Bouhafsi: Martial wants to leave United
- Thread starter Zoo
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
- Status
Are you serious? Of course he is. Check out his career. Every great player has suffered a dip in form.
After we signed Sanchez, they played together in the Tottenham game, we lost 2-0 and the whole team was shit. He was then dropped for the Huddersfield game and came back in for the Newcastle game which we lost 1-0. I'm not saying it's his fault but he offered absolutely nothing in those games and deserved to be dropped, along with some others. He never recovered from that.
It seems clear to me that Martial is a coaster, he lacks the fire to take him to the next level.
I'd prefer him to stay but won't lose any sleep if he goes.
I like him and have no real issues with his attitude although he did seem to off the boil after the last Euros.
From his POV, the situation with him, Rashford and Alexis probably seems untenable. When you add the rumours we're looking for a backup striker it seems worse for him.
Yes, he might turn out to be another that goes on to do extremely well after being let go by Mourinho. But as of now, he hasn't done a whole lot to make me think we should be striving to keep him.
Ultimately, if he doesn't want to be here then let him go.
From his POV, the situation with him, Rashford and Alexis probably seems untenable. When you add the rumours we're looking for a backup striker it seems worse for him.
Yes, he might turn out to be another that goes on to do extremely well after being let go by Mourinho. But as of now, he hasn't done a whole lot to make me think we should be striving to keep him.
Ultimately, if he doesn't want to be here then let him go.
Yeah? And how many of those we have in the squad? Easily replaced? Like we are doing it with Alexis?
Don't get me wrong, I agree no player should try to strong arm the club as you say, but we as a team footballing wise have been awful in identifying world class talent in the last couple of years. In Martial we have one and our manager hasn't handled him properly. If we had a plethora of other attackers like him, or genuine world class players playing in his position and displacing him because they are better, I would say feck Martial and he can go.
Instead we have Alexis who looks like a shadow of his former self, Rashford who is lesser talent/or just as inconsistent and a ST mainly, everything else is dross.
That he will be easily replaced, I doubt it.
He wouldn't be the first player to leave a top tier club for a 2nd tier club for game ttime and then later getting signed by a top tier club
That is what I am saying. We need to be able to retain the former not the latter. There again I guess its easier to convince a player when the alternative to our club is Sunderland or Everton rather then Real or Juve
No problem.
People talk of comparisons with De Bruyne and Salah but this is far worse.
Martial has actually done a lot for us unlike those two for Chelsea. He was our top scorer in his debut season. Second season was a mixed bag but which of our players are so incredibly consistent?
Mourinho's favourites can go several games playing like shit and keep their place, but young talents are dropped at the slightest poor performance.
People are now comparing him to Anelka! Anelka was never treated poorly by his club like Martial was.
It has been reiterated many times in this thread, but he was player of the month three times before Sanchez joined. I'll leave it at that.
Martial has actually done a lot for us unlike those two for Chelsea. He was our top scorer in his debut season. Second season was a mixed bag but which of our players are so incredibly consistent?
Mourinho's favourites can go several games playing like shit and keep their place, but young talents are dropped at the slightest poor performance.
People are now comparing him to Anelka! Anelka was never treated poorly by his club like Martial was.
It has been reiterated many times in this thread, but he was player of the month three times before Sanchez joined. I'll leave it at that.
Pardon me my friend. I meant Pirlo not Pismo. Autocorrect issues.
But seriously, we shouldn't be too quick to write off Sanchez. There are way too many examples that show that even the very best suffer dips in form. I watched him carefully since he came and I could see that his quality is still buried in there. If he gets the tactical demands of Jose right, key in better with his new team mates and cuts down drastically on losing the ball cheaply, he'll be abig asset in that team.
I'd keep both but get rid of mourinho tbh (for transparency purposes: i don't believe mourinho is the guy to take us forward)
I actually agree with the overall sentiment that Nani was under appreciated. I don't have the exactly timelines (would have to look it up) but for like 2 seasons Nani was a top 3 winger in the world. i hated when he got booed or when you heard groans when he tried things.
Essentially the Sanchez deal has cost:
Whatever we paid for Mkhitaryan (£37m?)
Losing our very best young prospect who completely outperformed sanchez in the half of the season he played scoring 11 times and assisting 10 prior to jan.
We are paying double the salary of BOTH mkhitaryan and martial to Sanchez.
We will not get what martial is worth as he will be putting in a transfer request.
We are left with a player who is 30 in December and has been utter crap since joining us.
Great bit of business that!
Whatever we paid for Mkhitaryan (£37m?)
Losing our very best young prospect who completely outperformed sanchez in the half of the season he played scoring 11 times and assisting 10 prior to jan.
We are paying double the salary of BOTH mkhitaryan and martial to Sanchez.
We will not get what martial is worth as he will be putting in a transfer request.
We are left with a player who is 30 in December and has been utter crap since joining us.
Great bit of business that!
Probably not, but some think it is Jose's fault altogether. He could have played every game and not got in due to the talent available.
Crikey!
26 pages in about 11 hours since this broke.
What will happen when Pogba announces he wants to leave later in the Summer?
26 pages in about 11 hours since this broke.
What will happen when Pogba announces he wants to leave later in the Summer?
This has ruined the world cup day for me.
But alas, life goes on.
But alas, life goes on.
You've warped these stats badly to suit your narrative. We had no strikers when we signed him, he had to play, we had no choice and 11 goals to be our top goalscorer is a disgrace for a team like United.
Please do tell how Martial has been the victim of abuse at the hand of Manchester United? Can't wait to hear how badly he's been treated.
People keep blaming Sanchez like it isn't Martial just completely giving up and not even trying to fight for his place.
His agent is a cnut too.
His agent is a cnut too.
I worded it badly. Martial might not have got in anyway, but it will be United's fault no matter what.
I don't care, in fact I don't even care if Martial leaves or stay but I do care about the bullshit that you and others are spouting. In the league, we won most of our games when he started.
Am so split on this one. On the one hand, he clearly has serious talent, both with the ball at his feet and is (was?) a pretty decent finisher.
On the other hand, I do wonder how much his love from us came down to very particular circumstances: plucked from relative obscurity, debut goal to sink the scouse, FA cup semi goal and then a definite silver lining to the LVG years. But did he really kick on that much? And can he do that here?
I think we all know (probably Jose included) that Martial would best in a 2 upfront, given license to roam about off of Lukaku. The one or two times we've done that he looked dangerous. BUT that's simply not the way Jose is going to play. Jose has also shown that if Lukaku is out, then it'll be Rashford or Sanchez up front alone - not Martial.
Given all that - what choice does Martial have? Personally I'd of wanted him to realise the situation and try to develop as a right sided attacker (never understood why that is so difficult for a player, especially on his stronger side). He's not going to be upfront for us, and he's not going to be first choice on the left because Sanchez AND Rashford are.
It's unfortunate and sad and blame Jose etc, but it's not going to work for him here, so why shouldn't he look elsewhere? And if he does it now, we should be able to get a pretty good fee.
Finally, to put it another way, why wouldn't we sacrifice our third choice left attacker to sort out our right side, where we have no one?
On the other hand, I do wonder how much his love from us came down to very particular circumstances: plucked from relative obscurity, debut goal to sink the scouse, FA cup semi goal and then a definite silver lining to the LVG years. But did he really kick on that much? And can he do that here?
I think we all know (probably Jose included) that Martial would best in a 2 upfront, given license to roam about off of Lukaku. The one or two times we've done that he looked dangerous. BUT that's simply not the way Jose is going to play. Jose has also shown that if Lukaku is out, then it'll be Rashford or Sanchez up front alone - not Martial.
Given all that - what choice does Martial have? Personally I'd of wanted him to realise the situation and try to develop as a right sided attacker (never understood why that is so difficult for a player, especially on his stronger side). He's not going to be upfront for us, and he's not going to be first choice on the left because Sanchez AND Rashford are.
It's unfortunate and sad and blame Jose etc, but it's not going to work for him here, so why shouldn't he look elsewhere? And if he does it now, we should be able to get a pretty good fee.
Finally, to put it another way, why wouldn't we sacrifice our third choice left attacker to sort out our right side, where we have no one?
I'm not blaming Sanchez. It was up to Tony to make the most of his chances and he didn't.
Blame the player also?
Yep, and it's not like his agent hasn't been feeding stories to the press of him leaving, or wanting to leave for the past two years. I like the lad, but his attitude is just atrocious.
How was that down to Martial? Was he the main contributor to our success before the signing of Sanchez? Nope, he wasn't. He doesn't do enough and I don't care if he goes or if he stays. You can call it bullshit all you want but he's had every opportunity to play first team football since Sanchez came in and he's been too busy sulking to see his opportunities.
I just don’t trust Mourinho at all on this one - I mean, he’s not got the best history with young flair players innit. And sure Martial has been inconsistent, but our attack on the whole has been poor this season and a lot of that will be down to coaching. He also has not been afforded the same level of support enjoyed by Lukaku and Sanchez; that is to e played through their bad form. Whether Martial played well or not he’s been inexplicably dropped or played on the RW.
While youngsters seem to be developing and showing significant improvements down the road at City, Rashford and Martial seem to have stagnated.
While youngsters seem to be developing and showing significant improvements down the road at City, Rashford and Martial seem to have stagnated.
It's comments like this that make me re-evaluate whether or not I need this forum in my life anymore.
This, the idea he's been treated badly is pathetic. He's had plenty of game time for a player of his age and form.
Some actually seem to be inferring we should be giving into his demands
We're man united, if a player can't handle competition this isn't the place for them.
Great, no more of him running towards the ball, receiving it and passing it where it came from because he's got two defenders on him now.
Wasn't Martial angling for a move last summer? That was before he had his "spot stolen" by Sanchez. He's wanted out for ages, feck him at this point, clearly thinks he can do better than us, so lets see what happens.
We already have his replacement in Alexis.
Now we can use Martial’s money on a RW or CM or wherever for an additional signing...if Martial stayed he’d be rotating with Alexis and occupying the same spot anyways.
He's not been very good and has looked like he's hated it here since summer 2016. Goodbye.
Aye, those academy players for City are hogging too many spaces in their starting 11 if anything.
I obviously meant the likes of Sterling and Sane. They may not be academy graduates but it doesn’t actually take away from my point.
Are we going to deny here that Jose has a preference to the more ‘experienced’ mould of player. Ready for the now, cos he’s supposed to be winning stuff now. Well he’s not won anything this year and he won’t win anything major the next.
So Jose slating him in the press, dropping him for Sanchez, moving his position to suit Sanchez and hardly giving him (or any forward) any focus on playing attacking football has nothing to do with it?
Think of it from Martials point. He has been in and out of the team, its clear Jose will play others ahead of him, he's lost his spot in the French team and we play dire attacking football that doesn't suit him.
Why is anyone surprised by this news? I'm surprised Rashford isn't kicking up a fuss, or Mata/Lukaku as we just do not focus on our attack. We have top tier players and talent in our attacking ranks and Burnley looked a bigger goal threat than us last year.
So in likelihood, Martial will leave and may well develop further and become a top player. We'll all regret it. Sanchez will be good for a season then decline. In a season or 2 most utd fans will be moaning that we let martial go and we'll be in the market for a top talent of a similar skillset to martial because we cant rely on sanchez anymore.. So predictable.
I do think that if Martial stays, he wont play much under jose and if our style of play continues then it'll be much the same as the season gone. Our style of play HAS to change, regardless of who plays in our attack
You said that we dropped points most of the games he started, that's wrong. He also didn't cause any issues.
I'd love him at Liverpool. Make it happen, Jurgen!
- Status