Freak
Born a freak always a freak.
Sell him, get Bale. Or Griezmann
Exactly.Its amusing how deeply some of you have bought into the warrior mentality bollocks used by Jose to shit on players.
Equally amusing how some can't see what's been obvious to others for some time now.Its amusing how deeply some of you have bought into the warrior mentality bollocks used by Jose to shit on players.
We need more players like Lukaku. I do not see that in Martial.Its amusing how deeply some of you have bought into the warrior mentality bollocks used by Jose to shit on players.
Technical yes; not convinced about the mental aspect of his game.With his dribbling ability, composure and finishing I am convinced that he'll be a world class wide forward one day.
He has everything that you need on a tachnical level. None of our other young players have his ability.
He was our player of the month for 3 months at the start of the season and was dropped for no reason other than to squeeze in Alexis. Your last statement is an odd one, it makes me question why you would be at ease to let him go in the first place?No great loss. Players come, players go. Some leave a lasting impression while here, some just flit in and out and don't come up to expectations - Martial is one of those. He's had plenty of opportunities to establish himself as a starter but has never done so.
Nothing against him, he may go elsewhere and set the world alight and I'll be perfectly at ease with that.
While i don't expect us to get anywhere near the Dembele/Coutinho fee either, 60m for Martial is too low in this market. Lemar who is of the same age, plays the same position as Martial and also had 2 years left on his contract with Monaco has just gone to Atletico yesterday for 65 m (in euros that is). Martial is a much better player and has bigger potential than Lemar and we should get at least 100 m for a talent like him in this stupid market. We already paid nearly 60 m to get him ffs.When you insert a buy-back clause for a fixed price, the fee the buyer would pay will obviously not be as high as it would without one.
Willian is certainly no goal/assist machine, but he has the right tools to be a vital cog in a functioning Mourinho side. He offers good transition play on the counter-attack, his work-rate is great, decent on set-pieces.
I don’t expect us to get anywhere near the Dembele/Coutinho fee, as he isn’t a starter, has 2 years left on his contract and wants to leave the club. Our bargaining position isn’t that strong. We will get 60m at max imo.
You are having a laugh if you think Martial is getting the special treatment and not AlexisExactly.
The MartialFC supporters are ridiculously unrealistic. He’s remained at the same level for 3 years with 2 different club managers and been dropped internationally as well with another manager. Surely 3 managers who don’t fancy him can’t all be wrong can they?
Yea I don’t get the double standard...on one hand they’re saying give Martial more time even though he hasn’t proven anything in 3 years. And on the other, they’re saying Alexis doesn’t deserve time and is proven shit because he joined us half through the season after having played for only 3 or so months - not years.
Pretty sure I know which one is getting the special treatment and benefit of the doubt while the other isn’t. Hypocrisy if you ask me.
It doesn't mean anything when just 9 out of 45 games were full 90 minutes and 20 of them were also matches in which he played just 10-15-20 minutes. The rest were also games where he played 65-70 minutes. Not having the chance to start 3 or 4 consecutive games to get some consistency didn't help either. Nor did the fact that he was thrown under the bus by his manager straight after a defeat. That's just poor management however way you look at.Can someone clarify something for me, it seems he has played in about 45 games last season - why is there so much uproar (by his fans) and sulking (by him) re: game time?
In that case, a buy-back clause is stupid, I agree.Would he want to come back though? We could say we want him, pay the money, but at the end he has the final say
You mean players like Felliani, whose only attributes are physical, and to make a defense for Mourinho, add in mental attributes.We need more players like Lukaku.
Agree on Hazard. Jose was wrong. But Hazard was showing individual brilliance every now and then even when playing in wrong system.He needs to be able to play in attack and not spending covering for the LB . Same problem with Hazard when Mourinho was at Chelsea.
He would be better as an inside forward.
We will prrhaps get Bale on a King's ransom and huge salary. He will be injured half the time and then both him and Sanchez will decline at the same time with Mourinho somewhere else and we will be left ruing another massive rebuild with another manager 2-3 years down the line. I can really see this happening and most on here will then blame Mourinho for putting another albatros around our necks in the form of Bale and Sanchez while other teams are already building for the now and the future.Sanchez, Rashford and Martial competing for the same position and all more comfortable on the left. However, good, there's just no room for 3 players for the same position. Sanchez a Mourinho purchase and Rashford a local lad from the academy. Martial was to be the player to suffer.
If we get a quality replacement for the right wing it would balance the side and Martial would be soon forgotten.
Which is?Equally amusing how some can't see what's been obvious to others for some time now.
What do you mean by players like Lukaku?We need more players like Lukaku. I do not see that in Martial.
It's funny why people think United are the pinnacle now when we have been struggling and haven't won a major trophy or even competed for one realistically for at least 5 years. I don't count the EL as a major honor before some of you jump in.Here is Martials predicament.. you will leave, but the only way youre going unless Real, Barca, or Bayern sign you, is down. If youre happy to play and be the star of a small club, the good luck to you. Im sure youll have a solid enough career somewhere but you always be remembered as the guy that couldnt cut it at United.
No. We need players like Lukaku.You mean players like Felliani, whose only attributes are physical, and to make a defense for Mourinho, add in mental attributes.
You cite the example of Lukaku, but anyone given the support of the manager and plays 51 games as the lone striker will score goals, despite stinking up the one third of the games with his technique.
His mentality, his work rate, his determination, his hunger, his talent.Which is?
What do you mean by players like Lukaku?
Players who have the manager's blessing to play every minute unless he is injured, even when they are in shite form. That's the kind of players we want.Which is?
What do you mean by players like Lukaku?
For the length of time he's been here he should have nailed down a first team place but he never did.He was our player of the month for 3 months at the start of the season and was dropped for no reason other than to squeeze in Alexis. Your last statement is an odd one, it makes me question why you would be at ease to let him go in the first place?
No. We need players like Lukaku.
His mentality, his work rate, his determination, his hunger, his talent.
Martial has been here long enough to establish himself as a starter but never did so. Blaming Mourinho is avoiding the truth.Which is?
What do you mean by players like Lukaku?
Mentality, determination, hunger. Ok.No. We need players like Lukaku.
His mentality, his work rate, his determination, his hunger, his talent.
You think signing Sanchez could have something to do with it?Martial has been here long enough to establish himself as a starter but never did so. Blaming Mourinho is avoiding the truth.
What rubbish is this? Martial was always a wonderboy. Did you forget his debut season?You know what I mean...Martial isn’t the wonderboy that he was advertised to be. He’s no Mbappe or anything close to that.
Simply put, he had a free ride for the majority of 3 years. No competition and finally when someone was bought in to apply that pressure, he folded and dropped his head. That says it all for me really + combined with the board wanting to win they can’t keep babying and holding Martial’s hand forever; even better we’ll get a considerable fee from him and be able to use it for other starters.
It was sink or swim time for him and he didn’t even bother attempting to swim and rather just gave in his resignation papers. Don’t want that sort of player here. I love Martial and hoped it worked out but sometimes that doesn’t happen in sports and 2 sides have to move on. If he figures it out elsewhere, good on him as he wouldn’t have done it here otherwise he’d be an everyday starter now. If not, then it is what it is. Bitter-sweet situation for player and club here.
Yup, this is mainly on Jose's inability to develop him. He might buy young defenders but he is unable to coach young wingers nowadays. Needs the likes of Perisic, Bale or Willian ready-made types.Its amusing how deeply some of you have bought into the warrior mentality bollocks used by Jose to shit on players.
Whole thing about it is great to watch/read on so many levels, from so many angles . If you stand on the side and observe, its actually fascinating to see all reactions. Cultists, FC Martial, those in between who will be quoted if there is any dust of negativity towards JM etc.Its amusing how deeply some of you have bought into the warrior mentality bollocks used by Jose to shit on players.
So the fact we’ve just purchased a 19 year old and a 25 year old only means we’re building for now. Complete tosh post mate. You’ve not a single clue who United are going to sign! Stop getting mixed up with media stories and facts.We will prrhaps get Bale on a King's ransom and huge salary. He will be injured half the time and then both him and Sanchez will decline at the same time with Mourinho somewhere else and we will be left ruing another massive rebuild with another manager 2-3 years down the line. I can really see this happening and most on here will then blame Mourinho for putting another albatros around our necks in the form of Bale and Sanchez while other teams are already building for the now and the future.
I believe Sanchez is already in decline it's more of hope that after Summer's rest he would suddenly transform into elite attacker some thought we were buying granted he is still good player who would contribute but not the Talisman many were expecting. Due to injury concerns we should not go for Bale unless we can get a loan deal with non obligatory option to buy Woodward needs to get creative if we are going for Bale.We will prrhaps get Bale on a King's ransom and huge salary. He will be injured half the time and then both him and Sanchez will decline at the same time with Mourinho somewhere else and we will be left ruing another massive rebuild with another manager 2-3 years down the line. I can really see this happening and most on here will then blame Mourinho for putting another albatros around our necks in the form of Bale and Sanchez while other teams are already building for the now and the future.
Didnt know game time is measured by amount of games you played.Can someone clarify something for me, it seems he has played in about 45 games last season - why is there so much uproar (by his fans) and sulking (by him) re: game time?
Well under the last manager he looked like the best u21 player in the world (and was voted as such). Then a manager comes in who is notorious for failing to properly develop young players with some flair to their game, and then he suddenly stalls and "doesnt show what's needed". Salah and De Bruyne didnt show what was needed for Mourinho either. Grafters like Oscar did.For the length of time he's been here he should have nailed down a first team place but he never did.
Examples of players not making it at one club then leaving and blossoming elsewhere are legion. Martial could stay as long as he wanted here but hasn't shown what's needed. He may fit in better elsewhere.