No and no
So was Suarez greater than Ronaldo and Messi because he lifted the average lot a lot at Liverpool more tab they did their NTs?
Well he could have done something. Did that player out there strike you as the greatest in footballing history?
He had 4 goals to Messi's 1. The latter is surrounded by Di Maria, Aguero, Dybala and others.
Ronaldo 4 Messi 1
I missed the game but them going out with Ronaldo having very little influence was entirely predictable, don't you think?
Certainly on paper they're not. They have significantly better players than Portugal. They simply underachieved as a team.
Did Messi earlier this afternoon? Both players are, contrary to popular belief, human. They have brilliant games and crap games like everybody else. The only difference is more often than not Ronaldo and Messi are brillaint.
Hmmm. Well if he leads his country to a WC then who knows how history will regard him. As for Messi, he was a truly magnificent player, I'd say top three in my lifetime. It's a shame we didn't see him play in a side without Xavi, Iniesta and co during his peak years (well, we did.... but I mean a club side).
Of course they did, just as they expect Messi to win every game on his own and if they fail they go from goat to donkey in a heartbeat.
He was brilliant vs Spain and rubbish since then. Also missed the penalty that would have put them in the easy half of the draw.
That's how he has been for the past few years. He's very productive at Madrid as they keep setting up chances for him. If he came back to United he'd have very very ordinary seasons now imo.
Seems appropriate in response to a thread which was created after a 3-3 group stage game declaring someone is the greatest player of all time.
Di Maria has been awful (one goal apart), Aguero started played 1.5 games or so, Dybala played 20 mins. The "others" he's surrounded by are the likes of Pavon, Enzo and Meza who seemed to be playing ALL the time.
Yes and yes. Argentina are a historically stronger side than Portugal. Even in the 90s, 00s and 10s they have had a better squad than Portugal. It was a massive achievement for Portugal to win the Euros. That is all they can hope for, and they've done it. That is their level.
Even so, I doubt you will find any sane individuals who suggest Portugal has better players than Argentina.
Does ridiculousness need to be met with ridiculousness?
Can't believe this nonsense is still getting spouted as if he doesn't play for Portugal. Do you watch Portugal play? Close to no service and he's anything but ordinary.
Having a great team involves more than having great individuals. As a united fan you should know this.
Argentina are a train reck of a team.
You've lowered the bar so low for what constitutes a brilliant player here, Spoons.
Absolutely. But his lack of quality and influence outside the box is precisely which he isn't the greatest for me. Not that I've ever thought of him as that. Actually I don't think of anyone as that give I haven't seen enough of the greats.
Team wise they play horribly together, but you'd be hard pressed finding anyone who thinks the likes of Aguero, Higuain, and Dybala are terrible players. CR7 has nowhere near that level of quality to work with.
If the 2006-07 Ronaldo is something we saw for a decade, I think he'd be above Messi.
Again, the likes of Aguero, Dybala and Higuain aren't even playing games all the time. It's the likes of Cabalero,Armaani, Mercardo, Fazio, Enzo, Pavon and Meza who were somehow regulars in this team. No point having big names if there's no system, no defense and a madman as manager.
I used to like that not robotic version of him.
That's an Argie coaching problem, nothing to do with Messi, CR7 or anyone else. The players are still there and have been contributing (such as Aguero today).
Portugal are better balanced. Argentina are top heavy but you can't even start a game with all these attackers. Look at the state of Argentina's defense and midfield. Otamendi and Rojo are nothing compared to old man Pepe and every great team needs a great goalkeeper. Argentina have none.
Yeah I watch Portugal play and that's what I said, this is how he plays and needs the supply to be top class like it is at Madrid. Also Portugal have a far superior keeper and defense to the clowns Argentina has. Argentina might have big names in attack but they don't even manage to start games. I'm a fan of Portugal and they're the current European Champions and I expected more from them than the performances they've put up. I know you try to make it sound like making it through the groups was historic but I'm disappointed by the performances.
But shouldn't that count against him in this thread? "Predictable lack of influence" from the greatest of all time, in a match where the opposition ceded the midfield.
It is a little laughable to mention Aguero as a contributor in this context given whose fantastic assist he converted.
Wonder who made that goal?
I see it the other way around. Portugal are literally all Ronaldo. If he is contained they are generally out of luck. The Argies can conversely pull a goal out of Aguero, Di Maria, Higuain and others. Banega has been very good this tournament and the defenders are fairly even.
Me.
But he was better than that for over a decade...
Overall, Ronaldo had the better tournament by some distance.Ronaldo played great today MOTM
