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The bigger benefit surely would of been him staying at Schalke?What would the benefit for the league be if he moved abroad and left the league?
The bigger benefit surely would of been him staying at Schalke?What would the benefit for the league be if he moved abroad and left the league?
So better they all join Bayern than stay at their clubs, go to other German clubs, or go abroad then basically?? That was never a possibility, he'd never stay at Schalke
Talent not leaving is a great benefit, talent concentrating at one team at the top more than offsets that. Simple as. This is not an overall positive for the league. Will help keep it's "one team league" image alive.ä
Worst case in this regard is when a quality player is lost to another league, since we are talking about leagues perspective
If Bayern didnt exist, Leon would be in England or spain. Great benefit for the league
Such nobility *wipes tear* 10 more years of Bayern dominance ahoy.Tweet
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Yes. If it wasn't for Goretzka leaving Schalke would be competing with Bayern.Such nobility *wipes tear* 10 more years of Bayern dominance ahoy.
As a Dortmund fan, are you really defending Bayern in this instance? They win your league easily every season. It doesn't even help your league. Surely the pronounced decline of the German teams outside of Bayern is in part to them taking all the best players from would be rivals?Yes. If it wasn't for Goretzka leaving Schalke would be competing with Bayern.
I wonder who else was actually interested , I honestly thought he’d go to Spain.What roles do Vidal, Thiago, Tollisso have now?
This has been the age old accusation. People often forget that it takes two to tango. Bayern usually doesn't pry them loose from their clubs, they want to leave anyway. Mostly because their clubs offer little perspective in terms of winning titles. Now, what is true is that it's hard to win the league if you can't get past Bayern. How do you get past Bayern? Well, not dropping points to the other teams around you would be a good start. Then perform well in the two games versus Bayern and you're in a good spot. As it is, Bayern has a 14 point lead to the second. Those 14 points aren't because Bayern thrashed Schalke 4 times. Those are because Bayern won against teams Schalke hasn't.As a Dortmund fan, are you really defending Bayern in this instance? They win your league easily every season. It doesn't even help your league. Surely the pronounced decline of the German teams outside of Bayern is in part to them taking all the best players from would be rivals?
Look at your own club, you will trading in your star player for some dross from Chelsea reserves, does this not worry you at all?
You and others seem to have trouble grasping the reality of German football. Bayern didn't do anything that needs defending here. The player outgrew Schalke significantly and his contract is running out. He would've left for free no matter what Bayern would have done. The only difference is that he's joining them instead of Barcelona or some other foreign club.As a Dortmund fan, are you really defending Bayern in this instance? They win your league easily every season. It doesn't even help your league. Surely the pronounced decline of the German teams outside of Bayern is in part to them taking all the best players from would be rivals?
Look at your own club, you will trading in your star player for some dross from Chelsea reserves, does this not worry you at all?
You will never convince the morons. United bought two star playmakers from Dortmund this decade for pocket money. I guess that made the league stronger somehow. Also, this is the first player we got from Schalke since....Neuer, I guess?ä
Worst case in this regard is when a quality player is lost to another league, since we are talking about leagues perspective
If Bayern didnt exist, Leon would be in England or spain. Great benefit for the league
It’s especially funny how salty City fans are about this. „Wuaah, wuaah, we didn’t get to spend our slave money on something!“ä
Worst case in this regard is when a quality player is lost to another league, since we are talking about leagues perspective
If Bayern didnt exist, Leon would be in England or spain. Great benefit for the league
It's the same old salt piles that usually form when Bayern gets a great player for cheap. Ignore or enjoy, but don't get riled up about itThis has been the age old accusation.
The fans of the club who loses a particular player, sure. All other fans? Why should they? I'm pretty sure most neutral fans in England would have preferred seeing Ronaldo playing for let's say Chelsea instead of Real after he left Utd. It's about keeping attractions in the league, and this what Rummenigge was hinting at.In England, most fans would rather see the best players leave the league if than play for rival teams.
And the club have the cash to do so, most of the time. We don’t have slaveclubs in the Bundesliga yet though, so that’s kind of an issue.I'm not saying that Bayern did anything that needs defending. The comment from Rummenigge is laughable though, unless fans of other clubs are willing to accept that having at least one team with a chance of winning anything in Europe is of paramount importance.
In England, most fans would rather see the best players leave the league if than play for rival teams.
Couldn't care less about the shit going on in Bundesliga and all that but the bold part is wrong.The fans of the club who loses a particular player, sure. All other fans? Why should they? I'm pretty sure most neutral fans in England would have preferred seeing Ronaldo playing for let's say Chelsea instead of Real after he left Utd. It's about keeping attractions in the league, and this what Rummenigge was hinting at.
I'm sure Barca fans would've been thrilled to see Neymar at Real too, for the league!Couldn't care less about the shit going on in Bundesliga and all that but the bold part is wrong.
If you take Premier league alone, I don't think there is even one club that would have hoped for that.
Yeah, Schalke would have it much better without us. If it wasn't for us, they'd have a strong team with guys like Matip or Kolasinac.It's like Stockholm Syndrome in Germany.
Everyone just accepts that Bayern will be able to cherry pick the best players and they don't seem to mind.
Doing it for the benefit of the league
I mean you're right, it makes no difference to Schalke I suppose.Yeah, Schalke would have it much better without us. If it wasn't for us, they'd have a strong team with guys like Matip or Kolasinac.
And so would Dortmund with a flourishing Gotze, prime Hummels and prime Lewandowski but shhh let's not mention them!Yeah, Schalke would have it much better without us. If it wasn't for us, they'd have a strong team with guys like Matip or Kolasinac.
I'm pretty sure you're wrong.The fans of the club who loses a particular player, sure. All other fans? Why should they? I'm pretty sure most neutral fans in England would have preferred seeing Ronaldo playing for let's say Chelsea instead of Real after he left Utd. It's about keeping attractions in the league, and this what Rummenigge was hinting at.
Probably. But realistically, if it wasn't for us, Real would have prime Lewandowski, United would have tried Götze (and probably still have him, on ridicoulus wages) and Hummels was always ours anyway.And so would Dortmund with a flourishing Gotze, prime Hummels and prime Lewandowski but shhh let's not mention them!
Got to be a joke coming from a PL fan. It's having it's first strong showing in Europe this entire decade, yet still it meanwhile wrapped up a ridicolus TV contract while it was utter dross.All this "league benefits" stuff is laughable. It is so bad for the league when one team gobbles up the talent that too for free. When United bought players from the league, we paid huge money (eg, Rio, RVP, Berba etc). That in turn helped those other teams to invest and bring in fresh talent. I am not saying United are saints, but people defending Bayern for lapping up a player and apparently keeping the league stronger, are joking surely? Help me understand how Goretzka's transfer is making Bundesliga stronger? It is making Bayern stronger, end of it. I won't get into debate of whether what Bayern do with their transfers is right/wrong, but they should atleast stop taking the bloody moral highground
And anyways, if the league was stronger, that would have reflected in the TV income
Bullshit. If it was, the PL wouldn't be anywhere near where it is today. It's funny this forum seems to have forgotten about its own dominance not so long ago.I'm pretty sure you're wrong.
Because they'd rather see a competitive league than one dominated by 1 team? Having star players is nice and all but the popularity and commerciability of the league is based on unpredictable results and unpredictable league winners. It's not built on having the best players, or else the league would have paled in comparison to La Liga which had all the mega stars these last 10 years.
The fact that Leicester won it, or the fact that Tottenham have emerged to turn what was a top 5 into a top 6 with increased competition... all this have made the EPL more popular and better to watch. Not worse.
Oh, the service Bayern is doing to the community !!Probably. But realistically, if it wasn't for us, Real would have prime Lewandowski, United would have tried Götze (and probably still have him, on ridicoulus wages) and Hummels was always ours anyway.
I also think you missed the point.
Got to be a joke coming from a PL fan. It's having it's first strong showing in Europe this entire decade, yet still it meanwhile wrapped up a ridicolus TV contract while it was utter dross.
Nevermind that though, the new TV contract for the Bundesliga which startzed this season actually included a 85% increase in revenues for clubs.
I think that point's often forgotten. It will be interesting to see what language developments have on leagues' future popularity. (The spread of Spanish, or the rapid growth of French in sub-Saharan Africa, for example.)the PL was easily marketable because the language is accessible
Depends on your definition. Semis are hard, it's only 4 teams after all. But with the funds available, Dortmund made the quarters 3 out of 4 times since then, with Wolfsburg also reaching them once. Second best behind Spain in regards to number of clubs and appearances. No idea what happened in the Europa league, not following that.Other than Bayern when was the last time a German side did anything of note in Europe?
Dortmund in 2013?
I can see Bayern fans are very defensive on the subject but I just think the Bundesliga has major problems. Bayern are so completely and utterly dominant, it's just boring.
Bullshit. The language has little to do with it as basically all leagues have been broadcasting abroad with local language sportscasters for decades now. Serie A in the 90s was in many countries far more popular than the EPL. Back when teams like Lazio, Parma, Juve, Inter and AC Milan made it a really tough and competitive league.Bullshit. If it was, the PL wouldn't be anywhere near where it is today. It's funny this forum seems to have forgotten about its own dominance not so long ago.
Popularity is based on marketing, the PL was easily marketable because the language is accessible and they did their marketing abroad well while having a national Pay-TV culture. Simple as that. United could have won 18 out of the last 20 titles and nothing would change at all.
Still, tell me, what would have changed for Dortmund?Oh, the service Bayern is doing to the community !!
About the tv rights, PL TV rights are worth significantly higher than Bundesliga's. Also, hey, let us conveniently ignore the rest of the post
The premier league was pretty mediocre back in the day, certainly weaker than Serie A or the Bundesliga, yet still those were the times where the foundations for its marketing dominance were laid. If anything, your example supports my point.Bullshit. The language has little to do with it as basically all leagues have been broadcasting abroad with local language sportscasters for decades now. Serie A in the 90s was in many countries far more popular than the EPL. Back when teams like Lazio, Parma, Juve, Inter and AC Milan made it a really tough and competitive league.
The marketability of the EPL has increased by the fact that single team dominance has been eroded.
But the PL tends to be the first league looked at (for example) by English-learners in Asia who are directed to the country by their studies. It's a massive help.Bullshit. The language has little to do with it as basically all leagues have been broadcasting abroad with local language sportscasters for decades now. Serie A in the 90s was in many countries far more popular than the EPL. Back when teams like Lazio, Parma, Juve, Inter and AC Milan made it a really tough and competitive league.
The marketability of the EPL has increased by the fact that single team dominance has been eroded.
No, no it doesn'tThe premier league was pretty mediocre back in the day, certainly weaker than Serie A or the Bundesliga, yet still those were the times where the foundations for its marketing dominance were laid. If anything, your example supports my point.