Premier League Gameweek 27 (10th - 12th February 2018)

[giorno]

If De Bruyne could dribble, he'd be Zidane. There, i said it. Ridiculous player. Too bad we can't take him off City's hands

 

[DomesticTadpole]

If KdB doesn’t do that for you, I guess you need some Specsavers as you Brita say. They don’t have a Hazard or Messi, but few teams do.

Everytime KDB has the ball the City fans must be expecting a goal to happen, that is pretty exciting. Like when Ronaldo/Beckham got the ball for us.

 

[giorno]

Not sure how seriously I take RedRom but is it seriously that laughable that DDG might be better than KDB relative to positions? I'm not saying who's better but it's not that outlandish to suggest it either way.

Relative to position means nothing though. Suggesting De Gea is better than De Bruyne...maybe watch hockey instead of football?

 

[RedRom]

Both are WC in their respective positions. But KDB has a bigger impact for his team and is enjoying a more successfull campaign.

KDB isn't just about passes, he is also crucial for their pressing and positional game.

I guess you must have missed the impact that de Gea had away at Arsenal, because he sure had as big an impact on one match as any player has had one any other match.

Also how is De Bruyne having a more successful campaign than de Gea?? De Gea has kept more clean sheets than anyone else, which is last time I checked his main job, so I would like to hear how de Bruyne is having a more successful campaign?

 

[SwansonsTache]

I guess you must have missed the impact that de Gea had away at Arsenal, because he sure had as big an impact on one match as any player has had one any other match.

Also how is De Bruyne having a more successful campaign than de Gea?? De Gea has kept more clean sheets than anyone else, which is last time I checked his main job, so I would like to hear how de Bruyne is having a more successful campaign?

KDB is having a better season by being the dynamo behind damn near every attack for the PL leader, match in match out.

 

[James Peril]

De Bruyne is good no doubt, but better than de Gea, no not for me.

A GK is vastly less important than an attacking player like KdB - everyone knows that except for you. The difference between a great outfielder vs. a crap one is huge, a poor GK can still keep a donut for a good team vs. a poor team. There is a reason why an outfield player can be put in goal without ruining the game, but if you put a GK as a midfielder and he’d ruin the game.

 

[RedRom]

Relative to position means nothing though. Suggesting De Gea is better than De Bruyne...maybe watch hockey instead of football?

Which hockey, ice or normal hockey?

Both are very good players no doubt there, but out of interest what more would de Gea have to do to be actually perceived as being better than de Bruyne in your eyes then?

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I guess you must have missed the impact that de Gea had away at Arsenal, because he sure had as big an impact on one match as any player has had one any other match.

Also how is De Bruyne having a more successful campaign than de Gea?? De Gea has kept more clean sheets than anyone else, which is last time I checked his main job, so I would like to hear how de Bruyne is having a more successful campaign?

KDB is the reason City are miles ahead of anyone else. They are attack, attack, attack and blitz teams. Our side isn't and that is why DDG stands out for us, but it is also why we are miles behind City, because they score more than us.

 

[Dumbstar]

I thought Salah was going to be the league’s top scorer earlier in the season, but Kane and Aguero have been relentless.

You could see when he took that penalty off Milner that he badly wants to be top scorer in the PL before he goes to Real. He'll have renewed vigour to score as many as possible against Southampton now that he's being challenged by Aguero too.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

Simple question

Who would swap De Gea for de Bruyne?

 

[James Peril]

I guess you must have missed the impact that de Gea had away at Arsenal, because he sure had as big an impact on one match as any player has had one any other match.

Also how is De Bruyne having a more successful campaign than de Gea?? De Gea has kept more clean sheets than anyone else, which is last time I checked his main job, so I would like to hear how de Bruyne is having a more successful campaign?

Another GK like Romero could still do a decent job, much easier than copying the passing and movement from KdB. I am not playing DDG down, he is the best around, but a GK is not the most important position. You can win a game even if you let in 2 goals, but you will never with a game without scoring.

 

[SwansonsTache]

Simple question

Who would swap De Gea for de Bruyne?

I would, in a heartbeat. Would even sugar it with some money.

 

[RedRom]

A GK is vastly less important than an attacking player like KdB - everyone knows that except for you. The difference between a great outfielder vs. a crap one is huge, a poor GK can still keep a donut for a good team vs. a poor team. There is a reason why an outfield player can be put in goal without ruining the game, but if you put a GK as a midfielder and he’d ruin the game.

Name me any successful team that has had a poor keeper? You tend not to be successful without one.
Goalkeepers are vital to how a team does, look at for example Bravo at City, of you have a rubbish one, no amount of de Bruyne's are going to rescue you, whereas if you have a good one, like de Gea you are more likely to challenge for major honours.

That is the importance of the goalie in a side, so I don't see why you are so quick to write them off.

 

[James Peril]

Simple question

Who would swap De Gea for de Bruyne?

Easily, yes - putting all emotions aside. We could buy a new GK the next day that would be a notch behind de Gea, but he could still get the most clean sheets next year. We would never get a player like KdB in the market and he’s worth much more than de Gea.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Easily, yes - putting all emotions aside. We could buy a new GK the next day that would be a notch behind de Gea, but he could still get the most clean sheets next year. We would never get a player like KdB in the market and he’s worth much more than de Gea.

How much would KBD be worth now?

 

[RedRom]

Another GK like Romero could still do a decent job, much easier than copying the passing and movement from KdB. I am not playing DDG down, he is the best around, but a GK is not the most important position. You can win a game even if you let in 2 goals, but you will never with a game without scoring.

You can of course win a game without scoring, if the opposition score an own goal or two!
Having a very good goalkeeper is vital if a team wants to achieve any level of success, it really is that simple.

 

[RedRom]

Easily, yes - putting all emotions aside. We could buy a new GK the next day that would be a notch behind de Gea, but he could still get the most clean sheets next year. We would never get a player like KdB in the market and he’s worth much more than de Gea.

He is currently only worth much more than de Gea due to Dave having less time left on his contract then de Bruyne.
If both were to have similar length contracts,then both would be worth similar amounts.

 

[Canagel]

If KdB doesn’t do that for you, I guess you need some Specsavers as you Brita say. They don’t have a Hazard or Messi, but few teams do.

KDB is great with his final ball and his workrate is insane but I don't get excited when he's on the ball. I'm not sure why but it's true.

 

[AltiUn]

Relative to position means nothing though. Suggesting De Gea is better than De Bruyne...maybe watch hockey instead of football?

Jeez, and I actually thought you were a good poster and then you hit me with that.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

He is currently only worth much more than de Gea due to Dave having less time left on his contract then de Bruyne.
If both were to have similar length contracts,then both would be worth similar amounts.

No they wouldn't because clubs don't want to pay astronimic amounts for a goalkeeper. Midfielders and forward sell shirts, goalkeepers only sell shirts to kids who want to be a goalkeeper.

 

[James Peril]

Name me any successful team that has had a poor keeper? You tend not to be successful without one.
Goalkeepers are vital to how a team does, look at for example Bravo at City, of you have a rubbish one, no amount of de Bruyne's are going to rescue you, whereas if you have a good one, like de Gea you are more likely to challenge for major honours.

That is the importance of the goalie in a side, so I don't see why you are so quick to write them off.

Who is talking about a poor goalkeeper? What had that got to do with anything we are discussing? The difference between an exceptional GK and a good GK is lesser than the same comprison between midfielders - easy as that. A decent goalie still saves shots, although less of them. A just decent goalie still has reflexes and instincts to save most shots.

Real won the CL last year with Navas, Barcelona ruled the world with Valdes, Liverpool won the CL with Dudek, Leicester won the league with Schmeichel (who messed up massively today). Again, you need a good GK, not necessarily a great one. An exceptional midfielder is much more important than a great GK (if you have a good one). Feel like I’ve written the word «good» 45 times the last minute - sorry.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

KDB is great with his final ball and his workrate is insane but I don't get excited when he's on the ball. I'm not sure why but it's true.

He’s just so effortlessly efficient. Should have been German instead of Belgian.

 

[RedRom]

They could, but why has Buffon never won the top awards? Goalkeeping just isn't a very sexy position.

I thought for a moment you were saying that Buffon was not a handsome fellow!
I was about to have a discussion over that!
But then I realised what you meant, and I would have to disagree, being a goalkeeper is a "sexy" position, as much as any position can be "sexy".

They rarely deserve the award.

But we rarely see goalkeepers as good as Dave.

 

[Emptihead]

You can build a team around a great midfielder like DeBruyne. Can't build one around a goalkeeper. De Gea is the best goalkeeper in the world and definitely gets you points, but a world class midfielder will always contribute more then the keeper.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I thought for a moment you were saying that Buffon was not a handsome fellow!
I was about to have a discussion over that!
But then I realised what you meant, and I would have to disagree, being a goalkeeper is a "sexy" position, as much as any position can be "sexy".




But we rarely see goalkeepers as good as Dave.

So Big Pete wasn't great? VdS wasn't great? We won the CL with them and Big Pete kept us in that game and VdS saved the penalty that won us the cup. DDG has won one league title in a still fantastic team. We have not won it since.

 

[ThatsGreat]

This is the player Real should be spending 200m on.They can get any average striker and KDB will make him look like Kane,

 

[DomesticTadpole]

This is the player Real should be spending 200m on.They can get any average striker and KDB will make him look like Kane,

He's better than Hazard and not sure he would down tools like him.

 

[breakout67]

I'm with @RedRom on this one. If De Gea won the world cup for Spain or the CL with his club then he would have been much more highly rated.

The reality is that he has not had the team in front of him to give him the recognition he deserves.

That one year Neuer was getting rave reviews was because Germany and Bayern were fantastic so he got the exposure.

 

[bosnian_red]

He is currently only worth much more than de Gea due to Dave having less time left on his contract then de Bruyne.
If both were to have similar length contracts,then both would be worth similar amounts.

Nah. Goalkeepers will never be worth the same as any outfield player. Obviously De Gea is the best in the world, but De Bruyne is probably the best midfielder in the world. It's not even close, outfield players will always be more valuable because they impact the game loads. A goalkeeper can only do so much at the end of the day, and with the right system, you can make do with an average goalkeeper with the rest of your team dominating (what Barcelona did for years with Victor Valdes).

 

[ThatsGreat]

He's better than Hazard and not sure he would down tools like him.

Don't know how he ended up at city. Bayern/Real/Utd should've got him when he was at Wolfsberg.

 

[giorno]

Which hockey, ice or normal hockey?

Both are very good players no doubt there, but out of interest what more would de Gea have to do to be actually perceived as being better than de Bruyne in your eyes then?

De Gea could NEVER be better than De Bruyne because he's a goalkeeper, the other guy is a creative attacking midfielder

 

[RedRom]

Nah. Goalkeepers will never be worth the same as any outfield player. Obviously De Gea is the best in the world, but De Bruyne is probably the best midfielder in the world. It's not even close, outfield players will always be more valuable because they impact the game loads. A goalkeeper can only do so much at the end of the day, and with the right system, you can make do with an average goalkeeper with the rest of your team dominating (what Barcelona did for years with Victor Valdes).

I would say that Messi is still a better midfielder than de Bruyne, so you are wrong to suggest that de Bruyne is the best midfielder in the world.

 

[bosnian_red]

I'm with @RedRom on this one. If De Gea won the world cup for Spain or the CL with his club then he would have been much more highly rated.

The reality is that he has not had the team in front of him to give him the recognition he deserves.

That one year Neuer was getting rave reviews was because Germany and Bayern were fantastic so he got the exposure.

He's already rated as the best goalkeeper in the world. When comparing with some of the best outfield players in the world, it's not a contest. Look at Victor Valdes. The guy was an average goalkeeper and just pretty good with the ball at his feet, yet he was part of probably the best side ever in Pep's Barcelona.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

So Big Pete wasn't great? VdS wasn't great? We won the CL with them and Big Pete kept us in that game and VdS saved the penalty that won us the cup. DDG has won one league title in a still fantastic team. We have not won it since.

I don’t really see DDG as any better than VDS for us. VDS was immense too. Might be an unpopular opinion but VDS was the best I have seen for United.

 

[RedRom]

De Gea could NEVER be better than De Bruyne because he's a goalkeeper, the other guy is a creative attacking midfielder

Never??

I don't personally agree with your viewpoint here.

 

[bosnian_red]

I would say that Messi is still a better midfielder than de Bruyne, so you are wrong to suggest that de Bruyne is the best midfielder in the world.

Messi doesn't play as a midfielder so why mention it? And not part of the point at all? I could name you probably 15 players who would and should be worth more then De Gea or any other goalkeeper. Goalkeepers can't make a team great, no matter the manager. Great outfield players can, with the right manager.

 

[Bastian]

So you were perfectly fine when we sold Di Maria.?

I fail to see the comparison mate. I don't think Di Maria had the mentality to be here, but Jose of course has said he wouldn't have sold him.

 

[giorno]

Jeez, and I actually thought you were a good poster and then you hit me with that.

Ice hockey. Goalkeepers are the most important players on the ice and a great goalkeeper is generally going to be better than a skater, unless the skater is someone like crosby or gretzky. In football, keepers just aren't as important as attacking players

 

[Canagel]

He’s just so effortlessly efficient. Should have been German instead of Belgian.

Yeah. He doesn't have the flair you typically associate with players of his position but he's mastered the final ball and keeps playing it over and over again with the exact same accuracy and weight. Like the famous Bruce Lee once said " I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times".

 

[giorno]

Never??

I don't personally agree with your viewpoint here.

The goal is 7 meters for 2.70 iirc. No human being is ever going to shut it down. Buffon broke the record for minutes without conceding a goal in serie A two seasons ago, he had to make about 3 saves during that stretch. Before him, the record belonged to sebastiano rossi.

No goalkeeper ever could be compared to a great attacking player in football. The impact they have on the team and the game is just on a different level