You feel they're increasingly accepting the reality and sense of a soft Brexit, but they still continue to spout nonsense that just isn't going to happen if we go by that route. Bizarre approach.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Yeah, except it's dangerously close to what we had before, costs an outrageous fortune to implement and buy out of and leaves us with no say or seat at the table.
The correct thing to do after the opinion poll would have been to go back to the slim majority of "people" who voted leave and ask them what exactly it is that they want out of this.
Silence
"it's time to rule out a 2nd referendum"
*4 people cheer.*
Biggest reaction was when someone asked if parliament should be called back in their Summer break.
Shocking.
*4 people cheer.*
Biggest reaction was when someone asked if parliament should be called back in their Summer break.
Shocking.
I honestly find the argument that "the people have made their decision" a little galling.
We have regular elections because people change their minds, we have appeals on court decisions because new facts come to light and we have a two house system to make sure idiotic decisions are challenged and debated.
We have regular elections because people change their minds, we have appeals on court decisions because new facts come to light and we have a two house system to make sure idiotic decisions are challenged and debated.
Could be wrong but my understanding this was always a starting point before ending up accepting a soft Brexit. The plan to accept a soft brexit may have lead to the resignations.
Mate, that paper is shit, there is nothing to accept or refuse.
'No, it's not free movement, we have a new system called uncontested roaming'
No custom union, no single market, no ECJ, no freedom of movement but free trade with the EU with the UK collecting tariffs for EU countries. It's a pipe dream there is now way that the EU will go for that.
Depends whether it's free. Do you think they will use the whip on this?
Weren't they going to call it "Mobility Framework"?
They won't need to, it's not good enough for Remainers
Ooh that's good
They need to go for something because if we stay within the pillars there will be nothing short of a revolution in this country however much people on here might think the Brexiters have changed their minds.
Ignore the people at your peril.
A well-connected source has just told me that it could be more serious than that.
They told me it is a concerted push to force the prime minister to drop her Chequers’ compromise.
They said: “If she doesn’t drop Chequers there will be another, then another, then another, then another”.
Mr Johnson took a while to make his mind up, arguably many months. It’s not the most dignified resignation perhaps, waiting for Mr Davis to take the lead and then pondering the pluses and minuses of a move now.
No. 10 had calculated that it could face these two resignations and might be able to survive them. But it can’t be sure. It can be reasonably sure now that an attempt on the PM’s leadership will be made. Forty-eight MPs need to send in letters demanding a vote of no confidence. That now looks very plausible.
No 10 says May will fight to keep her job if there's a no confidence vote
Downing Street has confirmed that Theresa May will seek to fight to keep her job if Tory MPs trigger a no confidence vote, my colleague Heather Stewart reports.
They told me it is a concerted push to force the prime minister to drop her Chequers’ compromise.
They said: “If she doesn’t drop Chequers there will be another, then another, then another, then another”.
Mr Johnson took a while to make his mind up, arguably many months. It’s not the most dignified resignation perhaps, waiting for Mr Davis to take the lead and then pondering the pluses and minuses of a move now.
No. 10 had calculated that it could face these two resignations and might be able to survive them. But it can’t be sure. It can be reasonably sure now that an attempt on the PM’s leadership will be made. Forty-eight MPs need to send in letters demanding a vote of no confidence. That now looks very plausible.
No 10 says May will fight to keep her job if there's a no confidence vote
Downing Street has confirmed that Theresa May will seek to fight to keep her job if Tory MPs trigger a no confidence vote, my colleague Heather Stewart reports.
After the snap election from Theresa May, she has another cunning plan.
'We need a new name for the single market'
'How about the Brexit Bazaar'
'Too Islamic. Have you forgotten who votes for us?'
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'How about the Brexit Bazaar'
'Too Islamic. Have you forgotten who votes for us?'
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I agree but she can't say the opposite even if she doesn't mean it.
What will they do?
I don't think the youth has much to fear from the Statin Brigade
Then you will simply leave without an FTA. If the UK are against everything that constitute an FTA then they shouldn't negotiate for one. And EU member have their own people to take care of, they don't really care about an outsider electorate.
But do you realized that there is a fair chance that your optimism is simply wishful thinking. She hasn't offered the beginning of something that would look like a genuine soft Brexit or even a deal.
Could work actuallyOk lets think through some scenarios..
Assuming there is a vote of confidence, what does May need to win? A simple majority?
If she gets that, does she still need parliament to force through any deal? Would she get enough votes?
Assuming there is a vote of confidence, what does May need to win? A simple majority?
If she gets that, does she still need parliament to force through any deal? Would she get enough votes?
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I'm loving it, give me mooooore chaos and madness, it's too stupid
Anyone seeing this BBC interview with Emily Thornberry?
The drawback to Maybot claiming everything is is whats best for Britain as a default answer is that her defending position changes every week.
At this point I doubt she remembers what her current proposal is
At this point I doubt she remembers what her current proposal is
Yes. What she's offering will never get us a deal with the EU and my previous post is wishful thinking. My point is even if she is fully prepared to concede on all of EU's demands (hypothetically), she can not say it until the threat of no deal is abundantly clear to her cabinet, parliament and the public. She'll be gone before she can blink. We have not reached that point.
Again, I admit that is wishful thinking and perhaps she has no desire to cede on those issues. But my wishful thinking isn't entirely based on thin air. The document they produced on Friday makes vague references that they are prepared to erode those red lines. I am not confident but I believe when push comes to shove, we will cave.
It would mean a GE and Labour would win a landslide purely out of protest. What Labour would do with that situation as regards Brexit I do not know
Also if a vote of no confidence is called I'm not convinced that it would even be in Labours best interest to help oust May.
She'd be a goner at some point anyway and her replacement is likely to be a hard brexiteer.
She'd be a goner at some point anyway and her replacement is likely to be a hard brexiteer.
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A mess.
Many people are affected and worried about their future.
But zero consequences for those who created the mess. Cameron and the "vote leave" politicians are doing fine.
Many people are affected and worried about their future.
But zero consequences for those who created the mess. Cameron and the "vote leave" politicians are doing fine.
Cant help but believe thats the deal they're selling to the British Public and the resignations and crying are about the concessions they're going to make from that position. Its a soft Brexit. She's probably already sold a deal to Merkel
Vote of no confidence incoming according to Keunssberg.
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No chance, people will put the tories back in charge and carry on moaning how shit they are, there is historic data that is not so old that proves this theory. Thats what has always got my goat up about people in this thread, they are happy to call brexiters idiots but think they are so smart voting for the very party that put the uk where it is. So for that reason alone there is part of me that wants tory voters to suffer badly with a hard brexit.
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I thought most of this forum didn't vote Tory?
Most if not all voted for a party with eurosceptic leaders but the tory voters can just suffer for my enjoyment