Whatever happened to Januzaj FC...remember him and all the furore when he left,whats up with some people,this club has no place for any players who are not prepared to put in the hard yards!
Bouhafsi: Martial wants to leave United
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Reading the quotes it's obvious his beef is with the January transfer window - Sanchez.
I hope he doesn't go - he will turn into a top player with someone - but he should be playing in week in week out, or his development will be shunted.
I hope he doesn't go - he will turn into a top player with someone - but he should be playing in week in week out, or his development will be shunted.
This.
If Sanchez' form doesn't pick up after the summer break it will not. Even so, we've signed Mkhitaryan Zlatan, Lukaku, Sanchez and Pogba on top of Rashford, Martial, Januzaj, Memphis, Mata etc and still we're struggling to build any sort of consistant and coherently working offense. I think it's fair to be critical of how the team and transfers have been managed so far.
It's not the only type of striker he can use, lets not add to the nonsense that is already in this thread. The reality is that, if you want to play with Martial upfront, you probably need to plan for it from day one and bring players that will fit in a more fluid and probably less disciplined front 6. And to Mourinho's credit we didn't and still don't have a team that can support effectively and consistently this type of set up, so he decided to use a more traditional and adaptable attack and midfield that includes a player like Lukaku, in many ways it's the same problem with France and Giroud.
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I always thought that Martial might go this summer (sadly, as he is one of my favourite players), but to me what's surprising is that those quotes from his agent sound like it is about the money offered to him in the new contract rather than about lack of playing time lately.
I mean that's pretty much standard agent speak for "we want more money."
That's not correct at all, the first game Martial was moved to the right for was Spurs away which we lost, he kept his place on the right in the starting XI for the next game away to Newcastle which we also lost. He sat out the FA Cup tie to Huddersfield and away to Seville (where he was by no means the only player to be rotated) but was back in the XI for Chelsea at home
Yes buying Sanchez effected him (as well as Pogba, Rashford and Lingard) but lets not make out he wasn't given a fair shot of staying in the side. The inability of any of those attacking players (not Pogba) to not highlight that the position on the RW is there's for the taking but not grasped it is on them
No its because Martial isn't a target man. Everytime Martial has played upfront for Jose which is what 5 games. He has scored in every game.
You're making some major assumptions there. If we do sign Bale, there's no guarantee he'll be an unqualified success, nor is there any guarantee that Sanchez will be any better than Martial on the left. He hasn't been close so far. So, we're still left hoping that things click up front rather than having any real reason to be sure.
I think Sanchez will be much better next season with a break and the full pre-season behind him.
Hope so anyway.
Hope so anyway.
That is what I read between the lines as well. Let's see
Not this at all.
Januzaj scored 5 goals for the Manchester United first team. The situation with Martial is not even remotely comparable. Januzaj had a couple of good games and because it was during a dreadful season that was a shock to the system for many, people got carried away because they needed some crumbs of comfort to hold on to.
Martial has already performed to a high standard and has been our top scorer. Januzaj didn't even get close to doing what Martial has done in our shirt.
The truth of the matter is that Mourinho and Martial are equally to blame. Mourinho because he's played his games with Martial i.e the mandatory LW substitution every game and rotation for two years. Martial because he could've really knuckled down and shown Mourinho why so many fans hold him in such high regard but instead he's sulked, gone into his shell and has basically said feck you, I'll just go somewhere else.
Martial has not responded well to Mourinho at all, it's been obvious for over 18 months now and that's why he wants to leave.
He has had Lingard minutes and Lingard has been poor since February just like Martial only difference is Lingard has a better defensive understanding. Non of our attacking players except for Lukaku has looked good since Sanchez upset the balance.
Yes preferably he stays and can nail a first team spot but I really do not see it happening under Jose. I think it is best for both parties selling now as his value will be considerably less next summer when we trigger his one year extension. Maybe we win bugger all and Jose leaves, then he may be tempted to stay on with a new manager.
For the good of the club and our chances of winning major honours we need to keep our best players and he is certainly one of them.
Him losing his WC squad place is obviously a big reason he wants out for me, he will not want to miss Euros 2020.
“Better defensive understanding”
In other words his overall game was more beneficial to us than Martial’s.
Supremely talented player, who decides to be one dimensional. Never runs in behind, either with the ball or to receive it. Sulks rather than tracks back when a move breaks down.
While it is sad to see a skillful player leave, he makes us a man light, when defending, and slows us to a stop when attacking. Always cutting inside with no variety to his approach might cause some opponents problems, but can be easily nullified by better players or tactics.
He may have fared better with a decent left back who overlaps and crosses, but his inability to vary his approach has done nothing to strengthen his position here.
While it is sad to see a skillful player leave, he makes us a man light, when defending, and slows us to a stop when attacking. Always cutting inside with no variety to his approach might cause some opponents problems, but can be easily nullified by better players or tactics.
He may have fared better with a decent left back who overlaps and crosses, but his inability to vary his approach has done nothing to strengthen his position here.
Lool. He didn’t decide because of what he had.. that’s him he could have had Barcelona he would have looked to buy a target man.
Indeed, if Sanchez plays to his Arsenal level it'll be a case of Martial who
It's far too soon to right off Sanchez, his entire season was a write off last year due to transfer speculation
Beneficial to us in what? Not conceding goals? It wasn’t beneficial to us in an attacking sense no!
1000% this. Both hugely talented, but unfortunately you need the mentality as well as the talent.
Going to give my opinion on this here..
If I'm being brutally honest I don't think Martial will ever become a world class player. Nani is his ceiling and I have said that for around 6 months or so now. The way some of the fanboys defend him you would think he was Ronaldo, I have never seen anything like it. So if there is one positive about him wanting to leave, it's getting rid of those because they are the worst.
Now the negative of this news: I think this is part of a much bigger underlying issue in that alot of our players are currently unhappy at the club and that is a big concern for me. If young and not fully developed players are wanting to leave then I'm sure some of senior players must be feeling similar types of way.
So overall, I would say this: If it's just Martial being a pathetic baby (which let's be honest would hardly surprise you), then let him go. I don't think he would be that huge of a miss if we can get Sanchez back anywhere near the level he is capable of. Now on the other side, we must replace him if we do decide to sell. We are devoid of creativity as it is and simply cannot afford to sell him and not bring anyone else in, that would be suicide.
If I'm being brutally honest I don't think Martial will ever become a world class player. Nani is his ceiling and I have said that for around 6 months or so now. The way some of the fanboys defend him you would think he was Ronaldo, I have never seen anything like it. So if there is one positive about him wanting to leave, it's getting rid of those because they are the worst.
Now the negative of this news: I think this is part of a much bigger underlying issue in that alot of our players are currently unhappy at the club and that is a big concern for me. If young and not fully developed players are wanting to leave then I'm sure some of senior players must be feeling similar types of way.
So overall, I would say this: If it's just Martial being a pathetic baby (which let's be honest would hardly surprise you), then let him go. I don't think he would be that huge of a miss if we can get Sanchez back anywhere near the level he is capable of. Now on the other side, we must replace him if we do decide to sell. We are devoid of creativity as it is and simply cannot afford to sell him and not bring anyone else in, that would be suicide.
For me the specific mention of signing Sanchez in January points more to the lack of game time.
He ended up being an unused sub against Man City, Swansea and West Ham as well as playing just 10 minutes against Sevilla when we needed goals. Can see how it comes across as money in your quotes though. Also, from the other stuff that Bouhafsi has said in the past, contract negotiations halted in December then resumed in March so the 'it is because they do not really want to make him an important member of the team' bit might be referring to that as well though it is clutching at straws a bit.
it's frustrating that the Sanchez transfer completely derailed his really promising season. Obviously no player is bigger than the club, but the circumstances are really frustrating, Sanchez's poor form to replace his very good performances leading to him wanting out. It's true though, there is no place for being moody and sulking in the club, top club will always have you fighting for your spot.
That's pretty much the conclusion I'm at for now. I've never seen a player like him in the way he plays and only looks interested once somebody gives him the ball to feet. No urgency at all to his play and too little movement off the ball.
It all boils down to his attitude for me. He seems to think what he's doing is so amazing that he needn't worry about running off the ball and creating openings for others with his movement.
The work ethic and attitude though are heavily comparable,we do not need that type of weak mentality!
Ok let me just say Lukaku, De Bruyne and Salah. Then I think you will understand how frustrated we are.
Go on crossy please make an educated reply to what I said step by step rather than being 'dramatic' or
Couldn't be more further from the truth - Januzaj was running on the good games he had for Moyes - did nothing for LVG & Mourinho & was rightfully sold; even though some people saw promise.
Martial has had good games before Jose mourinho when he was effectively our best player - and had good games directly under Jose's nose being arguably our 3rd best player if not 2nd on a consistent basis whilst having him adapt from being striker to left winger whilst getting replacements in that position every season.
Absolutely nothing in comparison to januzaj
Time to go then, get as much as possible for him (so avoid Juventus like the plague) and move on. Invest the money in a RW and balance the team out. I'd be happy with that, as long as get the right guy for the right flank. As it stands 99% of our play goes down the left and we wonder why teams find it easy to gang us out and snuff us out.
This is very true mate. Im not trying to hide - the people who see no future for martial here have been fed little spoons of negativity from Jose from the start- from changing his shirt number from striker to a winger. has had maybe one game as a striker in 2 seasons ( is that a coincidence? if you say it is or that winger is his best position - id say that is strong bias) , replaced by 2 strikers : ibrahimovic who was merely promised as a short term option to both Rashford and martial then low and behold - replaced by a younger target man ( same tactics? Bias if unable to see he has not changed tactics to accomadate the players at his disposal).
Then! Rashford & Martial compere for the same position - A fight he can win on the pitch but is put in direct competition against one of our own born and bred players- bit coincidental
Then! Martial starts overshadowing Rashford in the LW - Jose adds another LW ( who has the ability to play at RW) - doesn't play him on the right and puts him in to straight drop martial to the bench! Brings him back to the RW (instead of Sanchez ) and fails miserably; which is a surprise (not really).
So now Martial is put in at a game he cant win - ranking 3rd at ST, and 2nd/3rd at LW.
How can you possibly be so biased to think there is not been manipulaltion by our manager? Some people will gladly take the Jose biscuit - others are not so fooled by his sadistic game. That is why anyone who is against martial & his ability to be a good player for United (not world class) is a Jose fan boy and will fight any battle for him.
This has to be put in classic. What a rant.So assuming he goes now and that the stories about Jose not prioritising a LB at the moment this all points to a spectacular right sided attacker coming in doesn't it?
I can't see him using Sanchez on the right out of choice so who is it going to be?
I can't see him using Sanchez on the right out of choice so who is it going to be?
Just fact checking this, as I said earlier, Martial started 3 of our 4 league games after Sanchez joined. Two on the right, then he got injured. That's when he was "dropped".This is very true mate. Im not trying to hide - the people who see no future for martial here have been fed little spoons of negativity from Jose from the start- from changing his shirt number from striker to a winger. has had maybe one game as a striker in 2 seasons ( is that a coincidence? if you say it is or that winger is his best position - id say that is strong bias) , replaced by 2 strikers : ibrahimovic who was merely promised as a short term option to both Rashford and martial then low and behold - replaced by a younger target man ( same tactics? Bias if unable to see he has not changed tactics to accomadate the players at his disposal).
Then! Rashford & Martial compere for the same position - A fight he can win on the pitch but is put in direct competition against one of our own born and bred players
Then! Martial starts overshadowing Rashford in the LW - Jose adds another LW ( who has the ability to play at RW
So now Martial is put in at a game he cant win - ranking 3rd at ST, and 2nd/3rd at LW.
How can you possibly be so biased to think there is not been manipulaltion by our manager? Some people will gladly take the Jose biscuit - others are not so fooled by his sadistic game. That is why anyone who is against martial & his ability to be a good player for United (not world class) is a Jose fan boy and will fight any battle for him.
Sky sports have just said we've said we aren't interested in selling Martial this year
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I do think that if we do end up signing a wide player then it will be Bale. Still have big question marks on whether we will end up doing that though. Just seems the stars are aligning for that to be the case. Think De Gea thing could also sway it possibly.
We've said that a few times now. Also briefed the press that Martial will be a big part of our plans for next season.
I know everything currently points to the opposite, but I'm still sticking with my initial prediction that he's going nowhere. Although that might be more hope than gut feeling at this point.
If he's looking for assurances, we should give them him, he seems like he's one of those cliche 'confidence players'
If Mourinho had given him some man love he might want to stay, that's not a slight at Mourinho, different personalities react in different ways to each other, it's human nature.
I'm dreading if he does go, though. We need him and Rashford to kick on because there really isn't loads of attacking talent on the market currently, and my faith in Sanchez has largely diminished.
If he's looking for assurances, we should give them him, he seems like he's one of those cliche 'confidence players'
If Mourinho had given him some man love he might want to stay, that's not a slight at Mourinho, different personalities react in different ways to each other, it's human nature.
I'm dreading if he does go, though. We need him and Rashford to kick on because there really isn't loads of attacking talent on the market currently, and my faith in Sanchez has largely diminished.
When has he ever completely given up? He's a 22 year old flair player playing in a risk-averse side and he still posts some of the best numbers in the league relative to the little minutes he's been given. He's only played 90 minutes in consecutive league games once all season. A little continuity wouldn't go amiss.
Compare that to Lukaku, for example, who endured a barren run from October to mid-December (1 goal in 9 games). He played 90 minutes in every single one of those games, despite the performances being far from great and was still given full support of the manager during that time. Some of that might come down to style of play, which is fine, but it's disingenuous to claim it all boils down to his ability to 'fight'.
Lukaku was sold at his request because Mourinho kept buying old players like Eto'o to play in his position which restricted his game time.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/nov/29/jose-mourinho-romelu-lukaku-chelsea-evertonLukaku said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...u-Lukaku-tells-Chelsea-he-wants-to-leave.htmlLukaku said:
De Bruyne also pushed for a move because of a lack of game time. He agreed a deal to join Dortmund but Chelsea wouldn't allow it. They only agreed to sell him after he met with Mourinho and told him he didn't think he was getting a fair chance at being in the team.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/oct/20/kevin-de-bruyne-stubborn--world-beaterDe Bruyne said:
I can't find quotes from Salah speaking about why he left Chelsea but here's what Hazard thinks.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/id-quit-chelsea-mohamed-salahs-11573517Hazard said:
Player's want to play. Hazard's comments about Salah are reasonable and the other two situations are even more damming. Lukaku specifically cites the idea of older player being signed in his position as a reason why he wanted to leave while De Bruyne believes it was unfairness in team selection from Mourinho that caused his departure.
Now let's look at Martial. He started the season as a sub but there was no complaining about game time or sulking on the pitch, he waited for opportunities off the bench and grabbed them when they were offered. His strong cameos led to more starts and these strong performances led to him being a regular in our team ahead of Rashford. It's interesting that many of the people who like to pretend he has a bad attitude and 'no fight' completely ignore this period, perhaps because it makes their assessment of his character look ridiculous. Martial then establishes himself as our best attacker thanks to his excellent goal scoring and assist rate. For example in his last three starts prior to Sanchez joining he scored against Everton, scored and assisted against Stoke and scored again against Burnley. He was winning us games week after week and should have been considered one of most important players. What happens after we sign Sanchez? He is given two starts in a position where he has essentially no experience then only four other starts until the end of the season, that's 6 starts total in 21 games. This large drop in opportunities would have been considered harsh in any circumstances but when combined with his previously excellent form vs Sanchez's poor performances yet undroppable status it simply looks like ridiculous management, a blend of what both Lukaku and De Bruyne had previously complained about.
Your whining about players not being tough enough and needing to man up is inconsequential. Players need to be good at football, that is perform well when they take to the pitch. Martial has that done that plenty of times for us and will absolutely do it for his next club. Given his talent, age and track record I expect him to flourish in the coming years, I wish I could say the same about the team he is leaving.
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