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Bouhafsi: Martial wants to leave United
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Martial could play at his best in a formation like this:
Martial - Lukaku
Sanchez
Pogba - Matic - Fred
Back four with proper fullbacks
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Rashford can rotate with the forwards or even behind the striker. BTW, when Lingard was at his best, it was also playing centrally behind Lukaku.Sanchez
Pogba - Matic - Fred
Back four with proper fullbacks
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lots of revisionism in here
Martial was better than Sanchez for us last season
Sanchez is a player I admire but I think he's the most wasteful player I've seen in a United shirt in a long time
people used to get frustrated by Nani but it argue he used the ball better than Sanchez
now there are mitigating factors such as the fact Sanchez played in our poorest attacking side this year
all our best attacking was done in the early stages of the season when Martial and Rashford were rotating
one player has huge potential and one has a couple of years left at the top (assuming Sanchez improves)
it was clearly a mistake not to start Sanchez on the right in some of the games
Martial was better than Sanchez for us last season
Sanchez is a player I admire but I think he's the most wasteful player I've seen in a United shirt in a long time
people used to get frustrated by Nani but it argue he used the ball better than Sanchez
now there are mitigating factors such as the fact Sanchez played in our poorest attacking side this year
all our best attacking was done in the early stages of the season when Martial and Rashford were rotating
one player has huge potential and one has a couple of years left at the top (assuming Sanchez improves)
it was clearly a mistake not to start Sanchez on the right in some of the games
I am not anti Martial, I actually like him but we really have to get behind the players who want to play for Manchester United now. Even Martial's biggest fans can't deny he played a lot of bad games for United.
Understandable. he was playing really well, then we signed Sanchez and he was dropped or moved around in positions he wasn't comfortable with. I suppose he's gonna be Mourinho's Lukaku/De Bruyne here.
I am not a fan of Jose and want him sacked but frankly it's a bit surprising that not many people are criticising the conduct of Martial and his agent here. I can understand his reasons for leaving but going public about it through his agent is actually bullshit.
the most frustrating thing was/is Martial had a bad game or two and he was out in the cold with some choice remarks from Jose
Sanchez seemed to avoid any of that and was rarely left out in spite of his performance levels
frustrating as Martial could tear it up in a better attacking side
Sanchez seemed to avoid any of that and was rarely left out in spite of his performance levels
frustrating as Martial could tear it up in a better attacking side
He was also on the opposite scale to Martial. ie Martial adored despite his performance level being sketchy whilst Nani got hammered for similar.
Everyone loves going extremes. Jose fans saying how Martial hasn't proved anything in 3 years when he was our top scorer in his first season and this season when his goals and assists rate so good before Sanchez was signed and then Martial fans who can't see anything wrong with the player or his agent, coming up with conspiracy theories
In this case I blame Jose more than Martial, he was having good season and won his place as LW, and after scoring 3 in 3 he was moved to RW position and then was dropped. Still shouldn't have gone public with rejecting contract and all.
In this case I blame Jose more than Martial, he was having good season and won his place as LW, and after scoring 3 in 3 he was moved to RW position and then was dropped. Still shouldn't have gone public with rejecting contract and all.
Wait, so you’re saying special treatment is to player X who’s proven himself as a WC player, joined a new club, getting adjusted just 2 months or so in with a bit of growing pains and doesn’t deserve time/benefit of the doubt vs. player Y who’s young and proven himself as inconsistent, been with the club for 3 years, hasn’t grown in that span and does deserve time/benefit of the doubt?You are having a laugh if you think Martial is getting the special treatment and not Alexis
If so, idk what to say
I hope he stays.
That's all I'm going to say - limited play time most likely impacted his standing in the French national team and if I were in his shoes, I would be feeling some type of way towards Mourinho for favouring an inferior ageing player.
That's all I'm going to say - limited play time most likely impacted his standing in the French national team and if I were in his shoes, I would be feeling some type of way towards Mourinho for favouring an inferior ageing player.
United isn't even a top tier club anymore, commercially and popularity wise, yes, sporting wise though? no.United is not the be all end all in football. The notion that a player that chooses to leave United will always be remembered as the guy that couldn't cut it here is ridiculous and insufferable. Should be worried about trying to put a team together that plays decent football, and can challenge for a title and not be an embarrassment in Europe instead of acting like we are still in our glory years.
There are plenty clubs of similar stature around, and chances are he wouldn't be so adamant in leaving if he didn't think he'll be better off somewhere else, the last guy that i remember doing that, we ended up breaking the world transfer record to bring them back, the kid is young and could easily rediscover his form with regular football, but no, he's supposed to be content with being at United despite the fact that when he's in decent form, one misstep and he's out of the team for extended periods, but the same doesn't apply to multiple other players in the squad...
i wish him well, and hope he becomes a world beater
It was Fergie who went out in public and told he wanted to leave - he sort of hung him out to dry at that press conference which put a lot of pressure on Rooneys integrity/brand and eventually made him renew.
Maybe the Rooney to City part even was part of how Rooney tried to get a bigger contract and have United sign better players.
Martial's situation is not the same. His agent has left little road behind them to come back to.
Inconsistent player who was leading goal scorer in his first season and was probably only behind Lukaku in goals and assists this season (at least till Jan before he was dropped).Wait, so you’re saying special treatment is to player X who’s proven himself as a WC player, joined a new club, getting adjusted just 2 months or so in with a bit of growing pains and doesn’t deserve time/benefit of the doubt vs. player Y who’s young and proven himself as inconsistent, been with the club for 3 years, hasn’t grown in that span and does deserve time/benefit of the doubt?
If so, idk what to say
Don't have problem with Sanchez getting special treatment as he was signed mid season so needs time to adapt but this shitting on Martial and making up things is just ridiculous.
Was going to post similar. amazing the lack of criticism coming his way for this.
Martial would struggle to find to clubs. He ended up moving to 2nd tier teams like arsenal and fade of ala balotelli.
He thinks he's the dog's bollock too soon.
He thinks he's the dog's bollock too soon.
Wish him all the best. Seems like a good lad and a hell of a potential. Football is all about entertainment and I love watching Utd more when Tony is starting
I have.
Look I love Martial and hoped he would work out at United but it hasn’t been the case. He’s flatlined, hasn’t had any pressure for his spot for the majority of 3 years here and the moment some competition was brought in to make-or-break his abilities / sink-or-swim time, he doesn’t even attempt to give it a shot and hands in his resignation papers. I’m shocked that people are backing the side of the player with that sort of mentality. Clearly he doesn’t have the internal drive to prove himself at a club like United and shied away instantly.
...again I’m not kidding anyone, I absolutely love the guy but this is the harsh reality of the situation. Martial wanted everything handed to him and didn’t want to work for it / that was evident when Alexis was bought in and his dip in form and self esteem. He just gave up which is sad because I expected him to fight this upcoming season to prove himself right. Guess not, and life goes on.
End of the day we’re going to be losing a squad player, exchange him for starter money, and buy a starter(s) with that money. Don’t see how anyone can look at that in any way other than a win.
Well, if there was any hope left of us getting a decent fee for Martial it's now officially gone. He really fecked the club with this. The lack of respect is amazing. People saying we'll get 70 million for him are deluded. And the cost of his replacement has just gone up too. How can people defend Martial after this?
Martial FC is strong with this one. Let's pretend St Anthony didn't let his agent make this public and has refused to sign a contract for months.
United is not the be all end all in football. The notion that a player that chooses to leave United will always be remembered as the guy that couldn't cut it here is ridiculous and insufferable. Should be worried about trying to put a team together that plays decent football, and can challenge for a title and not be an embarrassment in Europe instead of acting like we are still in our glory years.
There are plenty clubs of similar stature around, and chances are he wouldn't be so adamant in leaving if he didn't think he'll be better off somewhere else, the last guy that i remember doing that, we ended up breaking the world transfer record to bring them back, the kid is young and could easily rediscover his form with regular football, but no, he's supposed to be content with being at United despite the fact that when he's in decent form, one misstep and he's out of the team for extended periods, but the same doesn't apply to multiple other players in the squad...
i wish him well, and hope he becomes a world beater
A swap deal for Willian would be a straight sackable offence in my book
I disagree. This is where stats don’t tell the full story and can be cherry picked to favour one side. Martial leading scorer his first year here? Goes to show the lack of quality on United that year more so than anything.
I agree but more often than not, players with big potential get preferential treatment. Personally, I think if he's acting this way now, what's he going to be like if he does fulfil his potential and someone like Madrid come knocking? More tantrums? We're better off without him.
I've never known a player who's done so little demand so much. It's a reflection of how far we've fallen if not even world class players are complaining that they don't start for United and then have a tantrum if we sign players who have bigger reputations.
Oh yeah, so Martial was the leading scorer, shows how stats lie.
Now what, so Jose finished 2nd, shows how poor the league is?
Only deals with extremes.
man moved to United at 19 and became a regular under Louis fecking Van Gaal but redcafe body language experts are telling me his mindset, attitude and work ethic are poor
that has nothing to do with what i replied to? for all the mocking redcafe does of Rawk, the reading comprehension levels here are shocking. Not once did I say he's a saint or entered any exchange regarding his refusal to renew or about how this went public. Nevermind that him not wanting to renew his contract has now just become understandable because he wants to leave. are you drunk?
do you also go to hunger fundraisers and scream "what about homelessness?!" ?
that has nothing to do with what i replied to? for all the mocking redcafe does of Rawk, the reading comprehension levels here are shocking. Not once did I say he's a saint or entered any exchange regarding his refusal to renew or about how this went public. Nevermind that him not wanting to renew his contract has now just become understandable because he wants to leave. are you drunk?do you also go to hunger fundraisers and scream "what about homelessness?!" ?
Jesus Christ, Martial is put in the same bracket with Balotelli and Ravel Morrison attitude wise. I never knew we had a nutcase like that in our hands, this is something new.
You've just mirsculously spun an unindispuble point to suit your own agenda. If a 20 year old is the top scorer and an excellent peformer in a rubbish team, it also shows you that he did exceptionally well (unless you willfully choose to ignore).
No, but you've mentioned twice that you 'love the guy' so let's ignore that.
Don't get the Martial love.
For every Pismo there are 5 done Rooneys.
I will add " finding motivations", to "needing a rest" or " a full pre-season" to the long list of hopeful excuses for poor form.
Your ability to mock the club you pertain to support whilst sticking up for a player unwilling to show his commitment to the club says a lot.man moved to United at 19 and became a regular under Louis fecking Van Gaal but redcafe body language experts are telling me his mindset, attitude and work ethic are poor
do you also go to hunger fundraisers and scream "what about homelessness?!" ?
That is exactly my point Martial has not done enough to act the way he has acted he may be world class player in making but it's just potential trying to strong arm Club with this public posturing if that's the case is not acceptable for all his talents he can be easily replaced.
How can you seriously compare those three? Ronaldo was the best player in the PL by a mile when he left, and had just won the ballon d’or, and Beckham was arguably the best right winger in the world when he left.
Martial is nowhere near that level, and he may never be.
He’s got potential, but right now I would rather compare him to Anderson than to Beckham or Ronaldo.
Mourinho himself said that Martial needs to give more.
Question for you guys. If you as a fan had a choice which one you would get rid of Sanchez or Martial? For me it would be Sanchez every single day of the week
Shame, he's got the potential to be a great player. That said, I've never been a fan of his attitude and if I had to choose between the two, I'd rather keep Rashford.
This sums you up, go support Martial FC.
United is not the be all end all in football. The notion that a player that chooses to leave United will always be remembered as the guy that couldn't cut it here is ridiculous and insufferable. Should be worried about trying to put a team together that plays decent football, and can challenge for a title and not be an embarrassment in Europe instead of acting like we are still in our glory years.
There are plenty clubs of similar stature around, and chances are he wouldn't be so adamant in leaving if he didn't think he'll be better off somewhere else, the last guy that i remember doing that, we ended up breaking the world transfer record to bring them back, the kid is young and could easily rediscover his form with regular football, but no, he's supposed to be content with being at United despite the fact that when he's in decent form, one misstep and he's out of the team for extended periods, but the same doesn't apply to multiple other players in the squad...
i wish him well, and hope he becomes a world beater
If Martial cant be bothered to work even harder to overcome another hurdle that is supposedly declining Sachez, how would he be able to improve than he already is now? If he wants to be better and improve, let alone be best player at the club, he needs to work even harder and if he can overcome Sanchez, it might show that he will be a better player than Sanchez ever was or is.
11 goals enough to be the leading goal scorer at Manchester fecking United?
Great achievement...
I wanted him to make it here and I like the player, but I don't like the fact that the agent has come out and said this while he's still a United player. It makes me feel we are just better off selling him now and getting as much for him as possible.
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