazers for failing to sign Perisic in summer.

 

[Pexbo]

OMG Mourinho is such a hater he needs to let Martial do what he wants or Martial will move to Barcelona

 

[breakout67]

OMG Mourinho is such a hater he needs to let Martial do what he wants or Martial will move to Barcelona

He's the new scapegoat now that Rooney is gone, poor Martial

 

[RooneyLegend]

You just said Mourinho goes against our club values which I presume is because Mourinho is a defensive manager and United should be an attacking team, right? And you want Marco Silva who himself is a defensive manager. Makes no sense.

How is he defensive manager?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...rsfield-martial-herrera-perisic-a8017361.html

So if we were to believe Delaney:

Mourinho isn't happy with Martial (again).
Mourinho is still not happy with Ed and the Glazers for failing to sign Perisic in summer.

...then we’d believe any auld shite we read.

 

[RooneyLegend]

Its' basically ABM for some. Anyone But Mourinho.

Sarri, Silva, Pochettino - managers who are yet to win anything significant are being touted over Jose who has atleast won silverware already for us. The first two will wilt under the pressure if they manage us. Of these, Pochettino shows promise, but there's no guarantee he will get our current average players like Mata, Herrera, Valencia, Young etc to play like Spurs are currently playing.

Zidane and Pep got big jobs before winning anything significant themselves and none of the clubs are regretting the decisions right now. in fact, Zidane in one and a half seasons has done better than any of the highly decorated managers did at Madrid during galactico 2.0 era. Winning anything significant without the resources is exceptionally difficult, so judging managers solely on that isn't the smartest way to go about it.

 

[Kapardin]

Zidane and Pep got big jobs before winning anything significant themselves and none of the clubs are regretting the decisions right now. in fact, Zidane in one and a half seasons has done better than any of the highly decorated managers did at Madrid during galactico 2.0 era. Winning anything significant without the resources is exceptionally difficult, so judging managers solely on that isn't the smartest way to go about it.

Zidane and Pep were men who belonged to those clubs and immersed deeply in their cultures. While it is clear that Pep is somewhat of a prodigy/genius and thus a glaring exception to the rule, Zidane has the presence to command respect, which allowed him to get the best out of his players. Pep has proven himself elsewhere while Zidane is yet to.

For every Zidane and Pep, you also have an Inzaghi. Point being, the cases of Marco Silva or Pochettino are not similar and cannot be compared.

 

[RooneyLegend]

Zidane and Pep were men who belonged to those clubs and immersed deeply in their cultures. While it is clear that Pep is somewhat of a prodigy/genius and thus a glaring exception to the rule, Zidane has the presence to command respect, which allowed him to get the best out of his players. Pep has proven himself elsewhere while Zidane is yet to.

For every Zidane and Pep, you also have an Inzaghi. Point being, the cases of Marco Silva or Pochettino are not similar and cannot be compared.

Fact is they were inexperienced at the very highest level of the game and hadn't won anything, then they won everything despite that being the case. Not only that but ended up doing better than much more decorated managers. This whole trying to find a winner is the wrong way to go about things, it's about to bite us for the second time. Just look at the coaching jobs these guys are doing and the quality of the football their teams are playing and then make a judgment. Mind you, they've been impressive in every job they've had. Playing the sort of football that big clubs should be playing with the right principles for our club. How anyone can be happy with our anti-youth bus driver is beyond me.

 

[dichinero]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...rsfield-martial-herrera-perisic-a8017361.html

So if we were to believe Delaney:

Mourinho isn't happy with Martial (again).
Mourinho is still not happy with Ed and the Glazers for failing to sign Perisic in summer.

If there's any truth in this, it only reflects badly on the manager. This is second time this sort of news has come out.

 

[Kapardin]

Fact is they were inexperienced at the very highest level of the game and hadn't won anything, then they won everything despite that being the case. Not only that but ended up doing better than much more decorated managers. This whole trying to find a winner is the wrong way to go about things, it's about to bite us for the second time. Just look at the coaching jobs these guys are doing and the quality of the football their teams are playing and then make a judgment. Mind you, they've been impressive in every job they've had. Playing the sort of football that big clubs should be playing with the right principles for our club. How anyone can be happy with our anti-youth bus driver is beyond me.

Yes, they won everything in the first big job they got. Thus they can be considered.

Meanwhile, Marco Silva is yet to land a big job and Poch is yet to win something despite being in a big job and having lots of experience as well.

Thirdly, I get the feeling you don't like Mourinho. However, I am fairly content with the job he is doing and I don't think it is going to come back to bite us. He is slowly building the team in his own vision and will iron things out eventually.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

DM Reporting Mourinho gave players hairdryer treatment.

Manchester United boss Jose Mourinho tore into players and flung his coat to dressing-room floor in rage after dismal defeat at Huddersfield... but Victor Lindelof was spared


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5011611/Jose-Mourinho-flung-coat-floor-rage.html

 

[RedDevil@84]

DM Reporting Mourinho gave players a hairdryer treatment.

Manchester United boss Jose Mourinho tore into players and flung his coat to dressing-room floor in rage after dismal defeat at Huddersfield... but Victor Lindelof was spared


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5011611/Jose-Mourinho-flung-coat-floor-rage.html

Did he also crush the glass of wine with his bare hands?

 

[reddaz71]

No question Mourinho has been so far the best we have had since Ferguson, BUT, if he does not get anymore financial backing next window it would not be a massive shock to see him resort back to his implosions and especially if we slip further away from City, yes a leopard never changes its spots but a potential collision course between Jose and the board equally would not be a shock if he feels he hasnt been fully supported!!

 

[RooneyLegend]

Yes, they won everything in the first big job they got. Thus they can be considered.

Meanwhile, Marco Silva is yet to land a big job and Poch is yet to win something despite being in a big job and having lots of experience as well.

Thirdly, I get the feeling you don't like Mourinho. However, I am fairly content with the job he is doing and I don't think it is going to come back to bite us. He is slowly building the team in his own vision and will iron things out eventually.

Since when is Spurs a big job? He's got them competing at a level they never have despite them not being financially doped. He finished ahead of Jose and Pep last season despite having a fraction of their resources.

Yes, i don't like him. Not personally as i don't care for that sort of thing but his managerial style is that, that goes against the ethos of the club and not just that but he hasn't moved us along as much as he should have given all the resources at his disposal. Winning second rate trophies won't change my mind about that.

 

[RooneyLegend]

he hasnt been fully supported!!

Why is this even creeping into discussions? We've spent eye watering amounts of money since he's been here we've even managed to break the transfer record for a CM.

 

[reddaz71]

Why is this even creeping into discussions? We've spent eye watering amounts of money since he's been here we've even managed to break the transfer record for a CM.

Perisic! He wanted 4,ended up with 3.

 

[RooneyLegend]

Perisic! He wanted 4,ended up with 3.

So that means he hasn't been backed? Why didn't he have alternatives since Inter were proving impossible to deal with? Mind you Perisic is no world beater.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Perisic! He wanted 4,ended up with 3.

And Mou said he was ok with 3.. And now he was cheated?

 

[fellaini's barber]

You think Rojo is average/shite? Disagree with that. Blind is a good player as well but he's failed to nail down a position and is basically just a utility man for us. He was class at centre back in LVG's second season though. Also Romero was a good signing too but apart from them three I agree, LVG's signings were terrible.

Rojo is average to me, not shite though, no great football skills, just heads/hoofs the ball out. Blind as you said is not good enough to be a starter in any position. Romero is a good backup I agree. My post was in response to the poster talking about allowing LVG get his players despite the fact that majority of his signings are not good enough to start for us right now and many are being moved on just 2 years after he left

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Why is this even creeping into discussions? We've spent eye watering amounts of money since he's been here we've even managed to break the transfer record for a CM.

Because City spent a more apparently. He's been backed by the owners just like the managers before him. He needs to figure out how to get the best out of what he has.

If he needed more he should have come up alternatives to perisic who isn't even all that great. Martial and Rashford are very good players. The manager should get the most out of them.

 

[Suedesi]

So now Castles is pimping Mourinho on an Arab media outlet?

Castles is serving two purposes by this piece. He's touting his pal Jose as "PSG's man", which seems plausible but not guaranteed, and putting more pressure on the Glazers to invest more in the team in January.

Yeah, because the first thing in the morning that the Glazers do in America is to read newspaper articles written by a Scottish wanker.

 

[Suedesi]

Why is Mourinho questioning the commitment of his players, when all he's done the previous week is shamelessly flirt with PSG? Where is your commitment Jose?

 

[Ban]

at the anti-youth stuff.
Also comparing Pep and Zidane stories with Poch or Silva (can't believe he's being mentioned) is completely wrong.
Media write a lot of stuff. Wouldn't be surprised if all this stiff about him being angry with the board is made up but people believe what they want to believe esp if they hate his guts.

 

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Sun pushing rumours froma 'source' that the training ground has been glum since Liverpool away.

 

[haram]

OMG Mourinho is such a hater he needs to let Martial do what he wants or Martial will move to Barcelona

People still happy that we didn't get Perisic. Back one of the best manager's the game has ever seen, trust in what he is doing. People could see the problem with Herrera and Martial even before the Huddersfield game.

 

[Rajma]

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Sun pushing rumours froma 'source' that the training ground has been glum since Liverpool away.

Well you should expect no more as negativity spreads quickly, it was so unnecessary us taking the approach we did against Scousers. I bet the confidence took a hit with Jose not trusting his players to go out and play at Anfield.

Could be BS but I still think Jose can be his own undoing with similar tactics going forwards.

 

[shaky]

People still happy that we didn't get Perisic. Back one of the best manager's the game has ever seen, trust in what he is doing. People could see the problem with Herrera and Martial even before the Huddersfield game.

The same people who were outraged at the prospect of buying Matic I'd imagine. It's probably no coincidence that we seem to be finding things a bit tricky with 3 of Jose's signings on the injury list at the moment. He's no mug when it comes to the transfer market, don't get why some people have such little faith in his targets.

 

[Dante]

I bet his tirade wasn't much different from Fergie's hairdryer. The difference is that players are far more likely to leak nowadays.

Woodward is far from the best negotiator out there. He deserves criticism for his failures as much as he deserves credit for his successes. In the case of Perisic, Jose has a point.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

He's generally excellent at identifying what he needs, no question about that.

Perisic seems a special case, though. A player he wanted but who hardly seems like the sort of difference maker you gladly pay a king's ransom for. Inter weren't exactly playing ball on this one, it seems. Not to mention that José declared himself pleased enough with the window: Didn't seem like a crucial piece of the puzzle he missed out on (or was denied) at the time.

I can't quite see Mourinho telling Woody that Perisic will be the difference between challenging on all fronts and not - and then Woody putting his cheque book away. My take: Either Inter were impossible to deal with, or José never named Perisic as a crucial target.

 

[Red_Beans]

The same people who were outraged at the prospect of buying Matic I'd imagine. It's probably no coincidence that we seem to be finding things a bit tricky with 3 of Jose's signings on the injury list at the moment. He's no mug when it comes to the transfer market, don't get why some people have such little faith in his targets.

Jose also bought lindlehof though. No none has a perfect record in the transfer market