Does who we sign next really matter anymore

[Peanut Butter]

I think that United fans on a forum like this should be able to have decent discussions rather than just digs, let's forget the table for a moment . We finish second but do you see this manager being able to take this team to another level ? Have you seen anything going forward that suggests that we are becoming better in attack ?

Yes I think we will win trophies with Jose Mourinho.

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

It won't because as long as our football is chaotic and relies heavily on individual performances/miracles or mistakes by the opponent, any new signing will find it tough.

It just defies belief , in the biggest game of the season we had 4 attackers who had to come deep to get the ball and then create something by themselves against 8 or 9 opposition players . Messi would struggle with this

 

[Jib]

Mourinho could take over the squad at City and still fail to match Pep. He's a dinosaur.

This

 

[AndyJ1985]

No, it makes absolutely no difference who we sign. For 5 years now we've gone in to every transfer window saying we only need such and such....but we're no better off. We spend and spend and we still play shit on a stick football. Time to get real and stop blaming the players. The horrible managers we've had post-Ferguson have been the problem.

 

[manunited1919]

I think that anyone can see that this isn't about the quality of players we get anymore , unlike the lvg era we are now in a great position to move on with a progressive manager . Is there really anyone that we could sign who would change us if Jose remained the manager? We have been 7th and had a lot of shit losses but this is the worst I have felt since fergie left because before this I always thought that we would become better but now I am certain that we won't sack Jose and it is not going to better

Oh, just grow up!

 

[marktan]

He deserves nothing. He's spent a fortune and we play terrible football. We've ground our way to second place. And second place wins nothing. Our best chance of a major trophy just came and went with the most disgusting performance imaginable. If this was Real, Barca, or Bayern, he'd be gone.

And who would you have manage instead? He'd be gone at those three clubs because they have top teams in place already that Bob from the youth team could come in and manage. Compared to where Van Gaal left Mourinho's signed some very good players, it's just in the wide attack and full backs where we really need players he's yet to sign anyone.

 

[groovyalbert]

If we were focused entirely on the team and success, we’d be looking to invest far more intelligently rather than going for big name signings and seemingly hoping for the best. Unfortunately whilst top level success evades us that’s our best chance at staying relevant amongst the elites.

 

[Castia]

Nope.

I generally believe you could add Messi and Ronaldo to this team and we’d still struggle. There’s no build up play, little attacking passing, no movement, all we do is hit the ball long from back to front.

 

[Mylock]

I always say it's down to Mourinho's vision, tactics and training.

We always get giddy in the summer when we buy players, it'll happen this year and next year we'll still look lost. I can't even remember Sanchez playing as bad for Arsenal as he is now.

The real issue is whoever we sign deterates as soon as they join united. We buy square pegs for round holes. We buy Sanchez to who can only play in the position where we have Radford and martial plays. Players are bought for their profile not because they suit the system of play. I'd hope psg tempt jose to Paris and We get a manager who can improve the payers we have. At the moment it looks like we need a right back, left back , centre half, midfielder and right winger but the problem is do we trust jose to get it right?

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

Oh, just grow up!

Thanks for the excellent input

 

[C3Pique]

Two words, Pogba and Sanchez. Supposedly world class players who can't play in the same 11. Adding another £300m of ego isn't going to solve anything.

feck this team, honestly. Might as well sell DDG.

 

[Devil may care]

I don't think it matters in regards to attack as what we have should be much better as an attacking unit IMO, I 100% believe a manager with a different mentality would have them killing teams. Defensively though I think Mourinho getting to add an older CB with a bit of nous would help, and in midfield I think even he realizes you need more than what we have, he did use players like Modric, Fabregas and Alonso afterall. Not sure on the FB's as we don't use them well enough due to his cautious set-ups.

 

[Moonred]

Yes it would matter. We win plenty of matches due to moment of good football against poor oppositions by these potentially new recruits. Will take anything at the moment.

It wouldn’t matter if your hope is to see some revolutionary change in our overall football.

 

[Livvie]

No it absolutely doesn't, the football will be similar regardless of personnel. Sure, we may be more clinical or effective but it won't help bridge the quality gap to City, who play as a team, it doesn't matter who's in that team they play with cohesion.

We'll never play with cohesion until we let players play to their strengths instead of putting them in positions that defy their gut instincts. After getting MoM on the left on Saturday, Rashford is put on the right...it makes no sense. Imo, Shaw could be at LB, letting Young play on the wing where he's also good, allowing Sanchez to play a more central role and offering support to a central striker.

 

[simonhch]

And who would you have manage instead? He'd be gone at those three clubs because they have top teams in place already that Bob from the youth team could come in and manage. Compared to where Van Gaal left Mourinho's signed some very good players, it's just in the wide attack and full backs where we really need players he's yet to sign anyone.

But can't you see that it isn't the players? It's the approach to the game. With the players we have, we should be putting teams like Sevilla to the sword. But we played like fecking cowards. That is unacceptable under any circumstances. He can go and spend another fortune but if the approach is inherently negative, it doesn't matter how good your players are.

The man is outdated and clueless. And more to the point, his football fecking sucks. It sucks dirty, sweaty, hairy fecking balls. I HATE watching us play. It's soul destroying.

Who would I have instead? Tuchel is available. Ancelotti is available, poach the Poch from Spurs, or get Allegri from Juve; Luis Enrique is on the market, or even better Jardim from Monaco.

At this point, I'd take all of them over Mourinho at this point. Because I'm sure we'd be competitive, and we might actually be fun to watch. FFS, I can't take another game under this cnut.

 

[engulfing]

We need more options in midfield. Pogba wad brought on because we didn't have anymore attacking options in midfield. If we had milinkovic-savic, pogba wouldn't have been thrown on to flop.

 

[Kag]

Sign Dybala, or something like that.

You're largely right, of course. I've been saying the same thing for ages. But now it's becoming more clear when the likes of Sanchez (indisputably brilliant player at a worse club who has also done well at Barcelona) plays like complete weapon.

 

[R'hllor]

Nope and fans act the same way, someone not good enough, get a new one it and hope it will fix things. Said few times already we are like a full pool of ice cold water, we go out and get full bucket of boiling water (Sanchez etc.) and drop it into the pool, at first that very spot get warmer but it fades. So maybe just fecking maybe we should first work on temp. of water what we have in the pool and then adding some boiling shit.

 

[kouroux]

It just defies belief , in the biggest game of the season we had 4 attackers who had to come deep to get the ball and then create something by themselves against 8 or 9 opposition players . Messi would struggle with this

Exactly. You build an attacking system in which the players can thrive in so that when things are tight the individual talent can make the difference when needed to. We are attempting football with an absurd logic.

 

[Pscholes18]

No it doesn't. We've signed Mkhitaryan - Bundesliga player of the year -, Pogba and Sanchez. All 3 prompting mass bedwetting and ejaculation across fan forums, only for all 3 to look shite once coached by the Special One. The problem is the manager.

This is my concern....if he buys all the star power he wants , are we going to get better?

 

[walkinhop]

Well, it does and it doesn't. If you could find another Makelele maybe win can win the Cl. If not he will get us to 10th next season or Pogba and Martial will ask for transfers. Either way, we aint gonna see the United we want anytime soon.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Nope. Mourinho just doesn’t imbue his players with unwavering confidence in his system and his character like he used to.

 

[charlenefan]

Mourinho could take over the squad at City and still fail to match Pep. He's a dinosaur.

Post like this are so stupid, ignoring this tie and concentrating on the league is it Mourinho being a dinosaur that saw us loose to Huddersfield? Of course it isn't because you don't need Pep Guardiola in the dugout to beat Huddersfield, or Stoke or Leicester or any of the other games we've dropped points in that's cost us the league

To answer the OP yes it does matter who we sign next because fundermentally the players we have still aren't good enough proven by the fact that very few are happy with the likes of Smalling and Young in defence, very few are happy when the likes of Herrera and Fellaini play in midfield and quite a number question whether the likes of Lingard and Mata are good enough in attack

 

[Kevin]

Post like this are so stupid, ignoring this tie and concentrating on the league is it Mourinho being a dinosaur that saw us loose to Huddersfield? Of course it isn't because you don't need Pep Guardiola in the dugout to beat Huddersfield, or Stoke or Leicester or any of the other games we've dropped points in that's cost us the league

To answer the OP yes it does matter who we sign next because fundermentally the players we have still aren't good enough proven by the fact that very few are happy with the likes of Smalling and Young in defence, very few are happy when the likes of Herrera and Fellaini play in midfield and quite a number question whether the likes of Lingard and Mata are good enough in attack

It is Mourinho being a dinosaur for looking like his football doesn't work anymore and won't be taking us much further thank you very much. He is done as a true winner. Europa Cups and Carling cups are nice for his first season but that is not what it is about here and clearly not enough for fans to bare with the football he serves us.

 

[Ban]

DDG deserves credit, not Jose. Swap the keepers with Liverpool and they are at least 10 pts ahead. Which shouldn't be the case because Jose has invested in the team way more than Klopp (who lost Coutinho too).

We're 2nd just because of DDG.

Yeah no. And that thing with Liverpool being 10 pts ahead is wrong too.

DDG was brilliant at times but we didn't just stumble upon 2nd.

 

[charlenefan]

It is Mourinho being a dinosaur for looking like his football doesn't work anymore and won't be taking us much further thank you very much. He is done as a true winner. Europa Cups and Carling cups are nice for his first season but that is not what it is about here and clearly not enough for fans to bare with the football he serves us.

Your tag line is apt

 

[JB08]

Pointless post. Of course it matters. What is your point? You want Mourinho sacked?

 

[Kevin]

Your tag line is apt

Uh huh. Next.

 

[marktan]

But can't you see that it isn't the players? It's the approach to the game. With the players we have, we should be putting teams like Sevilla to the sword. But we played like fecking cowards. That is unacceptable under any circumstances. He can go and spend another fortune but if the approach is inherently negative, it doesn't matter how good your players are.

The man is outdated and clueless. And more to the point, his football fecking sucks. It sucks dirty, sweaty, hairy fecking balls. I HATE watching us play. It's soul destroying.

Who would I have instead? Tuchel is available. Ancelotti is available, poach the Poch from Spurs, or get Allegri from Juve; Luis Enrique is on the market, or even better Jardim from Monaco.

At this point, I'd take all of them over Mourinho at this point. Because I'm sure we'd be competitive, and we might actually be fun to watch. FFS, I can't take another game under this cnut.

No, your first sentence isn't remotely true at all. What players do we have that should put Sevilla to the sword? I've been arguing all season that our wide attack + full backs are poor, which is why we struggle in attack. Lukaku is the only attacker that we have that I'd genuinely be sad to see the back off. Lingard, Mata, Sanchez, all of them are ok, but none of them can beat a man like someone like Salah, Sane, Mana or Sterling can. Rashford and Martial have potential, but one plays like a striker on the wing (which he is), the other's very inconsistent and has flaws to his games (like forward runs).

Anyhow on Mourinho I can understand the criticism, the football can be bland at times. I don't mind as sometimes that's what gets you victories. Imo that tactic would work if he'd have actually signed some top wide players and full backs like City have, but he hasn't, so it just ends up looking dire. Personally I'm not sold on anyone of those that you mentioned, they might be good, but they all have flaws too. Tuchel was pretty bad towards the end of his spell at Dortmund, Ancelotti would be very hit and miss, Spurs weren't much better last week, Allegri is an expert in defensive performances. One of them might be good, but it's nowhere near guaranteed. I really just wish Mourinho had signed someone like Salah or Mahrez, I really believe we'd be a lot better. But since he hasn't in either Jan or last summer, I'm not sure he sees the weakness in our attack.

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

Pointless post. Of course it matters. What is your point? You want Mourinho sacked?

I am saying that this man can't take us to the next step regardless of who he signs

 

[JB08]

I am saying that this man can't take us to the next step regardless of who he signs

Okay, that's a fair opinion, but I don't understand why people continue to speak in such extremities.

 

[iluvoursolskjær]

Who we sign doesn’t matter cos we can’t even put our current set of players in their best positions.

 

[Livvie]

Who we sign doesn’t matter cos we can’t even put our current set of players in their best positions.

And that's surely the crux of it? I'd love to see us playing all our players in their best positions, if only to see what the team would be like.

 

[Revan]

If it is a defender or defensive midfielder then probably yes. An attacker, I doubt it. The shit on the stick football which has been Mourinho's strategy from his first day here, isn't suited to attackers and has its limitations, as can be clearly seen.

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

We could buy Messi and he'd look like Benteke. Our scattergun transfer strategy is abysmal.

Very very very true @ bolded


...United have targeted players they want and if the player decides not to move or the club isn’t able to get him before another club does, then they just make a signing for the feck of it. In all honesty Alexis very much seems that way. Not just because it was random and out of the blue with no real meaning/fit, but because it was a neutral move considering it has bumped Martial out of the starting 11. An addition followed directly consequently by a subtraction and it’s give or take about the same thing.

I despise panic moves like that just to be able to satisfy the masses and say well hey look we did something and threw money. Yes the latter is part of it (spending) but it has to be much much more calculated then for just the hell of making a move.

 

[Leftback99]

On a side note. Tonight has also possibly put a dent in our transfer budget for the summer:
- Missing out on €6.5m for going through this round,
- receiving only 1/5th (5 english teams) of the TV pool for only one round (we got nothing for the group stage because we didn't qualify through league position)
- plus lost gate receipts etc in any future rounds.

At least a £10m hit?

 

[IRELANDUNITED]

Up until tonight I was absolutely certain we had the right man in charge, now I'm having serious doubts. I didn't see the game but from what I've heard and been told it was an absolute disgrace. We could have a fantastic starting 11 if they were used right. I wonder what Poch could do with that squad

 

[Jaybomb]

We could sign Messi but as long as we have a back four of Valencia, Smalling, Jones and Young, we’ll win feck all mate.

 

[van Nistelrooy]

Things were worse under LvG.

People seem to have forgotten the night at Wolfsburg...

 

[wolvored]

It doesnt matter because Mous tactics stifle any attacking content. We may as well look to the reserves to see what diamonds we can unearth