LOLMijatovic goal was not offside based on 1998 football rules. Cuadrado did not get a straight red in 2017. The other scenes you showed include no clear referee error, too.
agree with you but easier said than done in those circumstances and after another frustrating game in Turin last week where all decisions went one wayThat was a soft pen to say the least. They never showed a replay from the opposite side of the pitch so we can somewhat tell how much of a push there was on Vazquez but afterwards 100% not penalty for me.
Deserved red for Buffon. I understand that this was sheer frustration, especially given the foul that led to the penalty but such behavior has never led to something positive. Buffon should have acted like a captain and maintained some composure. He might have saved the penalty but instead Juve would have played with 10 men for 30 minutes even if Ronaldo had missed...
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Ooooh! Now let me think!Who do you prefer if it's Madrid vs Liverpool final?
I don't like complaining too much about referee decisions and I would be fine with this incident being a penalty in most cases, but look at this context Juventus-Real history. All "50-50"-decisions happen to go in Real's way:
1998: Mijatovic decides the CL final half a meter offside.
2013: Straight red card to Chiellini in an important group stage game for nothing after Ronaldo fakes getting hit by an elbow.
2017: Straight red card to Cuadrado in the final for unclear reasons after Sergio Ramos throws himself to the ground.
2018: Cuadrado tripped by Carvajal in the box the last minutes of the first leg (0:34).
Yes, Juventus was penalized for the old sporting director Moggi's shameful and dodgy attempts to pick and put pressure on Serie A referees in 2006 and the club paid a heavy price for it. Inter fans are still bringing up one dodgy decision in 1998 (never linked to Calciopoli) as an example of Juventus "stealing Inter's trophy". I wonder what Barca's (just look at the first game vs Roma) and Real's CL advantages can be called in comparison.
Bayern never reached the semi finals last year.Real is always in referees favour in UCL. Same story for Bayern-Real. Just remember last years semi final, it was scandalous
That 98 final was obviously offside but some of these examples are really pathetic. Bringing an incident from the group stage of years ago, really? You think there aren't tens of similar incidents for and against every team that's played long enough in the CL?I don't like complaining too much about referee decisions and I would be fine with this incident being a penalty in most cases, but look at this context Juventus-Real history. All "50-50"-decisions happen to go in Real's way:
1998: Mijatovic decides the CL final half a meter offside.
2013: Straight red card to Chiellini in an important group stage game for nothing after Ronaldo fakes getting hit by an elbow.
2017: Straight red card to Cuadrado in the final for unclear reasons after Sergio Ramos throws himself to the ground.
2018: Cuadrado tripped by Carvajal in the box the last minutes of the first leg (0:34).
Yes, Juventus was penalized for the old sporting director Moggi's shameful and dodgy attempts to pick and put pressure on Serie A referees in 2006 and the club paid a heavy price for it. Inter fans are still bringing up one dodgy decision in 1998 (never linked to Calciopoli) as an example of Juventus "stealing Inter's trophy". I wonder what Barca's (just look at the first game vs Roma) and Real's CL advantages can be called in comparison.
How is not a Penalty?!?? Benatia pushes him clearly from behind, he pulls a kick on the sternum, even in the post-game he also admits that it is a penalty. I am not authorized to post image or video... but you can find them on the net, everything is very clear.The more I watch it the more I convince myself it wasn't a penalty. Not sure if I'm being influenced by the media which largely agrees it wasn't a pen. Tricky one.
Bayern's 2nd goal was offside (Muller passes the ball with his chest to Lewa who is in an offside position, and later results in an OG)Real is always in referees favour in UCL. Same story for Bayern-Real. Just remember last years semi final, it was scandalous.
That's right. People actually want a blatant penalty to be chalked off simply because they hate Madrid. It's just pathetic.Sorry, but I cannot comprehend people wanting referees to make different decisions based on a game's narrative.
They are used to it. CheryshevWas wondering what the hell he was doing there late on.
If no one told him,it's RM's fault. Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse.
I see you didn't read my post. Who said it was a stonewall penalty? Also, you and others may think it wasn't a penalty but some (like this referee: http://www.espn.com/soccer/uefa-cha...cant-blame-referee-oliver-for-madrid-meltdown) think it was. But I guess you and your so-called experts are absolute and all-knowing. Secondly, not sure why you would think that the match at Turin would have any bearing on Oliver's (or any other referee for that matter) performance/decision in Madrid. If there were mistakes/biases in the first leg, are referees supposed to grant freebies in the following match? You are being blindly biased and irrational.First of all they say it was not. In Turin there was a much clearer penalty against Real not given and nobody said a word. If the same contact was in Real's box most people doubt that it would have been given. This after a match in which Juve got 6 yellow and 1 red and Real 2 yellows after 90 minutes of shameful diving by Cristiano that is a great player but not a great man, it is not the first time and will not be the last that he spend the game to try to get referee's decisions.
Having said that Buffon was clearly incensed and exceeded in his protests especially after the game but a good referee reads the game and the situation in that situation.
By the way I have not taken exception to the penalty in itself even though from several videos did not seem to be real nor I am too surprised that Real gets advantages in dubious situations, it always happens to stronger teams including Juve, but reading that was a stonewall penalty and other moronic things of that level are just ridiculous
I see you didn't read my post. Who said it was a stonewall penalty? Also, you and others may think it wasn't a penalty but some (like this referee: http://www.espn.com/soccer/uefa-cha...cant-blame-referee-oliver-for-madrid-meltdown) think it was. But I guess you and your so-called experts are absolute and all-knowing. Secondly, not sure why you would think that the match at Turin would have any bearing on Oliver's (or any other referee for that matter) performance/decision in Madrid. If there were mistakes/biases in the first leg, are referees supposed to grant freebies in the following match? You are being blindly biased and irrational.
I get the preference for Roma, but why Bayern ahead of Real?Feck Real. Now I don't know what will happen! we need some one from Bayern or Roma to win it.
What if Real vs Liverpool final? shit.
The penalty given to Bayern or Vidal getting sent off a long time after he should have gone?Real is always in referees favour in UCL. Same story for Bayern-Real. Just remember last years semi final, it was scandalous.
Option 4 should be open war occurs in Europe so the CL has to be cancelled. Preferable to pool winning it.I want the champions to be in order:
1. Roma (who doesnt love an underdog tale)
2. Bayern
3. Real madrid, they should be least favorites but theyre third thanks to
184729. Liverpool
Yes, it happens year after year. And it is no coincidence.Something is fishy with Refs and Madrid. I mean no matter what, the Ref always sides with Madrid or Barca
Can I just understand what's the relation here ?Just a random question for United fans.
Which would you rather:
- United come 2nd and win the FA Cup but Liverpool win the Champions League
Or
- United come 3rd and lose to Spurs in the FA Cup semi’s but we go out in the Champions League semi’s as well.
I am still crying for the Nani red card.So much crying for a clear penalty
Even Benatia has said it's a penalty
Just a random question to do with Liverpool winning the UCL or not. Most people seem to be going on about who they want to win, so don’t see how this is any less relevant.Can I just understand what's the relation here ?
Liverpool winning CL or not isn't something we can control. Us finishing 2nd and winning Fa Cup is.Just a random question to do with Liverpool winning the UCL or not. Most people seem to be going on about who they want to win, so don’t see how this is any less relevant.
Of course but it’s more a question how much do you hate Liverpool. Like would you rather see us both do well or both do poor. Just a question, like if I was to pick it’d of course be the former as I don’t really have an issue with United particularly. Don’t get why it needs to be picked apart so much. You don’t have control over who wins it out of Roma, Real, Bayern or Liverpool but most people on here seem to be more than happy to say who they want to win or their preferences. Not sure how this is any different.Liverpool winning CL or not isn't something we can control. Us finishing 2nd and winning Fa Cup is.
We can get both, get 2nd, win the Fa Cup and see Liverpool getting out of CL.Of course but it’s more a question how much do you hate Liverpool. Like would you rather see us both do well or both do poor. Just a question, like if I was to pick it’d of course be the former as I don’t really have an issue with United particularly. Don’t get why it needs to be picked apart so much. You don’t have control over who wins it out of Roma, Real, Bayern or Liverpool but most people on here seem to be more than happy to say who they want to win or their preferences. Not sure how this is any different.
I'll say it, I'd take option 2Just a random question for United fans.
Which would you rather:
- United come 2nd and win the FA Cup but Liverpool win the Champions League.
Or
- United come 3rd and lose to Spurs in the FA Cup semi’s but Liverpool go out in the Champions League semi’s as well.
There. Over and out!Just a random question for United fans.
Which would you rather:
- United come 2nd and win the FA Cup but Liverpool win the Champions League.
OrAND
- United come 3rd and lose to Spurs in the FA Cup semi’s but Liverpool go out in the Champions League semi’s as well.
1st option.Just a random question for United fans.
Which would you rather:
- United come 2nd and win the FA Cup but Liverpool win the Champions League.
Or
- United come 3rd and lose to Spurs in the FA Cup semi’s but Liverpool go out in the Champions League semi’s as well.
Firstly, if you are responding to several posts then you shouldn't have quoted me especially since I never said it was a stonewall. Don't know what you were thinking. Also, the fact that there are conflicting views on the incident supports my initial post that it could have gone either way. You keep saying that it shouldn't have been given at the 93rd minute but why does that matter? A penalty at the 1st or 50th minute is different from the one given in extra time? That's just wrong.Maybe it is you the one who is not reading posts and behave like a know it all. First of all I was making reference to several posts in the thread that defined it as a stonewall penalty not to yours in particular. Secondly there are plenty of former referees including many Spanish ones that have said it was not a penalty and especially it was never a penalty to be given at 93rd deciding the tie.
Having said that I also said if you had bothered to read instead of entering your lecturing mode, that in my opinion it was a soft one but it was not a scandal to give it. The scandal is that the same penalty would not have been given in Real box and I do not need to go far in history to Mjatovic's offside goal or Chiellini red card after Ronaldo's simulation to support that, just one week ago in Turin a much clearer penalty on Cuadrado was not awarded. Just one week ago Dybala was jellow carded for simulation and then red carded after a foul that was right but involuntary, while yesterday Ronaldo has been allowed to dive looking for a penalty several times without a card and so on the list is endless.
The first leg match should not have had any bearing on yesterday's other than using the same meter for both teams and I never said otherwise, but given the precedents they should have sent a better referee with more personality aware of what is going on and that if you give a soft decisive penalty at the 94th minute of a tie you can expect some level of over the top emotional protest and if you are a man you defuse the situation you do not add insult to injury, besides if that was a penalty he should have red carded Benatia, but clearly it was a game to big for this moron.
I am not the one to cry over referees and referees with weak personality that are subject to the strongest club pressure is a fact of life, Juve has to regret several mistakes made in the first game despite playing a far better game that the score tells, but at the very least I would not expect to read that a clearly controversial decision was nothing.
the feck he didSo much crying for a clear penalty
Even Benatia has said it's a penalty