The Spurs thread | 2017-18 season | Serious thread - wummers/derailers will be threadbanned

[GlastonSpur]

... I hope the new stadium can retain some of this but I fear it'll be built for comfort rather than atmosphere like too many a modern venue.

The distances from the front row to the touchline will range from just 4.9 metres to 7.9 metres. All seats will have uninterrupted views.

As for sound and atmosphere, the stadium designers say:

"We worked with a company called Vanguardia, who bring in acousticians, guys who are sound engineers. Atmosphere is made up of a bunch of things – a bit of science and a bit of art. One of the really important things we spent a lot of time with them on, and part of the driver for the ... south stand [17,500 single-tier, the largest in the UK, which aims to provide a ‘wall of sound’] was about creating more clean reverberation times so songs last longer. The studies we’ve done with them shows when you start breaking up acoustics everyone gets out of sync, singing 'C’mon you Spurs' or whatever the song is, and so they stop singing. So once they create acoustics where they don’t break down, the reverberation times are quicker, they last longer, they get louder, and the louder people get, the louder people around them get, and so the atmosphere and the noise builds.

“It’s about the material the roof’s made of, the shape of the roof, where it inclines and where it doesn’t. We’re lining the underside of the roof with an aluminium soffit lining and it ends up working a bit like a concert hall, so we have sections where we’re adding more absorption where we need it so we have perforated bits with acoustic lining. I mean, it really has been considered much like a concert hall's acoustics would be considered, in order to get this incredible clarity of the acoustics within the seating bowl. The level it’s been taken to is unique. I don’t think we’ve ever done the amount of studies, the amount of work, the discussion of materials – where absorption is, where it isn’t – even how much padding do we have in the seats, where do we have that padding in the seats, which also deals with acoustics."

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/six-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-new-tottenham-stadium

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[Oscar.Z.Acosta]

The distances from the front row to the touchline will range from just 4.9 metres to 7.9 metres. All seats will have uninterrupted views.

As for sound and atmosphere, the stadium designers say:

"We worked with a company called Vanguardia, who bring in acousticians, guys who are sound engineers. Atmosphere is made up of a bunch of things – a bit of science and a bit of art. One of the really important things we spent a lot of time with them on, and part of the driver for the ... south stand [17,500 single-tier, the largest in the UK, which aims to provide a ‘wall of sound’] was about creating more clean reverberation times so songs last longer. The studies we’ve done with them shows when you start breaking up acoustics everyone gets out of sync, singing 'C’mon you Spurs' or whatever the song is, and so they stop singing. So once they create acoustics where they don’t break down, the reverberation times are quicker, they last longer, they get louder, and the louder people get, the louder people around them get, and so the atmosphere and the noise builds.

“It’s about the material the roof’s made of, the shape of the roof, where it inclines and where it doesn’t. We’re lining the underside of the roof with an aluminium soffit lining and it ends up working a bit like a concert hall, so we have sections where we’re adding more absorption where we need it so we have perforated bits with acoustic lining. I mean, it really has been considered much like a concert hall's acoustics would be considered, in order to get this incredible clarity of the acoustics within the seating bowl. The level it’s been taken to is unique. I don’t think we’ve ever done the amount of studies, the amount of work, the discussion of materials – where absorption is, where it isn’t – even how much padding do we have in the seats, where do we have that padding in the seats, which also deals with acoustics."

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Perhaps more an indication of how sad one is than anything else, I found that information very interesting. I hope the art/science theory works.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

Perhaps more an indication of how sad one is than anything else, I found that information very interesting. I hope the art/science theory works.

While I hope the science is correct, there is definitely something more special about a smaller ground like the old Lane when it was rocking, you could feel the atmosphere right through you.

 

[Oscar.Z.Acosta]

While I hope the science is correct, there is definitely something more special about a smaller ground like the old Lane when it was rocking, you could feel the atmosphere right through you.

Absolutely. I lived near Loftus Road back when I was young and free and it used to have a great atmosphere with only 20/25,000 fans in there because of the small stadium size. It's a shame we're losing these old traditional stadiums (as West Ham fans would testify), but you can't fight financial progress (apparently).

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

Absolutely. I lived near Loftus Road back when I was young and free and it used to have a great atmosphere with only 20/25,000 fans in there because of the small stadium size. It's a shame we're losing these old traditional stadiums (as West Ham fans would testify), but you can't fight financial progress (apparently).

I agree, it was a step we definitely needed to take though and I'm just so glad we got the same site. West Ham got sold an absolute joke. They are in an athletic stadium that they don't even own and no one wants to sponsor for obvious reasons. If I was a Hammer fan I would be absolutely livid.

 

[GlastonSpur]

Absolutely. I lived near Loftus Road back when I was young and free and it used to have a great atmosphere with only 20/25,000 fans in there because of the small stadium size. It's a shame we're losing these old traditional stadiums (as West Ham fans would testify), but you can't fight financial progress (apparently).

And they'd be right with regards to their new stadium, whose front row of the top tier is no closer to the pitch than the back rows will be at our new ground.

 

[Oscar.Z.Acosta]

And they'd be right with regards to their new stadium, whose front row of the top tier is no closer to the pitch than the back rows will be at our new ground.

To you and InLevyITrust, I think you dodged a very nasty bullet not winning the Olympic Stadium bid. But the current travails at West Ham couldn't happen to more deserving 'humans' than the esteemed West Ham owners and board. We United fans have had problems with Levy's careful attitude to money, but he's a very sound person to have directing your club, in my view.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

To you and InLevyITrust, I think you dodged a very nasty bullet not winning the Olympic Stadium bid. But the current travails at West Ham couldn't happen to more deserving 'humans' than the esteemed West Ham owners and board. We United fans have had problems with Levy's careful attitude to money, but he's a very sound person to have directing your club, in my view.

I honestly don't think we were that intrested once we were told we wouldn't be allowed to knock the stadium down and rebuild, I think the rest was simply Levy trolling the West Ham board . Brady coming out saying they had beat us to the stadium was funny. I honestly hope Levy writes a biography at some point, but I very much doubt he will.

 

[Oscar.Z.Acosta]

I honestly don't think we were that intrested once we were told we wouldn't be allowed to knock the stadium down and rebuild, I think the rest was simply Levy trolling the West Ham board . Brady coming out saying they had beat us to the stadium was funny. I honestly hope Levy writes a biography at some point, but I very much doubt he will.

A Levy biography would be most interesting and never say never...

Please forgive me moderators as this is slightly off-topic, but the comments section of this brilliant interview is one that I hope Brady reads and understands (doubtful, but you never know): https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...y-from-anything-and-im-not-going-to-start-now

 

[Scroto Baggins]

Chelsea should do them at Stamford Bridge, when was the last time Spurs actually got a win at The Bridge?

 

[CapitalismSucks]

Chelsea should do them at Stamford Bridge, when was the last time Spurs actually got a win at The Bridge?

That would be pre-PL era. 1990. Insane.

 

[balaks]

Chelsea should do them at Stamford Bridge, when was the last time Spurs actually got a win at The Bridge?

They always beat us there and I fully expect the same result this weekend.

 

[CapitalismSucks]

They always beat us there and I fully expect the same result this weekend.

Well, I think we`ve played there 31 times (including cups) since our last win. 0-11-20.
Not quite always, but surreal stat.

 

[theyneverlearn]

Tottenham are failing their fans - how have they got it so wrong with season ticket prices at the new stadium?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...ing-fans-have-got-wrong-season-ticket-prices/

Pretty damning article for fans to read.

 

[Random Task]

Tottenham are failing their fans - how have they got it so wrong with season ticket prices at the new stadium?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...ing-fans-have-got-wrong-season-ticket-prices/

Pretty damning article for fans to read.

A raise in ticket pricing was always on the cards given the cost to build the new stadium. If Spurs fans were expecting them to remain the same as WHL, they were in denial.

 

[Scroto Baggins]

Bit unfair to say , because they’re sitting in 17th it was average result , I think since 2nd Jan the only team they’ve lost to is us and Brighton , and before their new manager came in they were stranded at the bottom , so their current form is probably around 10th or better . Be interesting to see how you get on next week and see How average they are

Routine 2-0 win, could have been more, to be expected against like I said, a poor Swansea side.

 

[Fabian Keller]

Amazing that their best defender is out and his presence is not missed at all. To the point where he is being frozen out, and the fans aren't bothered. They hold 100% faith in the coach to replace him. Which they have with Sanchez. They did the same with Walker last season.

We should throw the book at Poch.

 

[Scroto Baggins]

Amazing that their best defender is out and his presence is not missed at all. To the point where he is being frozen out, and the fans aren't bothered. They hold 100% faith in the coach to replace him. Which they have with Sanchez. They did the same with Walker last season.

We should throw the book at Poch.

Well Sanchez was not an unknown, a lot of big clubs were in for him, Spurs paid a lot for him, 40mil?. He was recognised as a raw diamond, Juve, Bayern, Barca, all interested, but he chose Spurs because of the game time he would get. Pretty much has walked into their first team either as part of a back 3 with the Belgian duo or partnering Vertonghen and filling in for Alderweireld. So for me it seems he made the right choice rather than warming the bench at Bayern or Barca.

Trippier whilst Walker was at Spurs played in rotation. He had more in his locker with delivery and football brain, but lacked Walkers explosive pace and power.

Big questions over Alderweireld now, where is he headed? I would definitely take him.

 

[SambaBoy]

Well Sanchez was not an unknown, a lot of big clubs were in for him, Spurs paid a lot for him, 40mil?. He was recognised as a raw diamond, Juve, Bayern, Barca, all interested, but he chose Spurs because of the game time he would get. Pretty much has walked into their first team either as part of a back 3 with the Belgian duo or partnering Vertonghen and filling in for Alderweireld. So for me it seems he made the right choice rather than warming the bench at Bayern or Barca.

Trippier whilst Walker was at Spurs played in rotation. He had more in his locker with delivery and football brain, but lacked Walkers explosive pace and power.

Big questions over Alderweireld now, where is he headed? I would definitely take him.

Be stupid not too if that release clause is true, £25m I think it is. Bargain, for one of the top CB's in the world and at a good age. His injury record might be a problem though.

 

[Raru9]

Well, Spurs are very likely to get TOP 4 in the Premier League. They also have a good run in the Champions despite that match against Juve... And they are still for winning the FA Cup.

I wonder if Toby will stay or not. Would be a very sign for anyone from the TOP 4.

 

[Angry Virginian]

Be stupid not too if that release clause is true, £25m I think it is. Bargain, for one of the top CB's in the world and at a good age. His injury record might be a problem though.

The £25m release clause is activated after the 2018-2019 season. He will probably be sold for more than £50m this window should Poch decide to let him go.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

The distances from the front row to the touchline will range from just 4.9 metres to 7.9 metres. All seats will have uninterrupted views.

Are you sure about those numbers? I wouldn't have though 4.9m could be qualified by 'just'. Thats a big distance. I assume the 7.9m must be the front row seats behind the dugout.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

Amazing that their best defender is out and his presence is not missed at all. To the point where he is being frozen out, and the fans aren't bothered. They hold 100% faith in the coach to replace him. Which they have with Sanchez. They did the same with Walker last season.

We should throw the book at Poch.

While I agree with most of what you say, IMO Vertongen has been our best defender for years. Toby is top class no doubt but if it was a choice of losing him or Jan I'd have to say farewell to Toby. I am pretty sure he will be sold this summer, preferably abroad. Unless he signs a new contract I doubt he has a future at Spurs.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

The £25m release clause is activated after the 2018-2019 season. He will probably be sold for more than £50m this window should Poch decide to let him go.

You are correct.

 

[Scroto Baggins]

While I agree with most of what you say, IMO Vertongen has been our best defender for years. Toby is top class no doubt but if it was a choice of losing him or Jan I'd have to say farewell to Toby. I am pretty sure he will be sold this summer, preferably abroad. Unless he signs a new contract I doubt he has a future at Spurs.

Whos coming in to replace Alderweireld? Seems you would be light on CB's with just Vertonghen, who is no spring chicken, Sanchez and Dier, who can cover CB in a pinch but is mostly a DM. One injury to Vertonghen and you are down to having to play Dier as CB and any rotation will be with a young relatively unproven Foyth.

What about Rose? He was kicking up a fuss about pay and looking to move elsewhere? Even coming out and giving an interview about how he wanted more money. Still being sold? If so who are you bringing in as a replacement to play in rotation with Davies?

 

[balaks]

Whos coming in to replace Alderweireld? Seems you would be light on CB's with just Vertonghen, who is no spring chicken, Sanchez and Dier, who can cover CB in a pinch but is mostly a DM. One injury to Vertonghen and you are down to having to play Dier as CB and any rotation will be with a young relatively unproven Foyth.

What about Rose? He was kicking up a fuss about pay and looking to move elsewhere? Even coming out and giving an interview about how he wanted more money. Still being sold? If so who are you bringing in as a replacement to play in rotation with Davies?

I expect Foyth to get more chances next year as he has looked excellent in the games he has played for us. Rose I expect to leave in the summer.

 

[VorZakone]

How advanced is the new Spurs stadium compared to Arsenal's stadium by the way?

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

Whos coming in to replace Alderweireld? Seems you would be light on CB's with just Vertonghen, who is no spring chicken, Sanchez and Dier, who can cover CB in a pinch but is mostly a DM. One injury to Vertonghen and you are down to having to play Dier as CB and any rotation will be with a young relatively unproven Foyth.

What about Rose? He was kicking up a fuss about pay and looking to move elsewhere? Even coming out and giving an interview about how he wanted more money. Still being sold? If so who are you bringing in as a replacement to play in rotation with Davies?

No idea on who would come in as a CB replacement but would be surprised if we went back to Ajax for de Ligt, that's just opinion.

Rose has been absolute gash since his injury and honestly if we could get a good fee for him I'd happily move him on. After his interview in The Sun he did apologise and was seen with a big grin pointing at the badge. Been heavily linked with Sessingon and would fit our transfer style but IMO he will end up more a winger than a FB.

 

[NK86]

No idea on who would come in as a CB replacement but would be surprised if we went back to Ajax for de Ligt, that's just opinion.

Rose has been absolute gash since his injury and honestly if we could get a good fee for him I'd happily move him on. After his interview in The Sun he did apologise and was seen with a big grin pointing at the badge. Been heavily linked with Sessingon and would fit our transfer style but IMO he will end up more a winger than a FB.

Sessengon will have a whole host of top clubs lining up to sign him. We need a LB urgently and would not mind us trying to sign him.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

Sessengon will have a whole host of top clubs lining up to sign him. We need a LB urgently and would not mind us trying to sign him.

Oh no doubt he will, but is he ready for a move to United? Is Jose a manager who will be patient with him?

 

[hellohello]

Sessengon will have a whole host of top clubs lining up to sign him. We need a LB urgently and would not mind us trying to sign him.

That's true, but you can also make an argument for why he should choose Spurs over other top clubs, for example United.

 

[NK86]

That's true, but you can also make an argument for why he should choose Spurs over other top clubs, for example United.

Oh no doubt he will, but is he ready for a move to United? Is Jose a manager who will be patient with him?

In the end it will depend on the player and what he hopes to achieve. If he wants to learn his trade in a relatively less pressure environment, then he could choose Spurs over others.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

In the end it will depend on the player and what he hopes to achieve. If he wants to learn his trade in a relatively less pressure environment, then he could choose Spurs over others.

Well you could look at it like that or you could say we are better at developing younger talent.

 

[TheReligion]

Well you could look at it like that or you could say we are better at developing younger talent.

History would say you were wrong with that. Especially when you see Rashford, Lingard and Mctominay as regulars currently. Could even argue Pogba given he's home grown.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

History would say you were wrong with that. Especially when you see Rashford, Lingard and Mctominay as regulars currently. Could even argue Pogba given he's home grown.

Rashford and Mctominay I will give you but Lingaurd and Pogba are both 25.

 

[TheReligion]

Rashford and Mctominay I will give you but Lingaurd and Pogba are both 25.

Yeah.. but they were both developed by united.. Which is kind of the point your making?

 

[Acrobat7]

Well Sanchez was not an unknown, a lot of big clubs were in for him, Spurs paid a lot for him, 40mil?. He was recognised as a raw diamond, Juve, Bayern, Barca, all interested, but he chose Spurs because of the game time he would get. Pretty much has walked into their first team either as part of a back 3 with the Belgian duo or partnering Vertonghen and filling in for Alderweireld. So for me it seems he made the right choice rather than warming the bench at Bayern or Barca.

That must have been the English media reporting, since there was nothing about Bayern being interested in the German media. Barca was mentioned on the other hand.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

Yeah.. but they were both developed by united.. Which is kind of the point your making?

Yeah but were either given a regular football at 18? I would say Sessengon if he leaves would be looking to be a rotation player at least. I honestly think he should stay at Fulham for at least another season as he seems to be thriving there.

 

[TheReligion]

Yeah but were either given a regular football at 18? I would say Sessengon if he leaves would be looking to be a rotation player at least. I honestly think he should stay at Fulham for at least another season as he seems to be thriving there.

I thought you were saying Spurs are a better club at developing players? With regards to any full back moving to United right now given the situation we are in I would say that have a great opportunity to nail down a place in the side for the next 10 years of they want. Not a bad career prospect when you look at it like that!

 

[roonster09]

Yeah but were either given a regular football at 18? I would say Sessengon if he leaves would be looking to be a rotation player at least. I honestly think he should stay at Fulham for at least another season as he seems to be thriving there.

Which are these players who were given regular mins when they were 18?

Danny Rose joined as a 18 year old and was on loan forever before making it at Spurs when he was 23-24.
Davinson Sanchez is 21
When Kane was 18, he was on loan at Championship clubs. He was regular for Spurs when he was 21.
Alli joined when he was 19 and started playing from the first game.
Winks is still not a regular, he was 20 when he made PL debut.
Kyle Walker peters is 20 and will be 21 in 10 days and till date he has made 1 PL start.

Who are these 18 years old getting regular football at Spurs?