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Real Madrid can rest Ronaldo and Bale and still win with Isco, Asensio and Benzema. Their midfield and defence is so calm. Even when they are being bombarded they are calm. They are very clinical upfront and their midfield can control any game home and away. The first goal they scored in the classico was literally their first foray into the Barca half after 15 min of Barca dominance.
Liverpool have very little chance.
Liverpool have very little chance.
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He’ll definitely play.
He is Ronaldo he can play with one leg.
One thing is for certain, if Liverpool score, Real Madrid will never shit themselves in a final. They will continue like it’s any other game. Liverpool with Alexander-Arnold, Lovren and Robertson definitely will. Experience is everything in a final, Liverpool don’t have any. Klopp loses finals because he only has one gear, one plan, no technical savvy
First of all, you were talking about winning trophies. You simply can't do that. My point was that there are other things that can play a role in this such as bribing referees, and weird circumstances like calciopoli. For example, what about the world cup where Germany beat Hungary with Puskas? Who do you think had the better team?
Most Liverpool fans will tell you that AC Milan had a better team than Liverpool in the CL 2005 final for example. Do you think Liverpool or Milan had the better team?
Winning a title does not mean your team is overall better.
Your comment about the only GOATs shows your age. Have you even seen AC Milan play during that time? There are countless posters here trying to talk sense into you but you aren't listening. You sound like a young guy. Most of the people I've talked to that watched both Milan play during those times and Real Madrid agrees with me.
Real Madrid do not have as much GOATs playing in their team right now. GOATs back then who played for Milan was Maldini, Nesta, Kaka, Pirlo, Ronaldo, Inzaghi, Seedorf at least. These are absolute legends.
Even if Marcelo will be a GOAT (which is laughable) there is still only three for the most I can count on.
Why are you doing research online? That is hilarious. Go out and talk to Liverpool fans. Go on the road and talk to scousers. I'm willing to bet you will be amazed at what you hear.
Also please STOP saying Gerard. It is GERRARD. It's also debatable whether he was even their second best player. Liverpool has had a lot of amazing players throughout their history. Dalglish, Rush, Souness, Liddell, Hansen, Keegan, St. John, Hughes, Clemence.
I know so many scousers that talk about Souness being a better midfielder than Gerrard.
By the way, your comments would be biased because you are a Real Madrid fan. I'm not even an AC Milan fan. I don't want to waste too much time in arguing about this because it doesn't make sense as you're a Real Madrid fan defending your own team.
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The key strategy for Real Madrid is to play deep, man mark Firmino, play a lot of long balls to wide areas or especially to the striker occupying Lovren. They should target the areas between Lovren and Arnold. Their positional sense is woeful and they lose concentration easily.
Arnold's is vastly inexperienced and he had one of the worst performances against Roma I've seen from a RB. He is an average and over-rated player. Notice the games he stopped players like Sane, he was actually helped a lot by players like Salah on the right side and was forced to make it go out wide. Even he admitted so in an interview. If he plays he will be absolutely ripped to shreds. This is why you're seeing Klopp trying Clyne in recent games because he knows it would be very risky to do.
Lovren simply cannot deal with long balls and his anticipation to these balls is really poor. If Real Madrid leaves men behind after going up (if they do) in the wide areas it would be very hard for Salah and Mane and Liverpool struggles a lot when they come against teams like this.
I think Liverpool will start at a frantic pace, high tempo, with high pressing and very physical in the beginning. I think Real Madrid's experience will help here. I feel Zidane should play it slow and possession based and save their energy. Hopefully playing long balls and bypass their midfield press with Henderson and Milner is something Zidane is willing to try. The smartest thing then is to go gung-ho at 65-70 minutes and onward as they always collapse around this time even if Real Madrid is leading.
Also, their squad is bare. If they get any injuries again, their subs are utterly woeful (seriously, their backup striker is Ings and Solanke who are ultimate crap and they have no more central midfielders to play literally.) If they get an injury to any midfielder, they are absolutely fecked because they might have to change the entire formation to accommodate even more crap players like Moreno.
Real Madrid have so many options to win here, I can see a big margin, maybe 4-1 or 5-2 with 2 goals coming in the last 10 minutes but the key thing is to defend properly against them to prevent counter attacks and defending deep. If not it will be a 2-2 game or 3-2 or something like that. I really don't see Liverpool winning because of their inexperience (look at Arnold at Roma - WTF?), squad is ridiculously thin, Mane and Salah look tired, they are totally out of form, Salah hasn't scored in 3 games and is missing sitters, their defence is absolutely woeful - Lovren and Moreno makes at least 1 major mistake every single game, Buvac is missing and they haven't won a single game since.
I really don't get why so many people are saying Liverpool will win.
Arnold's is vastly inexperienced and he had one of the worst performances against Roma I've seen from a RB. He is an average and over-rated player. Notice the games he stopped players like Sane, he was actually helped a lot by players like Salah on the right side and was forced to make it go out wide. Even he admitted so in an interview. If he plays he will be absolutely ripped to shreds. This is why you're seeing Klopp trying Clyne in recent games because he knows it would be very risky to do.
Lovren simply cannot deal with long balls and his anticipation to these balls is really poor. If Real Madrid leaves men behind after going up (if they do) in the wide areas it would be very hard for Salah and Mane and Liverpool struggles a lot when they come against teams like this.
I think Liverpool will start at a frantic pace, high tempo, with high pressing and very physical in the beginning. I think Real Madrid's experience will help here. I feel Zidane should play it slow and possession based and save their energy. Hopefully playing long balls and bypass their midfield press with Henderson and Milner is something Zidane is willing to try. The smartest thing then is to go gung-ho at 65-70 minutes and onward as they always collapse around this time even if Real Madrid is leading.
Also, their squad is bare. If they get any injuries again, their subs are utterly woeful (seriously, their backup striker is Ings and Solanke who are ultimate crap and they have no more central midfielders to play literally.) If they get an injury to any midfielder, they are absolutely fecked because they might have to change the entire formation to accommodate even more crap players like Moreno.
Real Madrid have so many options to win here, I can see a big margin, maybe 4-1 or 5-2 with 2 goals coming in the last 10 minutes but the key thing is to defend properly against them to prevent counter attacks and defending deep. If not it will be a 2-2 game or 3-2 or something like that. I really don't see Liverpool winning because of their inexperience (look at Arnold at Roma - WTF?), squad is ridiculously thin, Mane and Salah look tired, they are totally out of form, Salah hasn't scored in 3 games and is missing sitters, their defence is absolutely woeful - Lovren and Moreno makes at least 1 major mistake every single game, Buvac is missing and they haven't won a single game since.
I really don't get why so many people are saying Liverpool will win.
That is the key point. Most teams panic when they come up against a Liverpool press. Real Madrid's defence and midfield are too experienced and technically gifted to panic. Bayern outplayed Real Madrid 2 games, but not once I saw Real Madrid players hurried.
On top of that they have the best finisher in the world in Ronaldo. For the next three weeks he is going to concentrate on one thing, what pose he is going to strike when he takes his shirt off after Marcelo wins Real the game.
Madrid have three more fixtures to play before the final whereas Liverpool only have one with a two-week break to the final thereafter. I think this point is something which will have a great bearing on the preparations for the final. Liverpool having such a lengthy gap before they play Madrid in such a huge game is far from ideal. Two full weeks of physical and mental preparations with nothing occupying your mindset other than the Champions League Final... that kind of obsessive behaviour will have a big impact on a group of players who are not accustomed to playing in and dealing with massive fixtures with so much at stake.
Madrid, old hands at this stage of the competition, have plenty to keep them occupied for the next three weeks and I suspect their run-in to Kiev will be a lot more relaxed and 'natural' to them. Anyone who has played any sort of sport at any sort of level will agree that a two-week run-in to a fixture/competition with nothing else to distract you is not a wholly ideal scenario, particularly if you're not used to dealing with those conditions. Liverpool tend to look ring-rusty after (international) breaks too so that's another issue Klopp will have to cope with, all without Buvac, too.
Madrid, old hands at this stage of the competition, have plenty to keep them occupied for the next three weeks and I suspect their run-in to Kiev will be a lot more relaxed and 'natural' to them. Anyone who has played any sort of sport at any sort of level will agree that a two-week run-in to a fixture/competition with nothing else to distract you is not a wholly ideal scenario, particularly if you're not used to dealing with those conditions. Liverpool tend to look ring-rusty after (international) breaks too so that's another issue Klopp will have to cope with, all without Buvac, too.
I can’t wait for Madrid to stuff them, they lose out on top 4 and we can relax and wait for the transfer window while they wait another 13 years for another sniff at it
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Who's more worried about Ronaldo's injury than Lukaku's?
If I had to choose one player to be fit for the final, I'll definitely pick RonaldoIn this particular game, if Klopp loses it will not be because of tactics. It will be because Madrid simply have a far better squad than Liverpool do.
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Yes but look at their away games to big teams this season. When the bum rush press with their 3 man midfield and ball into Salah doesn’t work, Klopp cant change it.
YesWho's more worried about Ronaldo's injury than Lukaku's?
Just imagine Liverpool doesn't win against Brighton and loses the final. Their season would be completely destroyed, in 2 weeks from "Klopp best coach" to "Klopp out!" - but unfortunately i don't think it will happen. But dreaming is allowed
United really fecked up on Friday night. Had we won and Brighton still needed points at Anfield to survive, it would be a far more nervy affair. As it stands, the Scousers will coast to a win by at least three goals. Hughton, if he has any professional integrity, should threaten any Brighton player with the sack should they not perform next weekend.Just imagine Liverpool doesn't win against Brighton and loses the final. Their season would be completely destroyed, in 2 weeks from "Klopp best coach" to "Klopp out!" - but unfortunately i don't think it will happen. But dreaming is allowed
I can't think of a team more perfectly set up for Liverpool to play than Real.As soon as Marcelo comes forward he leaves acres of space behind him, see the 1st Barca goal. No-one seems to cover for him. He's a joy to watch going forward but defensively very suspect. He was exploited down that side in 2ng leg v Juve, he was targetted in both legs v Bayern and again v Barca. I don't know why they don't have someone who covers him on his forays forward. He's such a threat going forward that you don't want to curb that, but some balance is needed. Liverpool don't exactly have a watertight defence themselves, so there should at least be goals in this game.
This will probably be the first final I'll watch where I'm 99% sure both teams will score
While there is some truth in what you say, I also think there is not any other team that has more elements to surpass Liverpool's pressing as Madrid does, especially in the left area with Marcelo, Ramos, Kroos and potentially Isco. People really have to watch the second half of CL final Juventus-Real Madrid. If Zidane's team manages to break that pressing, especially the first line with Kroos, Liverpool might be hugely exposed.
Of course Klopp is as aware of that as Zidane is of Salah's threat and Marcelo's obligation to be especially focused for this game.
Why do you think its bad if Madrid win 3 CLs in a row? You mean like it will undermine CL's prestige?
I dont see any point. What posters here want has no bearing with the results.
I will rather than a fit Lukaku in our own final that some match where we are not involved.Who's more worried about Ronaldo's injury than Lukaku's?
Regarding CL final, Madrid's midfield is quite better than Pool's and I expect them to dominate the ball. but that will play right into the hands of Pool who have been excellent in counter attacking all season.
Hopefully but the entire side looks cooked tbh
Never thought I'd see the day I was rooting for Madrid in a champions league final.
It's not Liverpool's pressing game I'd be worried about if I was Real, it's how open they are on Marcelo's side for counter attacks.The space he leaves behind is criminal at times. I don't think there's a better front 3 to utilise that than Liverpool's. I'd rather use recent games as a source of reference than last yrs cl tbh and the examples I give previously illustrate my concerns. You are right in that Liverpool have flaws, a lot and I made reference to those. Should be an open game, Real's defensive record isn't great even in la liga, but they score goals for fun. Liverpool likewise.I don't normally like Real tbh, but I certainly be cheering for them in this game
Nothing injury. Will be fit as a fiddle for the CL final.
Must admit I'm starting to feel a little bit flat about our chances now after the euphoria of getting to the final. 2 defeats in 5 days hasn't really helped, especially considering the performances were well below par. An emphatic win against Brighton on Sunday will probably help calm the nerves & give everyone a lift. Anything else though & the mood going into the final will be one of trepidation rather than buoyancy. Just hoping that Lallana might get a bit of game-time on Sunday. With him & AOC out through injury we've had very little creativity & drive coming from the midfield, & I'm fearful that Henderson, Milner, & Gini might be running on fumes at the moment. Maybe the decent break between the 2 matches might help, but we really need to get back a little bit of that momentum that got us to the final & the possibility of a top 4 finish.
GTFO with your logic. Feeling threatened or something
?So on recent form Real have KO'd PSG, Bayern Munich, Juventus, got a credible draw at the Nou Camp and Liverpool have failed to beat WBA, Stoke, lost to Chelsea, have been poor against the top 5 this season and made hard work of Roma after being 5-0 up and people are worried? I guess the only worry is that a miracle happens because Liverpool don't belong on the same field with Real Madrid.
This reads like you are trying to convince yourself.
I'm not sure how being experienced is related to dealing with high intensity. De Rossi is one of the most experiencd footballers in Europe and got legged all over the shop. Alternatively, KDB is the most in form/technical midfielder in Europe and couldn't get a touch at Anfield. City are the best possession side around yet were bullied. Madrid struggle with intensity and quick transitions - the fact that they've each played in 10 finals or whatever won't affect that.
If Liverpool can reach the intensity we did in the first legs vs Roma & City - then I expect Madrid to really struggle. From there, we will have chances to score, no doubt. If we can be clinical as we have in the last few rounds then we have every chance. Even if we replicate Bayern Munich's performance in the second leg then we will score 2/3 goals minimum.
We have our own weaknesses, of course. The side tires and once the energy goes then we invite pressure which we really struggle to handle. But we have it within us to absolute strangle and suffocate teams in a 30-40 minute blitz, as we saw against Man City and Roma.
KDB couldn't get a touch at Anfield? City had 66% possession and IIRC he had the most touches on the pitch.
Having watched them throughout the season, I see nothing in this Madrid side which makes me think we can't beat them. Going back to 05 vs Milan, my feeling (and general consensus) was that it been a great journey but the final would be a step too far for a side with the likes of Dudek, Traore, Smicer, Baros etc. And it showed in that first half where they absolutely annihilated us. It's different this time - we are top scorers in Europe and well capable of scoring multiple goals vs anyone. That gives us more than a fighter's chance.
What Madrid do have is a culture of winning, and Ronaldo. We'll see how important that turns out to be.
What Madrid do have is a culture of winning, and Ronaldo. We'll see how important that turns out to be.
Didn't get a touch as in did absolutely feck all to influence the game.
Ramos, Bale, Nacho, Varane, Marcelo, Casemiro, Benzema, Carvajal and Isco can also win their 4th.Both Kroos and Modric can win their 4th CL. Ronaldo can win his 5th
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While that maybe correct, don't you think Roma's absolute fecked up tactic of playing a high line and allowing Salah so much space played a very huge part in you taking them apart, in 1st leg, and don't you think more seasoned team wouldn't go all gung-ho against your team.
just found it funny to want to ban people just because they wanted some results in a match where we were not even involved.GTFO with your logic. Feeling threatened or something
Like I was being 100% serious
What the hell are you talking about??! Of course winning important titles (in plural) makes a team better that the others, saying otherwise is ridiculous. You can be lucky in a game, like Liverpool vs Milan (where I obviously think Milan had much better team) but when you are 8 years in a row in the UCL semifinals at least and win it 3 (probably) 4 times in 5 years, its not luck. Its just amazes me how people want to demerit what this team has acomplished in all this years.
Yes, I saw that Milan side playing on that time, and I'm pretty sure I watched the much more than you, considering that most Liverpool fans only watch the teams from outside the PL when they play UCL/UEFA and thats it, almos never see their league games consistently.
Marcelo will be one of the GOATS in his position for sure when his career ends. Roberto Carlos (the GOAT for me in that position) has already said that Marcelo has already surpassed him. Let alone that Marcelo has already won more important tournaments than any Liverpool player in history, I think that tells much.
Saying that him becoming a GOAT is laughable only demonstrates you have no idea about football outside the PL, and that you don't see Madrid play outside Clasicos and UCL.
Also, you know that the term GOAT means the Gratest Of All Time right? Not one of the 20 best in that position, not even one of the 10 best, but THE best. So at least you have to be top 3 in history in that position to be in that kind of discussions, if not its ridiculous.
Having said that, do you really believe Kaka id one of the 3 best offensive mids in history? Or that Seedorf and Pirlo are 2 of the 3 best in their positions in history? If that is the case, again it will prove how much you know about the sport and its history.
Inzaghi? One lf the best strikers in history? Don't make me laugh, he spent half of his career being a super sub for his team!
Nesta? Of course he is an absolute legend, but he is not even on the top 3 CB in the history of his country. He is below Maldini, Cannavaro and Baresi.
And Ronaldo wasn't even a shadow of his former self when he was in Milan, it was the team where he played his worst football by far in Europe, he was old and fat and near his retire.
And then again, in that time their goats like Maldini and Cafu where 37 and 35 years old.
About Liverpool fans, I can't go out and ask them because I don't live in Liverpool, not even in England. But if all the prestigious sport sites make polls, and in almost all of them says GeRRard is 1st and Dalglish 2nd, thats the only valid reference I have, not your opinion or what you can say.
Still, I've already told you that I coudn't care less about who of them was better. Maybe you're right and Dalglish was better, I won't pretend to be an expert about Liverpool and their history as you do with Milan and Madrid. So if Dalglish was better, good for you mate, I still don't care.
As I said before, all of this was because a discussion where I said that 2005 Liverpool team was better thatn the current one. I didn't saw Dalglish play, but that 2 Liverpool teams I did, and for me, 2005 Liverpool was miles ahead.
For me the current one has amazing attack, and thats it. They are mediocre everywhere else on the pitch.
Still as you say, winning a trophy doesn't makes a team better, specially in a one game final, so whoeever wins the final, Madrid will still be the better team of both. If Liverpool then wins 3 in a row, then we can have a discussion of which team is better.
You think? I guess you didn't know then, that Phil Neal won 8 league titles and 4 european cups?
Of course, there's no comparison.Who's more worried about Ronaldo's injury than Lukaku's?
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