Day 2: Portugal v Spain, Morocco v Iran and Egypt v Uruguay
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Put your life savings on either team it'll be the match of your life
Simple but not always true, If I want entertainment I go somewhere else, there is a difference between entertainment and quality.
But I am always against the popular opinion, don't take me seriously
What a softie.Didn't changed my opinion regarding the support of this team but now I am going to be a neutral, so no more support for Spain, let the best team win.
I will not support Spain, but if we lose I don't care, or do you honestly believe I will not be happy if we lose with 3 "frangos" from Patricio live to the entire planet?Then he can say on the post match "Levantar a cabeça"
I know what I am doing, but they can't turn me into a Spain supporter, they don't deserve that, they will naturally implode, because traitors, corrupts and bad people will always be punished.
First of all, a little reminder. This isn't the typical portuguese gutter style forum, so refrain from this type and "hahaha" style of posting.you are right, it's not funny, to be fair, it's really sad, really really sad.
It's not sad at all. It's life. It's something normal. Club over country always. Tbf i've always said this here but never actively rooted against Portugal. It's a first but won't be the last.
I will do that when some admin or mod tell me to do that. You can report the posts and they will handle it. Maybe your posts are more gutter style than mine.
And, yes, it's sad. I dont see or at least have never seen in other countries people talking about clubs when its all about the national team. And i can add that they are 23 and you want them to lose because of 4.
I will do so. I did it in the past, you might remember it
, and will do it again since i'm closely monitoring you. I'm not the person who got banned or has negative usernotes.No it isn't sad. You might not know it because you are relatively new to this board and only have 168 post but this forum has plenty of people with the same mentality, club over country. You just have to remember the Beckham episode where plenty of United fans turned their backs on the NT.
Even in Portugal, it's something completely normal. It evolves with era's. I've rooted for Portugal but now i don't feel like doing so. Until very recently where Benfica began to have more representation, i knew plenty of Benfica fans who actively rooted against Portugal because, first they dispised Ronaldo for showing them the finger at their stadium as an United player or simply because the majority of the NT was formed with players from Sporting or Sporting's academy.
It's something you have to deal with. Like i completely understand @Peyroteo or your position. Football aside, i was never much of a patriot. I worked and lived plenty of years abroad and am in the process of doing so again. I don't really care about the country or the nations concept.
You do realise the idea of the game is to put the ball in the back of the net. To go for 90 minutes without doing so is failing in the main objective of the game.
Both sides going 90 minutes without scoring means both teams failed.
So abandoning the Portuguese civil war let's get back to football shall we?
Uruguay, what do we make of them? Twice champions, three times semifinalists with some great players in Cavani, Godín and Suarez. Probably the best footballing country in world per capita. How far will they get this time? Some of their best performers are maybe getting a bit old but the team has bucketloads of experience and veteran coach who has seen it all.
Uruguay, what do we make of them? Twice champions, three times semifinalists with some great players in Cavani, Godín and Suarez. Probably the best footballing country in world per capita. How far will they get this time? Some of their best performers are maybe getting a bit old but the team has bucketloads of experience and veteran coach who has seen it all.
No. Football is a game with 11 players on each team, where the main objective is to score a goal, but far of defining the quality of the work done by the 22 players on the pitch by the amount of goals scored. There is much more than that.
They're a great team, Godin and Gimenez in defense and Cavani and Suarez in attack are brilliant and their midfield has improved with new guys coming in. Bentancur, Vecino, Arrascaeta, Torreira.. maybe not the most known names but they're more than good enough. They did pretty well in qualifying and they have experience.
I think they'll win the group without too much trouble and then I'm hoping we don't face them in the next round. They got unlucky to be paired with group B but they could easily surprise and make a run to the semifinals like in 2010. I think any of the favourites would hate to play against them.
They've got a very young midfield - Torreira, Maxi Gomez, Bentancur are all 21-22 years old and even Vecino is only 26, but no idea if they'll line up like that. Suarez might want to prove a point that he's still one of the best #9s in the world despite not being in the conversation much over the last two years or so.
I think they'll have another deep run to the semis actually.
Iceland??? Why not us, we are going to win it, you know. Right
@RoyH1 As a member of the Portuguese Civil War movement I have no problem discussing Uruguay, even if they are not part of this thread.
After Brazil for me they are the current second strongest team from CONMEBOL, unless Sampaoli has been doing something magic on the last 2/3 weeks with Argentina on the training sessions that I didn't see.
They have better midfielders and a better defensive line, also better keeper, the only thing they don't have is Messi.
For instance, if we qualify on second place and we meet them on the last 16, I have no problem on saying they would be favourites.
I have no problem discussing Uruguay, even if they are not part of this thread.After Brazil for me they are the current second strongest team from CONMEBOL, unless Sampaoli has been doing something magic on the last 2/3 weeks with Argentina on the training sessions that I didn't see.
They have better midfielders and a better defensive line, also better keeper, the only thing they don't have is Messi.
For instance, if we qualify on second place and we meet them on the last 16, I have no problem on saying they would be favourites.
Good point - that was a really shit 3-3 if you can have such a thing.
I suppose the concern is more a 0-0 tonight might be more about both teams being very risk averse, setting for a draw from the off rather than pushing to win for the game. It might be a different type of 0-0 than a Italy-Germany World Cup 2006 Semi-Final, which was on a knife edge until the final minutes of extra time.
I'll root for you if you eventually get Portugal as an opponent. Deal?
That’s just silly, it all depends on the context. Would you say Iceland drawing 0-0 with Argentina is failure for Iceland? I would rather a high class quality 1-0 game than an error strewn 5-5.
I understand why a lot of posters think this can be a very boring game. Creating some scenarios here I can predict they will have much more the ball than us, the only chance for Portugal to compete with them is to stay deep, but having some ability to press them on certain areas where in my opinion it will be much more important players like Bernardo Silva or Guedes to hit them on the break, where current Ronaldo is more suited to the last touch.
But if Spain plays at the same level they played at Madrid with Italy or friendlies vs Germany or Argentina, nobody is going to suffer by the lack of goals because they will simply score.
I simply can't just say Fernando Santos has to play against them like if he is going to face Hungary, because if he does that we will be murdered, we can't play with a high defensive line, our centerbacks are veterans, the only chance is to play compact.
Ok the neutrals don't like it, I am not a fan of that style, but you have to use a different type of strategy when you are facing the best of the best.
More worried with the plan vs Morocco or Iran than Spain, those are the 2 where we need to take points, Spain is just a bonus.
It's a fascinating game really, even moreso with Hierro coming in. Will Spain show the same vulnerability to the counter as they did in 2014? They're looking much more solid now off the ball. Normally they design the fixtures so that the two big boys face each other in a dead rubber at the end of the group, rather when it's up for grabs at the start. Can't wait.
My first reaction was this is good news, now that I stopped to think it will not make any sort of difference because almost all the training sessions were already done under Lopetegui, so they will be on AutoPilot mode, added with the fact the majority plays with Real Madrid or Barcelona.
Yeah. If they have problems tonight, I wouldn't be surprised if Hierro moves things around, but he's bound to replicate Lopetegui's model and team from the start.
I think I'm going to be dead by the end of this. Been up all night and am staying up for these three games. Hope they're worth it!
I only watched the Russia vs Saudis game during the night with ITV comments by Glenn Hoddle. I think I will watch a lot of games after during the nights, if not its crazy, tomorrow 4 games I will not stay the entire Saturday at home to watch football, sometimes I am oversaturated with so many football to watch.I think I'm going to be dead by the end of this. Been up all night and am staying up for these three games. Hope they're worth it!
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That's completely understandable. I don't know if I'll watch all 4 tomorrow myself with it being a saturday. At the minute, though, I really am gripped with the World Cup fever and, bar the Copa America, I've never really cared for the Euros or WC so it's just out of the blue and I'm taking advantage of it! The fact that it feels like I'm the only one on my street who's home watching the world cup on a friday at 1pm is also a bonus. It's absolutely silent here which I love.
I didn't catch the Russia game live - I watched the repeat on BBC at 00:30AM so, by the end of the day, I might be football'd out.
Major boost for Uruguay, can't see Egypt scoring if Salah doesn't play.
I thought Sobhi was a starter for them as well?
Lets not fool ourselves, with or without Salah Uruguay is highly favourite, of course surprises can happen, first match, Egypt returning to a WC and all that.
Be interesting to see how far varela has come.
Whoops. I just thought it was a general day 2 thread? Good points on Uruguay, but I do think if they met Portugal it would the very definition of a 50/50 match for me. I'd hate to be the poor ref on that one though@RoyH1 As a member of the Portuguese Civil War movement
After Brazil for me they are the current second strongest team from CONMEBOL, unless Sampaoli has been doing something magic on the last 2/3 weeks with Argentina on the training sessions that I didn't see.
They have better midfielders and a better defensive line, also better keeper, the only thing they don't have is Messi.
For instance, if we qualify on second place and we meet them on the last 16, I have no problem on saying they would be favourites.
Anyway on the other match, Salah not playing? It would definitely be a big surprise if Egypt get a result then. Dont' see them breaking down that defense anytime soon.
Who's this Giorgio de Arraguasdfsdjgsd fella?
Thought Salah would have played today. Cuper said it yesterday.
@TheReligion will be gutted. Salah is clearly more interested in next season with Liverpool than playing for his country at the World Cup.
No Salah, no party!
Starts today.
The racist cannibal is going to score, isn't he. I going with 3-0 Uruguay
Uruguay have a good bench
I just can't wait to see what sporting abomination Suarez will get upto this time. The diving, handballs off the line....biting your opponent...what he will next? He's also done some racial harassment outside of world cup but the extra excitement of a world cup seems to really get him going like a lump of ginger up the watusi!
I propose a Suarez Bingo card...
1 Theatrical dive in box
2 Waves imaginary card at referee
3 Shrugs shoulders and mouths "what....me?" at referee
4 Alternative camera view replay captures disciplinary infraction not seen by ref
5 Berates member of his own team until sees camera is on him then smiles
6 Crying
7 Sent off and is held back from attacking ref by teammates and portly member of backroom staff
8 Scores and lifts shirt to reveal Kenny Dalglish t-shirt underneath
9 Bites the goalpost in frustration and looses 2 front teeth, so makes a whistling sound for remainder of the match whenever he runs.
10 Grabs item from crowd and bites it's head / rips its wings off.
I propose a Suarez Bingo card...
1 Theatrical dive in box
2 Waves imaginary card at referee
3 Shrugs shoulders and mouths "what....me?" at referee
4 Alternative camera view replay captures disciplinary infraction not seen by ref
5 Berates member of his own team until sees camera is on him then smiles
6 Crying
7 Sent off and is held back from attacking ref by teammates and portly member of backroom staff
8 Scores and lifts shirt to reveal Kenny Dalglish t-shirt underneath
9 Bites the goalpost in frustration and looses 2 front teeth, so makes a whistling sound for remainder of the match whenever he runs.
10 Grabs item from crowd and bites it's head / rips its wings off.
You're probably the sort of person who believes the 2003 Champions League final was great.I can understand what you say but I belong to a small sect of fans who doesn't particularly feel excited with teams who the neutrals like to praise because they are very exciting to watch while in fact they are total crap and don't know what they are doing on the pitch, while teams who are regarded as boring actually can be teams who know how to adapt to their strengths or weaknesses.
But that is just me, I always like to be on the other side against the majority.
If Spain performs at the level they reached against Italy on the qualifiers or the friendlies they had vs Germany or Argentina we don't have a chance.