Champions League Quarter Finals (3rd - 11th April)

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I want the champions to be in order:

1. Roma (who doesnt love an underdog tale)
2. Bayern
3. Real madrid, they should be least favorites but theyre third thanks to

184729. Liverpool
 

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Mijatovic goal was not offside based on 1998 football rules. Cuadrado did not get a straight red in 2017. The other scenes you showed include no clear referee error, too.
LOL:D:D:D:D
Seriously mate sometimes it is better to stay silent or say that mistakes happen. No clear error???? FFS
 

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That was a soft pen to say the least. They never showed a replay from the opposite side of the pitch so we can somewhat tell how much of a push there was on Vazquez but afterwards 100% not penalty for me.

Deserved red for Buffon. I understand that this was sheer frustration, especially given the foul that led to the penalty but such behavior has never led to something positive. Buffon should have acted like a captain and maintained some composure. He might have saved the penalty but instead Juve would have played with 10 men for 30 minutes even if Ronaldo had missed...
agree with you but easier said than done in those circumstances and after another frustrating game in Turin last week where all decisions went one way
 

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I don't like complaining too much about referee decisions and I would be fine with this incident being a penalty in most cases, but look at this context Juventus-Real history. All "50-50"-decisions happen to go in Real's way:

1998: Mijatovic decides the CL final half a meter offside.

2013: Straight red card to Chiellini in an important group stage game for nothing after Ronaldo fakes getting hit by an elbow.

2017: Straight red card to Cuadrado in the final for unclear reasons after Sergio Ramos throws himself to the ground.

2018: Cuadrado tripped by Carvajal in the box the last minutes of the first leg (0:34).

Yes, Juventus was penalized for the old sporting director Moggi's shameful and dodgy attempts to pick and put pressure on Serie A referees in 2006 and the club paid a heavy price for it. Inter fans are still bringing up one dodgy decision in 1998 (never linked to Calciopoli) as an example of Juventus "stealing Inter's trophy". I wonder what Barca's (just look at the first game vs Roma) and Real's CL advantages can be called in comparison.

Real is always in referees favour in UCL. Same story for Bayern-Real. Just remember last years semi final, it was scandalous.


 
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I wanted Juve to win for onbvious reasons but was relieved in a way. The risk of Liverpool meeting them or Roma in a neutral city was not a pleasant one and surely trouble was on the cards as we have history with these clubs .
 

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Real is always in referees favour in UCL. Same story for Bayern-Real. Just remember last years semi final, it was scandalous
Bayern never reached the semi finals last year.

Could you explain why Ribery wasn't sent off in the CL final of 2013 against Dortmund despite lashing out with his elbow in full view of the ref? Or why Boateng didn't get a second yellow? we all know the answer btw.

And also, if refs are in Real's pocket, then why have they never got passed the second round stage between 2005 and 2010? what happened to your conspiracy?
 

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I don't like complaining too much about referee decisions and I would be fine with this incident being a penalty in most cases, but look at this context Juventus-Real history. All "50-50"-decisions happen to go in Real's way:

1998: Mijatovic decides the CL final half a meter offside.

2013: Straight red card to Chiellini in an important group stage game for nothing after Ronaldo fakes getting hit by an elbow.

2017: Straight red card to Cuadrado in the final for unclear reasons after Sergio Ramos throws himself to the ground.

2018: Cuadrado tripped by Carvajal in the box the last minutes of the first leg (0:34).

Yes, Juventus was penalized for the old sporting director Moggi's shameful and dodgy attempts to pick and put pressure on Serie A referees in 2006 and the club paid a heavy price for it. Inter fans are still bringing up one dodgy decision in 1998 (never linked to Calciopoli) as an example of Juventus "stealing Inter's trophy". I wonder what Barca's (just look at the first game vs Roma) and Real's CL advantages can be called in comparison.
That 98 final was obviously offside but some of these examples are really pathetic. Bringing an incident from the group stage of years ago, really? You think there aren't tens of similar incidents for and against every team that's played long enough in the CL?

Cuadrado incident in the final was a 2nd yellow (not a direct red) and it was for putting his feet on Ramos' toe, the view shows only the upper body which is misleading, plus it was in 84th minute when the match was already 4-1, you can't be serious. It was as an irrelevant as it can get.

And you didn't mention in the 1st leg in Turin where Asamoah elbows Carvajal in the box, that was a clear penalty and red. Or Ramos making your average foul in the 2nd leg but get booked due to Juve players' protesting, leading to him missing the 2nd leg and making things much easier for you.
 

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The more I watch it the more I convince myself it wasn't a penalty. Not sure if I'm being influenced by the media which largely agrees it wasn't a pen. Tricky one.
How is not a Penalty?!?? Benatia pushes him clearly from behind, he pulls a kick on the sternum, even in the post-game he also admits that it is a penalty. I am not authorized to post image or video... but you can find them on the net, everything is very clear.
 

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Real is always in referees favour in UCL. Same story for Bayern-Real. Just remember last years semi final, it was scandalous.
Bayern's 2nd goal was offside (Muller passes the ball with his chest to Lewa who is in an offside position, and later results in an OG)

Vidal should've seen red like 40 minutes before that (can't embed media but search Vidal hits Kroos on the head) and he was already on a yellow from 8th minute. So the ref favored them for sending him off just 4 minutes till full-time.

Not to mention the most blatant non-penalty in the 1st leg for Bayern where the ball isn't even close to Carvajal's hands.

Their penalty in the 2nd leg (1st goal) on Robben was super-soft as well, way softer than what happened last night.

All in all if those incidents hadn't happened due to the help of the ref, Bayern had no business in going to the extra time and concede another 3, 2 of which were offside.
 

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For me the soft penalty is not a scandal, eventually it is that in the other box it would not have been allowed as we saw in the first leg.
In the end it was a bitter ending to a wonderful night. I must say I am very disappointed in Ronaldo, great player but very little man with no fair play.
I was among those who tributed him a standing ovation last week,but seeing him always diving and trying to cheat the referee to get a penalty in the last half hour was shameful and taints his stature as one of the greatest of this sport. Messi does not behave that way, nor did Van Basten or Del Piero or Zidane.
 

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Sorry, but I cannot comprehend people wanting referees to make different decisions based on a game's narrative.
That's right. People actually want a blatant penalty to be chalked off simply because they hate Madrid. It's just pathetic.

If they want to see real examples of bad refereeing they can check out the catastrophe of Chelsea vs Barca in 2009, or when Van Persie was sent off against Barca. Or when Inter went down to 10 men against Barca for no reason other than Busquet's play acting. Many more examples can be given. Remember this was a celebrated team that is considered the greatest of ALL time.

Other examples of bad decisions can be given for any other team as well like Juve (who should have had Barzagli sent off just in the last round vs Spurs for his assault on Son) and also Bayern obviously who had countless big decisions in their favour.
 

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Getting refeere'd late @ Bernabeu is quite common, i still have not been able to digest what happend to us last year. Maybe is was a penalty, i don't think so and i highly doubt it would have been given to Juve at that stage of the game, too me it looked like too much of a dive, oh well.
 

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First of all they say it was not. In Turin there was a much clearer penalty against Real not given and nobody said a word. If the same contact was in Real's box most people doubt that it would have been given. This after a match in which Juve got 6 yellow and 1 red and Real 2 yellows after 90 minutes of shameful diving by Cristiano that is a great player but not a great man, it is not the first time and will not be the last that he spend the game to try to get referee's decisions.
Having said that Buffon was clearly incensed and exceeded in his protests especially after the game but a good referee reads the game and the situation in that situation.

By the way I have not taken exception to the penalty in itself even though from several videos did not seem to be real nor I am too surprised that Real gets advantages in dubious situations, it always happens to stronger teams including Juve, but reading that was a stonewall penalty and other moronic things of that level are just ridiculous
I see you didn't read my post. Who said it was a stonewall penalty? Also, you and others may think it wasn't a penalty but some (like this referee: http://www.espn.com/soccer/uefa-cha...cant-blame-referee-oliver-for-madrid-meltdown) think it was. But I guess you and your so-called experts are absolute and all-knowing. Secondly, not sure why you would think that the match at Turin would have any bearing on Oliver's (or any other referee for that matter) performance/decision in Madrid. If there were mistakes/biases in the first leg, are referees supposed to grant freebies in the following match? You are being blindly biased and irrational.
 

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Everyone talks about the pen decision. But Benatia had a nasty challenge on Modric in the first half that was not penalized with a yellow.

Then he had 2-3 other tackles(one of them being a clear yellow), and was booked at the 4th one if I remember correctly. If the first tackle on Modric would've been a yellow(and it clearly was), he would've been off earlier than the penalty decision.

In regards to the penalty, Benatia had an awkward position and the RM player was going to score. He pushed him forward and then tried to kick the ball around the player. The kick was not a pen but the push obviously is. Most people reacted negatively because Juve played a great game and deserved to go to ET, but a foul is a foul, it doesn't depend on the minute it's done or the whole game context, otherwise you can't speak about refs consistency anymore.
 

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I see you didn't read my post. Who said it was a stonewall penalty? Also, you and others may think it wasn't a penalty but some (like this referee: http://www.espn.com/soccer/uefa-cha...cant-blame-referee-oliver-for-madrid-meltdown) think it was. But I guess you and your so-called experts are absolute and all-knowing. Secondly, not sure why you would think that the match at Turin would have any bearing on Oliver's (or any other referee for that matter) performance/decision in Madrid. If there were mistakes/biases in the first leg, are referees supposed to grant freebies in the following match? You are being blindly biased and irrational.

Maybe it is you the one who is not reading posts and behave like a know it all. First of all I was making reference to several posts in the thread that defined it as a stonewall penalty not to yours in particular. Secondly there are plenty of former referees including many Spanish ones that have said it was not a penalty and especially it was never a penalty to be given at 93rd deciding the tie.
Having said that I also said if you had bothered to read instead of entering your lecturing mode, that in my opinion it was a soft one but it was not a scandal to give it. The scandal is that the same penalty would not have been given in Real box and I do not need to go far in history to Mjatovic's offside goal or Chiellini red card after Ronaldo's simulation to support that, just one week ago in Turin a much clearer penalty on Cuadrado was not awarded. Just one week ago Dybala was jellow carded for simulation and then red carded after a foul that was right but involuntary, while yesterday Ronaldo has been allowed to dive looking for a penalty several times without a card and so on the list is endless.

The first leg match should not have had any bearing on yesterday's other than using the same meter for both teams and I never said otherwise, but given the precedents they should have sent a better referee with more personality aware of what is going on and that if you give a soft decisive penalty at the 94th minute of a tie you can expect some level of over the top emotional protest and if you are a man you defuse the situation you do not add insult to injury, besides if that was a penalty he should have red carded Benatia, but clearly it was a game to big for this moron.

I am not the one to cry over referees and referees with weak personality that are subject to the strongest club pressure is a fact of life, Juve has to regret several mistakes made in the first game despite playing a far better game that the score tells, but at the very least I would not expect to read that a clearly controversial decision was nothing.
 

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Opponents in the Bernabeu simply need to stop doing stuff in their own box that force the ref to make a decision. Sometimes it really is just better to gamble on bad finishing or a keeper save. Or just stand off the player instead of tackling him, maybe he'll hit you instead of the target.
 

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Feck Real. Now I don't know what will happen! we need some one from Bayern or Roma to win it.
What if Real vs Liverpool final? shit.
I get the preference for Roma, but why Bayern ahead of Real?
 

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Something is fishy with Refs and Madrid. I mean no matter what, the Ref always sides with Madrid or Barca
 

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Real is always in referees favour in UCL. Same story for Bayern-Real. Just remember last years semi final, it was scandalous.
The penalty given to Bayern or Vidal getting sent off a long time after he should have gone?

Just joking, it was just poor refereeing all round

Also, it's Uefalona who always gets favored.
 

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I want the champions to be in order:

1. Roma (who doesnt love an underdog tale)
2. Bayern
3. Real madrid, they should be least favorites but theyre third thanks to

184729. Liverpool
Option 4 should be open war occurs in Europe so the CL has to be cancelled. Preferable to pool winning it.
 

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Something is fishy with Refs and Madrid. I mean no matter what, the Ref always sides with Madrid or Barca
Yes, it happens year after year. And it is no coincidence.

The main reason is money. These referees are paid very well. If you are a referee, it is important to get into those games, it means a lot of money. And you know, those are not decided by computers, there are committees that decide which referees go where. So, any referee has to know who is in these committees, what kind of referring they expect, whom he has to please, etc. That's why you are not going to see any major blunders against Real any time soon.

They say that in football, there are situations that are 50/50. This means that out of 100 such situations, 50 go in favor of Real, and 50 go against Real's opponents. It's just math... probabilities. :wenger:
 

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I think Ramos was in the tunnel to talk to the guys before extra time maybe, I think maybe he was going to give them words of encouragement

That's the only reason I can think of that he was there and if he was going to do that it would have been a breach of the rules anyway
 

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Just a random question for United fans.

Which would you rather:
- United come 2nd and win the FA Cup but Liverpool win the Champions League.
Or
- United come 3rd and lose to Spurs in the FA Cup semi’s but Liverpool go out in the Champions League semi’s as well.
 

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Just a random question for United fans.

Which would you rather:
- United come 2nd and win the FA Cup but Liverpool win the Champions League
Or
- United come 3rd and lose to Spurs in the FA Cup semi’s but we go out in the Champions League semi’s as well.
Can I just understand what's the relation here ?
 

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Can I just understand what's the relation here ?
Just a random question to do with Liverpool winning the UCL or not. Most people seem to be going on about who they want to win, so don’t see how this is any less relevant.
 

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Just a random question to do with Liverpool winning the UCL or not. Most people seem to be going on about who they want to win, so don’t see how this is any less relevant.
Liverpool winning CL or not isn't something we can control. Us finishing 2nd and winning Fa Cup is.
 

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Liverpool winning CL or not isn't something we can control. Us finishing 2nd and winning Fa Cup is.
Of course but it’s more a question how much do you hate Liverpool. Like would you rather see us both do well or both do poor. Just a question, like if I was to pick it’d of course be the former as I don’t really have an issue with United particularly. Don’t get why it needs to be picked apart so much. You don’t have control over who wins it out of Roma, Real, Bayern or Liverpool but most people on here seem to be more than happy to say who they want to win or their preferences. Not sure how this is any different.
 

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Of course but it’s more a question how much do you hate Liverpool. Like would you rather see us both do well or both do poor. Just a question, like if I was to pick it’d of course be the former as I don’t really have an issue with United particularly. Don’t get why it needs to be picked apart so much. You don’t have control over who wins it out of Roma, Real, Bayern or Liverpool but most people on here seem to be more than happy to say who they want to win or their preferences. Not sure how this is any different.
We can get both, get 2nd, win the Fa Cup and see Liverpool getting out of CL. :D

If you're insisting then I'll care about what my team did more that's for sure.
 

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Just a random question for United fans.

Which would you rather:
- United come 2nd and win the FA Cup but Liverpool win the Champions League.
Or
- United come 3rd and lose to Spurs in the FA Cup semi’s but Liverpool go out in the Champions League semi’s as well.
I'll say it, I'd take option 2
 

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Just a random question for United fans.

Which would you rather:
- United come 2nd and win the FA Cup but Liverpool win the Champions League.
Or AND
- United come 3rd and lose to Spurs in the FA Cup semi’s but Liverpool go out in the Champions League semi’s as well.
There. Over and out!
 

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Just a random question for United fans.

Which would you rather:
- United come 2nd and win the FA Cup but Liverpool win the Champions League.
Or
- United come 3rd and lose to Spurs in the FA Cup semi’s but Liverpool go out in the Champions League semi’s as well.
1st option.
 

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Maybe it is you the one who is not reading posts and behave like a know it all. First of all I was making reference to several posts in the thread that defined it as a stonewall penalty not to yours in particular. Secondly there are plenty of former referees including many Spanish ones that have said it was not a penalty and especially it was never a penalty to be given at 93rd deciding the tie.
Having said that I also said if you had bothered to read instead of entering your lecturing mode, that in my opinion it was a soft one but it was not a scandal to give it. The scandal is that the same penalty would not have been given in Real box and I do not need to go far in history to Mjatovic's offside goal or Chiellini red card after Ronaldo's simulation to support that, just one week ago in Turin a much clearer penalty on Cuadrado was not awarded. Just one week ago Dybala was jellow carded for simulation and then red carded after a foul that was right but involuntary, while yesterday Ronaldo has been allowed to dive looking for a penalty several times without a card and so on the list is endless.

The first leg match should not have had any bearing on yesterday's other than using the same meter for both teams and I never said otherwise, but given the precedents they should have sent a better referee with more personality aware of what is going on and that if you give a soft decisive penalty at the 94th minute of a tie you can expect some level of over the top emotional protest and if you are a man you defuse the situation you do not add insult to injury, besides if that was a penalty he should have red carded Benatia, but clearly it was a game to big for this moron.

I am not the one to cry over referees and referees with weak personality that are subject to the strongest club pressure is a fact of life, Juve has to regret several mistakes made in the first game despite playing a far better game that the score tells, but at the very least I would not expect to read that a clearly controversial decision was nothing.
Firstly, if you are responding to several posts then you shouldn't have quoted me especially since I never said it was a stonewall. Don't know what you were thinking. Also, the fact that there are conflicting views on the incident supports my initial post that it could have gone either way. You keep saying that it shouldn't have been given at the 93rd minute but why does that matter? A penalty at the 1st or 50th minute is different from the one given in extra time? That's just wrong.
Secondly, calling my response lecturing mode and know it all makes your response petty and not worthwhile. If you wanna go down that route, spare everyone's time including mine. Thirdly, you can say all you want about there being a conspiracy about Real being favored. But of course, you have no way of proving it. It's just your opinion and perception without any facts. Sure, some decisions in Turin could have gone against Juve but that doesn't mean Oliver owes you any favors. And I stick with my initial statement that the first leg should have no bearing on the second. Finally, you say "they should have sent a better referee with more personality who is aware of what is going on." Who is the know it all and in lecturing mode again? Blindly biases and irrational as always.
 
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