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Spoiler: He wont.
It's not about the goals. It's about our lack of cohesiveness going forward, that most of our rivals have. Thank goodness for Pogba who can carry the ball forward and can work in congested spaces, otherwise we can only resort to bypassing the midfield.Last time I checked we have scored more goals than everyone but citeh.
Mental that we struggle to break down a team for one match (right after a 4 goal haul the last week) and people complain. Its not even like we didnt score today.
Most people think 'attacking' means 100 passes or an eye of the needle pass which lead to a goal. They don't think scoring from set pieces or crosses counts as attacking, they don't think attacking from a mistake by the opponent is attacking. These people would say that Chess is a shite game because it's too strategic. They would complain about campers in a video game like a child.Last time I checked we have scored more goals than everyone but citeh.
Mental that we struggle to break down a team for one match (right after a 4 goal haul the last week) and people complain. Its not even like we didnt score today.
fecking hell, you'd have committed suicide when Ronaldo and Rooney were growing into the team...Our attackers ...
Lukauku after the honeymoon period now being found out for what he is journeyman CF , flat track bully ,nowhere near world class found his level at Everton
Martial incapable of putting in regular great performances has had lots of chances but can't make himself undroppable
Rashford sick of hearing the word potential will never be a 20 goal a season man
Zlatan oh how I wish he was 10 years younger our only world class forward but past his best ( still our best striker though )
Mikhi finding it far tougher than Germany
Mata always good for 8/10 goals but on a downward spiral
Pogba our only real hope to get maybe 10/15 from midfield
Lingard ... words fail me
The 4.0 wins early doors flattered to deceive , lack of goals for secondly half of season will be our weakness
Why dont we do that... i dont get itWe just need to start doing the opposite of everything we currently do. Which is...
- Build up play is far too slow,
- Lack of movement - our front four majority of the time stand in a line and wait for the ball,
- Not enough width, far too often they all drift and bunch in the middle of the pitch. Hence the lack of space,
- Full backs not overlapping - they stand still watching the winger isolated expecting them to take it past 2 or 3 players.
Everything according to him.What does Mike Phelan do?
I saw both there debutsfecking hell, you'd have committed suicide when Ronaldo and Rooney were growing into the team...
Exceptional post.Personally I think the opening post of this thread is so weird. I remember reading Carlo Ancelotti's biography, he felt the need to praise Mourinho for leaving a brilliant set of training instructions. That praise was despite the bad blood between the two. Another source says this about those instructions:
,,
Training by 'the Bible'
Training is precise, intense and everything is with the ball; the session is still defined down to the exact number of minutes and Mourinho has his stopwatch and his clipboard. Mourinho also still has a ‘Bible’ which he began to compile when he was coaching the juniors at Vitoria de Setubal back in Portugal and which is the ‘training file’ that is made up of his ideas. He used to meticulously update it every day although given the body of work he has now achieved and his experience that is unlikely to still be the case.
Mourinho will sketch out a basic drawing of how he wants training to go – even where the equipment will be placed and so on – he will meet with the medical staff every day and he will even go out on to the training pitches to inspect the length of the grass and make sure they are properly watered. He will, he says, never be late, either, although that is not always the case given the demands upon a modern-day manager."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...s-relentless-methods-jose-mourinho-and-his-b/
Mourinho has had so many jobs as an assistent-coach. I've seen countless of praise for his methods by top players. I've seen hundreds of wonderful attacking performances from his teams over the years. This all opposed to the 'sources' OP is referring too without linking to them.
Now we've been utterly poor attacking wise since Ferguson left. Moyes, struggled. Van Gaal struggled to have us create chances. Mourinho struggled with this last season too, for sure, but I'm also quite sure it's not just him.
I just checked, from the looks of it we still are second in terms of goals scored this year. 18 teams have scored less goals than us in the league, 1 team has scored more. We have scored more goals than Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, should they hire an attacking coach too? I personally think this actually is our best year in terms of attacking performances since Ferguson retired and I'm happy we're finally on the way up attacking wise, and I think this is down to Mourinho's methods more than anything. So yeah, I really just don't see where 'Mourinho sucks at setting up a team properly so he must hire an attacking coach' fits in, other than people getting a bit frustrated or hysterical.
The reason why we struggle even this season to create at times is psychological I think. Teams are always out to get Manchester United's scalp. Plenty of smaller teams come to Old Trafford to play their match of the year, with the same intensity as a cup final. Ten men behind the ball is the norm. It's just really hard for any team to easily brush teams with a mentality like that aside, you even see it in games with professional vs. amateur teams. Still though, we've been looking pretty good at dealing with set-ups like that this season.
Times change and managers need to as well. What worked even 5 years ago, won’t work now.Exceptional post.
You would think that the fact in his career his teams have only at worst been 2nd top goal scorers and the majority of the time his teams have been top goal scorers would have been enough to shut down this absurd argument. All this while also conceding the least amount of goals. Yet it seems like it's not enough.
Yet with all these undeniable facts somehow he manages to be a defensive coward with little or no clue in attacking coaching.
Somehow these armchair Einsteins have managed to exceed themselves and square that circle.
Harking back to the past says it all. With us or Chelsea the football hasn't been great for a while now. I think its clear he's changed in his approach.Exceptional post.
You would think that the fact in his career his teams have only at worst been 2nd top goal scorers and the majority of the time his teams have been top goal scorers would have been enough to shut down this absurd argument. All this while also conceding the least amount of goals. Yet it seems like it's not enough.
Yet with all these undeniable facts somehow he manages to be a defensive coward with little or no clue in attacking coaching.
Somehow these armchair Einsteins have managed to exceed themselves and square that circle.
So a group of experienced professionals can't see that the game has apparently changed and made our tactics "dated" but you can?Times change and managers need to as well. What worked even 5 years ago, won’t work now.
Fergie knew this and made the necessary changes to his backroom staff at regular intervals. When we fell short in Europe, he brought in CQ to revolution our play.
Mourinho has had pretty much the exact same coaching staff for about 10 years now.
Our style of play is horrifically dated. Something has to change!
Or Brighton, which I am gonna say you haven't watched all season, are actually a well drilled defensive side. 6th best in the league in fact, with a manager who knows how to tactically set up a team. YawnIf we have to use Martial, Rashford, Lukaku, Zlatan and Pogba - every one of our very best attacking players - and we still cannot destroy a, let's be honest, poor team like BHA then either
It's at least one those.
- At least some of the players I have listed are very overrated
- AND/OR Jose is not doing a decent job managing his team to chance creation
Truly excellent post.Personally I think the opening post of this thread is so weird. I remember reading Carlo Ancelotti's biography, he felt the need to praise Mourinho for leaving a brilliant set of training instructions. That praise was despite the bad blood between the two. Another source says this about those instructions:
,,
Training by 'the Bible'
Training is precise, intense and everything is with the ball; the session is still defined down to the exact number of minutes and Mourinho has his stopwatch and his clipboard. Mourinho also still has a ‘Bible’ which he began to compile when he was coaching the juniors at Vitoria de Setubal back in Portugal and which is the ‘training file’ that is made up of his ideas. He used to meticulously update it every day although given the body of work he has now achieved and his experience that is unlikely to still be the case.
Mourinho will sketch out a basic drawing of how he wants training to go – even where the equipment will be placed and so on – he will meet with the medical staff every day and he will even go out on to the training pitches to inspect the length of the grass and make sure they are properly watered. He will, he says, never be late, either, although that is not always the case given the demands upon a modern-day manager."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...s-relentless-methods-jose-mourinho-and-his-b/
Mourinho has had so many jobs as an assistent-coach. I've seen countless of praise for his methods by top players. I've seen hundreds of wonderful attacking performances from his teams over the years. This all opposed to the 'sources' OP is referring too without linking to them.
Now we've been utterly poor attacking wise since Ferguson left. Moyes, struggled. Van Gaal struggled to have us create chances. Mourinho struggled with this last season too, for sure, but I'm also quite sure it's not just him.
I just checked, from the looks of it we still are second in terms of goals scored this year. 18 teams have scored less goals than us in the league, 1 team has scored more. We have scored more goals than Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, should they hire an attacking coach too? I personally think this actually is our best year in terms of attacking performances since Ferguson retired and I'm happy we're finally on the way up attacking wise, and I think this is down to Mourinho's methods more than anything. So yeah, I really just don't see where 'Mourinho sucks at setting up a team properly so he must hire an attacking coach' fits in, other than people getting a bit frustrated or hysterical.
The reason why we struggle even this season to create at times is psychological I think. Teams are always out to get Manchester United's scalp. Plenty of smaller teams come to Old Trafford to play their match of the year, with the same intensity as a cup final. Ten men behind the ball is the norm. It's just really hard for any team to easily brush teams with a mentality like that aside, you even see it in games with professional vs. amateur teams. Still though, we've been looking pretty good at dealing with set-ups like that this season.
I think pretty much any Manchester United fan can see that tactically our team is being set up wrongly! What is the alternative, every fecking player we have is shit?So a group of experienced professionals can't see that the game has apparently changed and made our tactics "dated" but you can?
They're unable to grasp these complicated nuances that you've spotted?
We're second in the league and goals scored so no not that shit.I think pretty much any Manchester United fan can see that tactically our team is being set up wrongly! What is the alternative, every fecking player we have is shit?
How is it dated? Are Spurs, Liverpool or Arsenal more advanced?Our style of play is horrifically dated. Something has to change!
So many contradictions here.Personally I think the opening post of this thread is so weird. I remember reading Carlo Ancelotti's biography, he felt the need to praise Mourinho for leaving a brilliant set of training instructions. That praise was despite the bad blood between the two. Another source says this about those instructions:
,,
Training by 'the Bible'
Training is precise, intense and everything is with the ball; the session is still defined down to the exact number of minutes and Mourinho has his stopwatch and his clipboard. Mourinho also still has a ‘Bible’ which he began to compile when he was coaching the juniors at Vitoria de Setubal back in Portugal and which is the ‘training file’ that is made up of his ideas. He used to meticulously update it every day although given the body of work he has now achieved and his experience that is unlikely to still be the case.
Mourinho will sketch out a basic drawing of how he wants training to go – even where the equipment will be placed and so on – he will meet with the medical staff every day and he will even go out on to the training pitches to inspect the length of the grass and make sure they are properly watered. He will, he says, never be late, either, although that is not always the case given the demands upon a modern-day manager."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...s-relentless-methods-jose-mourinho-and-his-b/
Mourinho has had so many jobs as an assistent-coach. I've seen countless of praise for his methods by top players. I've seen hundreds of wonderful attacking performances from his teams over the years. This all opposed to the 'sources' OP is referring too without linking to them.
Now we've been utterly poor attacking wise since Ferguson left. Moyes, struggled. Van Gaal struggled to have us create chances. Mourinho struggled with this last season too, for sure, but I'm also quite sure it's not just him.
I just checked, from the looks of it we still are second in terms of goals scored this year. 18 teams have scored less goals than us in the league, 1 team has scored more. We have scored more goals than Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, should they hire an attacking coach too? I personally think this actually is our best year in terms of attacking performances since Ferguson retired and I'm happy we're finally on the way up attacking wise, and I think this is down to Mourinho's methods more than anything. So yeah, I really just don't see where 'Mourinho sucks at setting up a team properly so he must hire an attacking coach' fits in, other than people getting a bit frustrated or hysterical.
The reason why we struggle even this season to create at times is psychological I think. Teams are always out to get Manchester United's scalp. Plenty of smaller teams come to Old Trafford to play their match of the year, with the same intensity as a cup final. Ten men behind the ball is the norm. It's just really hard for any team to easily brush teams with a mentality like that aside, you even see it in games with professional vs. amateur teams. Still though, we've been looking pretty good at dealing with set-ups like that this season.
Funny thing the balance theory that he was talking about does sound lame. We lost 1-0 to Basel when we had the balance in our XI.Didn't he say something like I would not be surprised if people say we played with too many attacker today?
Weird. What is he trying to say or prove? The balance theory?
You made it sound like Mourinho has a great man management which I agree. But his great man management or methods of his management isn't what people are moaning about. I think people are moaning about his playing style especially in attack, which we should have expected from the start when we hired him as our manager. I have watched so many analysis of pundits during his time and those pundits were talking and praising about his defensive tactic.Personally I think the opening post of this thread is so weird. I remember reading Carlo Ancelotti's biography, he felt the need to praise Mourinho for leaving a brilliant set of training instructions. That praise was despite the bad blood between the two. Another source says this about those instructions:
,,
Training by 'the Bible'
Training is precise, intense and everything is with the ball; the session is still defined down to the exact number of minutes and Mourinho has his stopwatch and his clipboard. Mourinho also still has a ‘Bible’ which he began to compile when he was coaching the juniors at Vitoria de Setubal back in Portugal and which is the ‘training file’ that is made up of his ideas. He used to meticulously update it every day although given the body of work he has now achieved and his experience that is unlikely to still be the case.
Mourinho will sketch out a basic drawing of how he wants training to go – even where the equipment will be placed and so on – he will meet with the medical staff every day and he will even go out on to the training pitches to inspect the length of the grass and make sure they are properly watered. He will, he says, never be late, either, although that is not always the case given the demands upon a modern-day manager."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...s-relentless-methods-jose-mourinho-and-his-b/
Mourinho has had so many jobs as an assistent-coach. I've seen countless of praise for his methods by top players. I've seen hundreds of wonderful attacking performances from his teams over the years. This all opposed to the 'sources' OP is referring too without linking to them.
Now we've been utterly poor attacking wise since Ferguson left. Moyes, struggled. Van Gaal struggled to have us create chances. Mourinho struggled with this last season too, for sure, but I'm also quite sure it's not just him.
I just checked, from the looks of it we still are second in terms of goals scored this year. 18 teams have scored less goals than us in the league, 1 team has scored more. We have scored more goals than Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, should they hire an attacking coach too? I personally think this actually is our best year in terms of attacking performances since Ferguson retired and I'm happy we're finally on the way up attacking wise, and I think this is down to Mourinho's methods more than anything. So yeah, I really just don't see where 'Mourinho sucks at setting up a team properly so he must hire an attacking coach' fits in, other than people getting a bit frustrated or hysterical.
The reason why we struggle even this season to create at times is psychological I think. Teams are always out to get Manchester United's scalp. Plenty of smaller teams come to Old Trafford to play their match of the year, with the same intensity as a cup final. Ten men behind the ball is the norm. It's just really hard for any team to easily brush teams with a mentality like that aside, you even see it in games with professional vs. amateur teams. Still though, we've been looking pretty good at dealing with set-ups like that this season.
You have a romanticised view of the past... Just look back at the thread history on the caf back then to see how much doubt there was over Utd and Fergie even among some of the fanbase. I know this cos I was on the forum back then.I saw both there debuts
Neither of them grew into it they both hit the ground running and within a season were "undroppable "
I just wish I could say the same for Martial and Rashford they are getting plenty of chances to establish themselves and need to do so quickly
Omg stop the presses! shocker we don’t score nearly as much against better sides. That’s a hell of a statement mate care to enlighten us?So when the opposition's defence is poor, we'll score 4. But when they are good, we don't score nearly as much. Because our offensive power sucks, and therefore less good chances are being created.
Sir Alex used to let his coaches handle the fine on the pitch little details in the latter parts of his career so it definitely is possible.Weird thread really. Is that even possible?
We could score even more goals if the attacking play in the final third has more support ,cohesion and numbers. The attacking players do not provide much support on the parallel run to draw defenders in confusion and also provide the player on goal an extra support to square the ball , then the shots are predictable and gets blocked.Exceptional post.
You would think that the fact in his career his teams have only at worst been 2nd top goal scorers and the majority of the time his teams have been top goal scorers would have been enough to shut down this absurd argument. All this while also conceding the least amount of goals. Yet it seems like it's not enough.
Yet with all these undeniable facts somehow he manages to be a defensive coward with little or no clue in attacking coaching.
Somehow these armchair Einsteins have managed to exceed themselves and square that circle.
We can look great too with some minute finer details when attacking with the ball.Jose took a average squad and make them good.