Well, Mourinho isn't giving Martial some playing time. I am not saying Martial deserves to start regularly as he is way to inconsistent, but bringing him on at '85 every game is hardly going to motivate him into signing a new contract, is it?
Now it seems like you are talking tosh. There are talks of us selling him because he is refusing to sign a new deal. You think if we agree to Fellaini's demands, it's because we can get a fee for him? It will be because Jose really wants him to stay. On the other hand we have Martial, who is not signing a contract because of some reasons which are speculated as him wanting more minutes, but to that effect the rumours are abound that he could be sold. You think the club will be willing to run his contract down and then offer him the world when they can do that now? If you genuinely believe that, maybe you need to come back to reality.
I just don't think this is true at all.
Why?
The cognitive dissonance in this post is so strong.
The reaction of those who trust in Mourinho, to a swap authorised by Mourinho, between two players he has spent at least two years working with closely and knows intimately as players and personalities?
Coman has been injured for a large part of the season, Martial isn't going to either of those clubs and Asensio has played about 500 minutes more in all competitions.
If you think he' going to get minutes in other top clubs it's not going to happen. Look at comparison
There would be mass approval.
I don't know. If they're haggling over wages/fees do we bench them until the club and player come to a financial agreement? If you mean a player who even refuses to sit down and discuss a new contract, that's a different issue, although I suppose in some cases the player might prefer to have such a discussion after the season is over.
I like Martial, but I wouldn't be against this, and I don't think too many fans would be either. Willian is brilliant, and we are desperate for someone to play RW. It would be a good piece of business for the team.
This is fecking hilarious. Minus of Bayern, I don't think he'd regularly start at any big club. This place is hilarious when sucking onto Martial.
Martial's main issue seems to be playing time (which, for me is a damn sight better issue for a player to have than wages as it shows money isn't their biggest motivation) - and he reportedly rejected the contract after he didn't get a single minute in a few games so getting a player to sign a new contract at the end of the season by not playing them seems a bit daft as all they have to do is wait a few weeks. It is different if it is at the beginning of the season like with De Gea.
Yeah Martial's case seems more similar to Pogba's in 2012. He wants to have a bigger role in the team, and seemingly (based on his performances) on his preferred left flank or as striker. Not playing him isn't going to have any impact on negotiations, if anything it's just going to push him further away.
Maybe I should have been more specific - by most top European clubs I meant the likes of Roma, Tottenham, Liverpool, Napoli, etc. I don't mean the elite of the elite. When I was referencing players leaving Mourinho teams and going on to do better I obviously meant players like Salah and De Bruyne (I didn't think that needs to be spelled out), who went to Fiorentina and Wolfsburg. So yeah, I'm not arguing Martial will be starting at Bayern or Real. Does that make more sense?
Deco (never world class),
Yeah I meant a player who refuses to sign, not a player who's agent is haggling over wages, like what happened with Rio a while back.
Ah gotcha. Yeah, I can see where you're coming from in that but benching Martial probably wouldn't induce him to sign like Damien said. If he's 100% set on leaving we'd probably exclude him but maybe the club still hopes to change his mind.
Never understand the underrating of Willian, I think he's a classy and consistent player. I honestly think he'd provide a lot of assists for Lukaku and has speed for on the counter.
15/16 was not about football imo. Not really sure why but they all seemed down that season. Do you think our players don’t get the freedom? They are given every chance to flourish and Rashford Lukaku lingard are having their best seasons.
Deco was world class under Mourinho at Porto. Easily
That’s a mental post, I can’t make head nor tale of the first paragraph. You do realise that Fellaini reportedly wants to stay but just wants a longer deal, whilst reportedly Martial doesn’t want to stay.
Yeah you just carry on ignoring the fact that Coentrao was Marcelo's backup, not his replacement. It just helps with your narrative that Jose is shite.
No Jose just inexplicably hated Martial as soon as he got here.
Yeah, carrying on spouting a point I never made. Never once said he is shite. He is a winner but not great at getting the best out of flair players. Unless you read that as shite, I guess you better change your argument.
Apologies, but you ignored my point earlier so I thought I'd bait you with with some exaggeration.
I don't think I agree with that. I really think that Mourinho has no problem with flair players or any players, in fact I think that we are wrong when we talk about Mourinho having a type, he has used way too many different players to put him in a box. I think that Mourinho's ideal is more team oriented, he is more about a general balance and more often than not flair players are the ones disturbing that balance.
I did address the point when I said that I stood corrected about Marcelo and Coentrao. I mentioned as much when I quoted KM's post who had mentioned that before you. It's just that I didn't deem it important to do the same for your post.
So many top teams and managers have employed multiple very attacking options in the attacking third and have been successful with it. Wonder why it's Jose who struggles with having that kind of balance in the team?
Sorry boss man.
The bolded is what I was meaning. And great point about Pogba.
Mourinho is one of these managers though, so in theory he isn't the problem. In practice our roster is not balanced we all know that, if you compare us to the best teams we lack two attacking players, a top central attacking midfielder and just someone that can effectively occupy the right wing, it's near impossible to be a top attacking team, with three very good attacking players including one CM.
I don't really know what Mourinho has in mind but I assume that he likes the goal threat provided by the attacking midfielder playing centrally, so I suppose that 4231 is his favorite system. And now that we have Sanchez there is no room for Martial, unless Martial develops into a completely different player which is a relatively rare thing.
Martial already has a vastly superior goals to minute record and he's 7 years younger than Willian. Doing a deal like that would be terrible for United, now and in the future.
Oh here we go with the goals to minute stat
