Can anyone who thinks we should have an overhaul or sack Mourinho post here please and explain why?

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What had me me going was the belief that with better players, he would be more expansive and more proactive in going after teams.
The Sevilla games killed that for me.
We were up against a side that has inferior quality in a must win game but he still resulted to what we saw I've the two legs.
I've just concluded that, that's who he is and what he's most comfortable doing.
The results might still improve but fundamentally, he will never change.
This.

Are we going to see a different approach to CL knock out games next season?

Because surely none of us can take another Sevilla. He can bring in Alex Sandro, Varane, Savic, Dybala in the summer and still have us playing horrible football at OT in a last 16 tie.
 

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What was the plan with sanchez? He was quoted saying when a player like him becomes available you simply go for him. We have a strong attack force with zero chemistry or cohesion, who else is he expecting to buy that pogba lukaku and sanchez barely fixed
 

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Sack him, bored to death of his defensive style. With the money we spend, we can have offensive football and success, not only success (if Jose doesnt implode soon and fecks off anyway).
 

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Sums it up nicely. If I felt we were building towards something I would say, ok, let's wait and see; but it seems we are destined for a few more years of trying to nullify our opponents rather than striving for success on our own terms.
Yep, if we played like Spurs with their issues I'd be quite happy to give more time and let the manager iron them out as we'd be building an entertaining, progressive side while trying to win things, but I don't want to see Mourinho take us further down the path we are going to try and achieve basic success at the expense of everything else.
 

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He has improved us and there's no arguing he gives 100%, his personality won't let him do otherwise. I have no idea what expectations the board has or if he's meeting them but I still want him to get a proper shot at this job. Although I understand the fans unhappy with our style I don't believe a new manager will improve us much. At the same time I don't feel he should be above criticism either.
 

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He has improved us and there's no arguing he gives 100%, his personality won't let him do otherwise. I have no idea what expectations the board has or if he's meeting them but I still want him to get a proper shot at this job.
Expectation seems to be CL qualification

Moyes: Sacked when CL qualification became impossible
Van Gaal: Remained after achieving CL qualification in his first season but sacked the next season for failing to achieve it despite FA Cup victory
Mou: Still in job after achieving CL qualification even though he finished 6th in the league

I know there were other factors but it appears to board prioritise being the Champions League above all else.
 

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Just bring in an attacking manager and throw out the notion that if we don't beat City to a title when they have spend 10 years and 2bn trying to copy barcelona then we sack him.
 

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Expectation seems to be CL qualification

Moyes: Sacked when CL qualification became impossible
Van Gaal: Remained after achieving CL qualification in his first season but sacked the next season for failing to achieve it despite FA Cup victory
Mou: Still in job after achieving CL qualification even though he finished 6th in the league

I know there were other factors but it appears to board prioritise being the Champions League above all else.
It seems it is unless something higher was set with his contract extension, although watching todays press conference it seems that the board is giving him time to rebuild the squad.
 

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Sums it up nicely. If I felt we were building towards something I would say, ok, let's wait and see; but it seems we are destined for a few more years of trying to nullify our opponents rather than striving for success on our own terms.
Same for me. He does not inspire viewers nor players it seems.
Sack him, bored to death of his defensive style. With the money we spend, we can have offensive football and success, not only success (if Jose doesnt implode soon and fecks off anyway).
Can you all expand on your posts (for the purpose of this thread). I'm trying to decide whether I should temporarily ignore you or not, I'm leaning towards not at atm....
 

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If you want to have a proper shot at the league next year, just sack Mourinho and hire Conte (incidentally he is on his way out at Chelsea and not committed yet). He will keep most of the current roster while drilling them much better and getting them to work as a unit worth more than the sum of its parts. United is also well into Conte's usual narrative when taking jobs at underperforming clubs.
Depressingly, that actually makes a lot of sense.
 

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Do I want him sacked? Still unsure
Will he be sacked? No
Will we win the league or champs league under him? Don’t think so
Next season will be the one that makes or breaks it for Mourinho as far as being United manager
 

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I'd just ignore all the 2007+ posters afro, would be faster! :p
:lol::lol::lol:

Been a fruitful fishing exercise so far. Dunno why I was so adverse to the old ignore button.

The verified moaners badge has been helpful. Good idea whoever came up with that. I'll unignore most of them when things calm down a bit...
 

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It’s some of the dullest football I’ve seen in 35 years. Note the word ‘some’
 

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:lol::lol::lol:

Been a fruitful fishing exercise so far. Dunno why I was so adverse to the old ignore button.

The verified moaners badge has been helpful. Good idea whoever came up with that. I'll unignore most of them when things calm down a bit...
Why are you getting triggered by them? Oh no people don’t agree with my opinions on a forum, so I should ignore them. Why don’t you counter their points rather than telling everyone how big your ignore list has gotten?
 

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I can remember saying when Mourino first came here that his name would attract the better footballers to MU. I'm now saying the opposite.
What star footballer would now want to come here when he doesn't know where to play players and changes the team around for no apparent
good reason, go figure!
It's not working out for Mourino or the fans or the players. I say cut our losses this Summer, but I think the board will keep him on
for another year of the same negative football, unwatchable football.
 

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I on the other hand feel the answers could be favourable to Mourinho. To answer the points 1-6

1- Some of the pieces are still missing, providing that's addressed sure why not? No one knows for sure
2- In terms of league points we're seeing massive improvement, the problem is City raising the bar before we've even reached it so yes obviously Mourinho needs to do even better
3- Yes and No. Injuries to Pogba at a time he was bang at it haven't helped us stay competitive during the first part of the season. Bailly's been a miss as well even if the stats appear to gloss over his absence
4- Possibly yes, no one knows for sure
5- Not going to happen so Mourinho is going to have to find another role for him
6- It's not a given Poch would come to us even if we did want him (nor do I think he'd be the right man for the job), we're not going to get Klopp (nor would I want him) and we're not going to get Pep so who is the other coach that's going to do better? Mourinho is the best man for the job at this moment in time
You are right on the second point. Under normal circumstances, with a more human City, the distance would be much smaller and the general feeling much more positive.
I have doubts about a couple of things, about Pogba and his new role. A midfielder with such talent should not have so many problems to perform. Modric or Silva are good, regardless of where they play, on the right, on the left, without so much analysis about who will accompany him in the pitch.
My other question is when will he get the pieces together?
Normally (although there are exceptions) a coach manages to impose his philosophy and make clear what he will offer during the first months. Simeone did it at Atlético, or Marcelino with a Valencia that was a shame the previous year.
In any case, sacking Mourinho now would be something like watching a tv show throughout the season and leaving when there are a few episodes left, the feeling that there is something to see, or that, having opted for Mourinho is necessary to endure
 
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The club needs restructuring at a much deeper level than the manager or the squad. Modern, successful clubs have clear structures in place from the academy through the scouting team, the coaching set up, the squad, the manager and the board.

Players and coaches are just employees who come in and contribute within that structure - it isn't a case of a new manager or new super star midfielder coming in every 3 or 4 years and trying to recreate the entire club in his image.

Even if you get incredibly fortunate and land men of the calibre of Sir Matt Busby and Sir Alex Ferguson twice per century (which isn't a realistic business model), you still have 49 years in every 100 where lesser men are trying to follow in their footsteps.

I don't see a coach in football at the moment capable of coming in and reshaping United as Fergie or Busby did. Even Pep had groundwork laid for him years before he came to City. In my opinion we need a club driven process, focused on the style of football and investment in youth as the key drivers.

We're successful because of the way we played football - sacrificing the way we play in the name of success (financial or results) is getting it totally arseways and will hurt us in the long term.
 

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Why are you getting triggered by them? Oh no people don’t agree with my opinions on a forum, so I should ignore them. Why don’t you counter their points rather than telling everyone how big your ignore list has gotten?
You're a strange one.... If I don't want to hear it why should I have to? I come here for fun. Seems like you still haven't gotten over the neogaf thread....

Can't figure you out. Counter their points? Why? I did that for a while but its kinda pointless and why I've just decided to use the websites ignore feature and filter the content temporarily.

Slightly off topic but this is the thing with you. We seem to be two completely different people. I pick and choose how and when I engage and you feel compelled to get caught up in threads that you have no interest in.... Case in point, the neogaf thread. Now you're advocating that instead of ignoring stuff that I find tedious, I attempt to engage.... Hmmm. No thanks.

Can we move on now? or are you going to keep stalking me for the foreseeable future? Let me know so I can decide whether to put you on the list too. Your mate got over it ages ago why's it so hard for you?
 
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Jose shouldn't be sacked. We are not Real or Chelsea to sack a manager who has us in a comfortable league position. I still have faith in him. He needs to man up to his mistakes though. Just accept he was tactically off in the CL game rather than defending himself.

We do need new players though. 2 FBs, 2 CMs, a RW and Martial playing on the left consistently. Do that and we will be more or less there.
He might do this privately, but it’s impossible to do it publicly. He would undermine his own authority.
 

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I'd only sack him for a handful of managers and even those would be a gamble but my biggest issue with him is that he's too scared of conceding to let us have a real go in attack.
 

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If he was sacked (and I don't think he will be this summer) it wouldn't be because he's not made progress. It would be because it's deemed that he's reached his limit and there's little confidence he can take us much further given his tenure so far.

I really hope I'm wrong but he's been here two years, we play the same shite in the final third (which suggests to me he's not bothered in the slightest about it) and until that changes, I don't see how we can do much better than float about the 2nd-4th spots without really making a genuine title challenge. I don't think he's getting as much out of the players he's got at all. I think he's making some of our players (attackers mainly) look worse than they really are. What's frightening is the amount of supporters who buy into this nonsense and think if Mourinho just spends another 200-300m that'll solve all that. Teams with way worse personel on the pitch, play better football than we do.

I don't think that's good enough for the resources our manager has available to him. I'm not expecting to win the title every year, I do expect United to be (more often than not) a title contender.
 

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The most worrying aspect of José's tenure here has been his inability to evolve tactically. Ten-to-fifteen years ago, José was undoubtedly the foremost tactical pioneer of his time. Now however, I feel that he has failed to embrace how the game is changing. If you go back to the early 2000s, I would go so far as to say that both attacking and defensive play was much more unstructured than it is today in that managers didn't obsessively focus on positioning and passing in the way that people like José and Guardiola do now (Defensive positioning for José and passing for Guardiola). José took advantage of that from the mid-2000s onward by organising his defence far more effectively than his managerial counterparts. However, adaptation is crucial to survival; other managers around him adapted their defensive systems too, and soon José's defensive advantage had been eroded.

From 2008 onward, Guardiola is the predominant tactical pioneer; in order to keep up with him, managers must adapt how they approach attacking play. However, José still seems to be resisting the call to change, instead believing that worked a decade ago will still work now. Personally, I feel that a laissez-faire approach to organising attacking play is out-dated; consequently, I feel that United won't really make much progress for as long as José is here.

Also, you have to question yourself is José maximising the talents of the players at the club. If Pogba, Sanchez et al continue to under-perform; there are two possible explanations; either these potentially elite-level players are all coincidentally under-performing, or José is failing to get the best out of them. Considering that the first explanation is unlikely given that top-level players shouldn't all coincidentally under-perform for a sustained period of time, I would say that the second explanation is the more likely answer.

Moreover, it only makes sense to sack a manager if you have a viable replacement. If you were to look at Sarri, Tuchel, and Pochettino for instance, they have all embraced the changing game more readily than José; in addition, these managers have generally made efficient use of comparably limited resources at their clubs. IMO, these three managers would have us both performing better and getting better results this season than José had they been United manager.
 

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Well, he's not going to be sacked, so we might as well get used to it. I for one, having thought about it after the Seville game, which was enough to test the patience of any loyal Mourinho supporter, will continue to support him for a third season. I just want us to stretch the patience a little more because it is fairly obvious that although we are not where we want to be, we have certainly improved. I think to pull the rug now would be a mistake.
 

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You're a strange one.... If I don't want to hear it why should I have to? I come here for fun. Seems like you still haven't gotten over the neogaf thread....

Can't figure you out. Counter their points? Why? I did that for a while but its kinda pointless and why I've just decided to use the websites ignore feature and filter the content temporarily.

Slightly off topic but this is the thing with you. We seem to be two completely different people. I pick and choose how and when I engage and you feel compelled to get caught up in threads that you have no interest in.... Case in point, the neogaf thread. Now you're advocating that instead of ignoring stuff that I find tedious, I attempt to engage.... Hmmm. No thanks.

Can we move on now? or are you going to keep stalking me for the foreseeable future? Let me know so I can decide whether to put you on the list too. Your mate got over it ages ago why's it so hard for you?
You wrote a bible here.

Could you please put me in your safe-space-ignore list too, afro?
 

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The most worrying aspect of José's tenure here has been his inability to evolve tactically. Ten-to-fifteen years ago, José was undoubtedly the foremost tactical pioneer of his time. Now however, I feel that he has failed to embrace how the game is changing. If you go back to the early 2000s, I would go so far as to say that both attacking and defensive play was much more unstructured than it is today in that managers didn't obsessively focus on positioning and passing in the way that people like José and Guardiola do now (Defensive positioning for José and passing for Guardiola). José took advantage of that from the mid-2000s onward by organising his defence far more effectively than his managerial counterparts. However, adaptation is crucial to survival; other managers around him adapted their defensive systems too, and soon José's defensive advantage had been eroded.

From 2008 onward, Guardiola is the predominant tactical pioneer; in order to keep up with him, managers must adapt how they approach attacking play. However, José still seems to be resisting the call to change, instead believing that worked a decade ago will still work now. Personally, I feel that a laissez-faire approach to organising attacking play is out-dated; consequently, I feel that United won't really make much progress for as long as José is here.

Also, you have to question yourself is José maximising the talents of the players at the club. If Pogba, Sanchez et al continue to under-perform; there are two possible explanations; either these potentially elite-level players are all coincidentally under-performing, or José is failing to get the best out of them. Considering that the first explanation is unlikely given that top-level players shouldn't all coincidentally under-perform for a sustained period of time, I would say that the second explanation is the more likely answer.

Moreover, it only makes sense to sack a manager if you have a viable replacement. If you were to look at Sarri, Tuchel, and Pochettino for instance, they have all embraced the changing game more readily than José; in addition, these managers have generally made efficient use of comparably limited resources at their clubs. IMO, these three managers would have us both performing better and getting better results this season than José had they been United manager.
Although I want Jose to stay, I have to say that's a really good post with very solid arguments.
 

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Why can't he just go back to how we played at the start of the season? It was obviously OK then so why not let them loose and see what happens - certainly nowt to lose.
 

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You wrote a bible here.

Could you please put me in your safe-space-ignore list too, afro?
It was directed at that poster not you. I don't know you so unless you're telling me you're one of the incessant moaners on this site that I'm trying to tune out for the time being then I don't know why I should or would put you on ignore.

Feel free to ignore me tho if that's what you want.
 

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Should ask if Pep still want Sanchez...And sign a true Right attacker for once
 

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When I see him trying to keep hold of players like Fellaini and Rojo I definitely don't want him responsible for any overhaul
 

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He needs to go if he doesn’t play more attacking football it’s that simple. Those tactics against Sevilla are totally unacceptable.
If he does not change his style and we have the same as that in a CL knockout tie against a very beatable team then what is the point?
 

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Should ask if Pep still want Sanchez...And sign a real Right attacker for once.
Sanchez just signed, let's give him a chance. It's evident he want's to do better and I'm positive he will.
 

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I wouldnt be sorry to see Mourinho go rn but at the same time I can see his good characteristics as a manager as well. However, the fact remains we haven't employed an attacking manager in the Fergie style since his retirement. None of Moyes, LVG or Mourinho style suits United or what the fans want to see. With the players we have as well as adding more in our problem areas, I don't see how we'd be any worse off at this stage next year then where we are now especially if we have a manager in charge that will play players in their proper positions as well as improve our attacking cohesion. Mourinho may well get us more silverware but I don't see any promising long term set up with him in charge.
 

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OVERHAUL!!

Replace:

Ibrahimovic
Carrick
Fellaini
Blind
Darmian
Smalling
Jones
 

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I don't know what we should do. The problem I have is that it looks/feels like no matter who's in the squad, hell we could sign Ronaldo it wouldn't make much difference because the setup and style of play is so bad that even the worlds best wouldn't be able to carry the shity tactics.

I mean if we spent £200m in the summer and signed 2 quality midfielders what would it really achieve? We're still hitting long balls up to Lukaku, we're still playing deep defensive football, we're still just smashing balls out of defence and hoping for the best, I honestly dont see a bright light at the end of the tunnel.
 

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In my opinion fans are too impatient with managers these days. Clubs too. But this season was always going to be a challenge for Mourinho and United after the success of last season. It's a step up.

I firmly believe United are in a strong position to compete for the PL next season with Mourinho in charge. I think Mourinho has made too much progress with United to sack him now. I also believe Mourinho can lead United to more success.
 

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Bizarre thread. Don't understand how anyone can use a terrible defeat to score petty points on a forum.
 

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Bizarre thread. Don't understand how anyone can use a terrible defeat to score petty points on a forum.
I was thinking the same thing, how has this thread not been shut down for being a waste of time and some guy being a complete tool. Pettiness to the next level. Reading the title it smelt like a trap and at least the creator fessed up to what it is, but man what a joke.