Sell him, get Bale. Or Griezmann
Bouhafsi: Martial wants to leave United
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Its amusing how deeply some of you have bought into the warrior mentality bollocks used by Jose to shit on players.
No great loss. Players come, players go. Some leave a lasting impression while here, some just flit in and out and don't come up to expectations - Martial is one of those. He's had plenty of opportunities to establish himself as a starter but has never done so.
Nothing against him, he may go elsewhere and set the world alight and I'll be perfectly at ease with that.
Nothing against him, he may go elsewhere and set the world alight and I'll be perfectly at ease with that.
Exactly.
Equally amusing how some can't see what's been obvious to others for some time now.
We need more players like Lukaku. I do not see that in Martial.
Sanchez, Rashford and Martial competing for the same position and all more comfortable on the left. However, good, there's just no room for 3 players for the same position. Sanchez a Mourinho purchase and Rashford a local lad from the academy. Martial was to be the player to suffer.
If we get a quality replacement for the right wing it would balance the side and Martial would be soon forgotten.
If we get a quality replacement for the right wing it would balance the side and Martial would be soon forgotten.
Here is Martials predicament.. you will leave, but the only way youre going unless Real, Barca, or Bayern sign you, is down. If youre happy to play and be the star of a small club, the good luck to you. Im sure youll have a solid enough career somewhere but you always be remembered as the guy that couldnt cut it at United.
Technical yes; not convinced about the mental aspect of his game.
He was our player of the month for 3 months at the start of the season and was dropped for no reason other than to squeeze in Alexis. Your last statement is an odd one, it makes me question why you would be at ease to let him go in the first place?
He needs to be able to play in attack and not spending his time covering for the LB . Same problem with Hazard when Mourinho was at Chelsea.
He would be better as an inside forward.
He would be better as an inside forward.
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Kind of inevitable, having appointed Mourinho.
One or two unhappy players understandable. But the current squad has majority bunch of unhappy players. A worrying sign. We will never win cups with this type of attitude. They appear in some matches and then disappear. Changing manager if this is a winning squad makes sense but clearly we have bunch of players with attitude issue.
I am not saying replace all but some bad apples need to go. Couple of new energetic players could bring back the attitude of whole squad.
I am not saying replace all but some bad apples need to go. Couple of new energetic players could bring back the attitude of whole squad.
While i don't expect us to get anywhere near the Dembele/Coutinho fee either, 60m for Martial is too low in this market. Lemar who is of the same age, plays the same position as Martial and also had 2 years left on his contract with Monaco has just gone to Atletico yesterday for 65 m (in euros that is). Martial is a much better player and has bigger potential than Lemar and we should get at least 100 m for a talent like him in this stupid market. We already paid nearly 60 m to get him ffs.
You are having a laugh if you think Martial is getting the special treatment and not Alexis
It doesn't mean anything when just 9 out of 45 games were full 90 minutes and 20 of them were also matches in which he played just 10-15-20 minutes. The rest were also games where he played 65-70 minutes. Not having the chance to start 3 or 4 consecutive games to get some consistency didn't help either. Nor did the fact that he was thrown under the bus by his manager straight after a defeat. That's just poor management however way you look at.
The amount of posters who have no problem with losing one of the best young talents in world football is just mind-boggling. Are you really happy/indifferent with that? I suppose these lot were saying the same thing when we lost Pogba. "No one is bigger that the club" etc. Look how that turned out. Is Pogba bigger than the club? Or are you the supporters of Pogba FC now? Martial is nailed on to be a world star. This will only come back to haunt us.
My favourite player at the club.. but if he doesn’t want to stay and fight for his place, I’ll drive him to the airport.
In that case, a buy-back clause is stupid, I agree.
But if it's only about gametime and he has nothing against our club, why not?
A loan deal will not help in his case as teams he could play for will prefer their own players and he will again be benched. A transfer will give the other team a few seasons to plan with him and if we don't want him back, he is their player
You mean players like Felliani, whose only attributes are physical, and to make a defense for Mourinho, add in mental attributes.
You cite the example of Lukaku, but anyone given the support of the manager and plays 51 games as the lone striker will score goals, despite stinking up the one third of the games with his technique.
Agree on Hazard. Jose was wrong. But Hazard was showing individual brilliance every now and then even when playing in wrong system.
I will give benefit of doubts to player if they show individual brilliance. Nothing stopping them even when system is wrong. Its not like attacker is asked to be CB. All players have right position but may be wrong system. If your position is right then you must show spark of individual brilliance to demand change in system. In case of Martial it is lacking... mostly due to attitude.
Highly talented player let down by attitude.
We will prrhaps get Bale on a King's ransom and huge salary. He will be injured half the time and then both him and Sanchez will decline at the same time with Mourinho somewhere else and we will be left ruing another massive rebuild with another manager 2-3 years down the line. I can really see this happening and most on here will then blame Mourinho for putting another albatros around our necks in the form of Bale and Sanchez while other teams are already building for the now and the future.
It's funny why people think United are the pinnacle now when we have been struggling and haven't won a major trophy or even competed for one realistically for at least 5 years. I don't count the EL as a major honor before some of you jump in.
Unless we suddenly become the best team in the PL and he is in a team which is struggling to get a CL spot, I don't see how he will rue anything.
No. We need players like Lukaku.
His mentality, his work rate, his determination, his hunger, his talent.
Players who have the manager's blessing to play every minute unless he is injured, even when they are in shite form. That's the kind of players we want.
For the length of time he's been here he should have nailed down a first team place but he never did.
Examples of players not making it at one club then leaving and blossoming elsewhere are legion. Martial could stay as long as he wanted here but hasn't shown what's needed. He may fit in better elsewhere.
He needed to be trusted like Lukaku.
Martial has been here long enough to establish himself as a starter but never did so. Blaming Mourinho is avoiding the truth.
Lukaku is a much better player than Martial. I am not taking this thread down that path though, I'm done.
Mentality, determination, hunger. Ok.
You think signing Sanchez could have something to do with it?
What rubbish is this? Martial was always a wonderboy. Did you forget his debut season?
Yup, this is mainly on Jose's inability to develop him. He might buy young defenders but he is unable to coach young wingers nowadays. Needs the likes of Perisic, Bale or Willian ready-made types.
Martial was scoring in consecutive games until he was shunted to the right for Sanchez and benched. Unnecessary really. The point is Jose was quick to drop him if he didn't perform well in even one game even if he was good for 3 prior games. That's not fair on him.
He's lazy, inflexible and a bit overrated for sure, but its' on the manager to develop him considering he's got talent.
Jose better do well this season to justify the decisions he is making. Begging Fellaini to stay while allowing Martial to leave doesn't reflect well on him. And hopefully Sanchez steps up this season or we will have a Chilean Rooney on high wages.
Whole thing about it is great to watch/read on so many levels, from so many angles
. If you stand on the side and observe, its actually fascinating to see all reactions. Cultists, FC Martial, those in between who will be quoted if there is any dust of negativity towards JM etc.In some parts the more you read, the less it has to do with Martial directly. A lot of nonsense flying around too, like telling him to feck off because he doesnt want to stay and fight to take over 1st XI spot, like he has any chance to do so vs Sanchez. People making stuff up left right center to back up their point too, regardless of side they are on.
So the fact we’ve just purchased a 19 year old and a 25 year old only means we’re building for now. Complete tosh post mate. You’ve not a single clue who United are going to sign! Stop getting mixed up with media stories and facts.
The majority of his signings have been under 26.
I believe Sanchez is already in decline it's more of hope that after Summer's rest he would suddenly transform into elite attacker some thought we were buying granted he is still good player who would contribute but not the Talisman many were expecting. Due to injury concerns we should not go for Bale unless we can get a loan deal with non obligatory option to buy Woodward needs to get creative if we are going for Bale.
But I have no concerns about the rebuild 2-3 years down the line get other areas of the team sorted during these years we are more than capable of splurging big on attackers if needed.
Oh boy I can't wait for Martial to tear it up in Italy or Germany while Mou's new golden boy Sanchez continues his steep Rooneyesque decline while still being played every week.. will be fun times
Didnt know game time is measured by amount of games you played.
Well under the last manager he looked like the best u21 player in the world (and was voted as such). Then a manager comes in who is notorious for failing to properly develop young players with some flair to their game, and then he suddenly stalls and "doesnt show what's needed". Salah and De Bruyne didnt show what was needed for Mourinho either. Grafters like Oscar did.
I've basically just learned to take Mourinho's methods with which players he prefers with a heavy pinch of salt. He has his preferences that have worked for him in the past, and I dont blame him with sticking with those. But let's not pretend like there arent very valid reasons to put the blame on the manager for so many of our attacking players flat out flopping.
Still think he'll stay and eventually sign a new contract.
Jose will be gone this time next year, and Martial's stock will be 100mill+ at whatever club he goes to.
Bit of a shit hand tbh. Well other than the Jose leaving part.
Bit of a shit hand tbh. Well other than the Jose leaving part.
I think he could be a good player to swap with someone better
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