Antonio Valencia to be new club captain

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Does he even speak English yet?
Not according to a teammate of his, who told me he's still not able to speak English, but also was told not to translate for him on the pitch as he's aware it looks bad.

I don't know why people make such a big fuss over this. It's nothing more than a token gesture these days given to an experienced player.
A lot of people might suggest that a captain needs to be more than that if the team is to improve. Look at the line of captains we had with all the required qualities of leadership in Ferguson's era and before and tell me it's not being missed in the present.
 

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From Ronaldo's replacement to United captain.
I don't know what to say. Just imagine his motivational speech during half time break
 
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Valencia comes across as a Yes man.
He must just nod, as he can’t even say yes in English.

The only benefit of this is that is allows Pogba another year before taking over the captaincy, (right now he’s probably not ready) - and surely Valencia can’t stink the place out for another season after this one?! So new captain next year?
 

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Yes. Cant speak English, cant perform to the required standard. Perfect captain for Jose
I suspect he does speak some English in private (wasn't it LVG who said he had to have lessons as he said it was ridiculous for someone to have lived in this country for so many years and not learn the language?) but anyway, he certainly never gives interviews in English. Also, you rarely see him talking to the referee. I know that Rooney was a bit over the top with having a go at the ref but surely we need some sort of happy medium in terms of communications with the ref.

It must be particularly galling for Lukaku and Pogba (btw, both of whom speak at least 4 languages). We know from the WC that they are very capable of rallying their national teams but at United, they are always the first to be criticized if the team don't perform whilst Valencia, the captain, gets a free pass.
 

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I suspect he does speak some English in private (wasn't it LVG who said he had to have lessons as he said it was ridiculous for someone to have lived in this country for so many years and not learn the language?) but anyway, he certainly never gives interviews in English. Also, you rarely see him talking to the referee. I know that Rooney was a bit over the top with having a go at the ref but surely we need some sort of happy medium in terms of communications with the ref.

It must be particularly galling for Lukaku and Pogba (btw, both of whom speak at least 4 languages). We know from the WC that they are very capable of rallying their national teams but at United, they are always the first to be criticized if the team don't perform whilst Valencia, the captain, gets a free pass.
Actually, last year he was captain, he talked with the referee quite a lot. These two reddit posts are accurate I think:


 

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The people who say it doesn't matter probably don't remember captains like Keane, Gerrard, Viera and Ramos in the modern era (the time I started watching football) who inspire teammates around them. I like the professionalism Valencia has shown but he is in no way a captain. A real kick in the teeth for Lukaku and Pogba.
 

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TBF he was captain all last year when Carrick didn't play. Would be a bit weird for it to be taken off him.

Also for him not speaking the language, that doesn't seem to have been an issue last year? He is probably fine when communication with team mates? Even if he was fluent, he doesn't seem to be the type who would do press?
 

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Ridiculous decision. Non-English speaking Valencia who once handed the Number 7 jersey back after one season wearing it 'cause he couldn't handle the pressure.
Meanwhile video's are doing the rounds on social media of Pogba rallying the French dressing room to World Cup glory.

Classic 'My way or the high way' José - Trolling level: Grand Master.
Smart decision. One of the hardest working, most experienced and most regular players gets captaincy and other players get put in their place.

Pogba can still be a leader without being captain. He has to earn his place as captain and so far he has both not been around long enough and not done enough to earn it.

One day he'll be captain, but loyalty and commitment always comes first.
 

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The people who say it doesn't matter probably don't remember captains like Keane, Gerrard, Viera and Ramos in the modern era (the time I started watching football) who inspire teammates around them. I like the professionalism Valencia has shown but he is in no way a captain. A real kick in the teeth for Lukaku and Pogba.
Conformation bias. There are many examples otherwise. Hugo Lloris just captained France to the World Cup, whilst making a massive mistake in the final.
 

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cant get behind this at all.

10 years in england and he still cant give an interview, but he is going to captain Manchester United?

Also, didnt he dislike the pressure of a shirt number? Captian material?

(plus he should lose his spot in the team to a younger, better player - but I suppose that didnt stop Carrick either)
 

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Away from his terribly performance, Valencia looks to be by far the worst captain material in the team. Doesn't talk English well and hardly speaks with the refs or leads players on the pitch.

He will wear the armband but I think the likes of Matic, Pogba and Lukaku will be the real leaders on the pitch, if Pogba decides to step up.
 
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Smart decision. One of the hardest working, most experienced and most regular players gets captaincy and other players get put in their place.
Hasn’t worked hard on his crossing has he? He shouldn’t even be near the first team let alone captain.

Must say a lot about the rest of the squad if this guy is our captain. Lots have players have come in and been the captain to older, more experienced players.
 

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Exactly, Rom & Pogba are more suitable for captains in my opinion than Valencia. I lost count of the instances last season at OT when the younger players needed a captain and leader on the field and Valencia was just shying away from it all. Someone else hit the nail on the head inhere when they said he's probably just a yes man for José.
I feel like you missed my point entirely. Also, what is a captain if not an extension of the manager on the pitch?

But hey-ho, some people here will use any decision to further their own agenda against the manager or players they don't like. It's pure tribalism, and it's the f*cking worst.

Edit: Might I add, because it doesn't seem like anyone has actually done this:

Congratulations Tony. We're all behind you.
 

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A lot of people might suggest that a captain needs to be more than that if the team is to improve. Look at the line of captains we had with all the required qualities of leadership in Ferguson's era and before and tell me it's not being missed in the present.
And I will simply say to that, look at all the 'players' we had with leadership qualities in those teams. Also the common denominator there was clearly Ferguson. Bryan Robson was the captain when Atkinson was in charge and I don't remember us winning any league titles then either.

This team is lacking in leaders full stop.
 

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It's not good news is it? Valencia is on a slow decline and should have his game time lessened. Instead this would indicate to me that he will play all the games if fit and increase the likelihood of being ever present. Anyways congratulations to him I'm sure it's a very proud moment on a personal level and for the people back in Ecuador.
 

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It's not good news is it? Valencia is on a slow decline and should have his game time lessened. Instead this would indicate to me that he will play all the games if fit and increase the likelihood of being ever present. Anyways congratulations to him I'm sure it's a very proud moment on a personal level and for the people back in Ecuador.
Carrick was captain last year and made 5 appearances.
 

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Based on his previous selections as well, I feel that for Mourinho the armband doesn't mean much in terms of function and it's just something he gives to the longest serving player out of respect.

So I don't really see the fuss in this. It's not like he'll expect more from Valencia because of it.
 

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So is this a snub to Pogba? Or just Mourinho responding to a question and recalling those who have been captain before?
 

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Based on his previous selections as well, I feel that for Mourinho the armband doesn't mean much in terms of function and it's just something he gives to the longest serving player out of respect.

So I don't really see the fuss in this. It's not like he'll expect more from Valencia because of it.
Think that's true to be fair. At least since he's been at United it seems like that.
 

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Is he going to be our Ivanovic in Mourinho's third season? Can't for the life of me understand why we haven't signed at least another fullback yet, it doesn't have to be a 50 mil. player, there are many gems out there, scouts aint't doing their jobs right if they can't come up with someone. Without new fullbacks, the season is over before it even starts.
 

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Great, another season of watching an average full back smashing crosses in to defenders' thighs
 

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As with everything Mourinho is doing these days it’s all just a bit ‘meh’. Not an inspiring choice but ultimately shouldn’t matter too much. Hopefully Pogba can be the captain in all but name.
 

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For those moaning about this...

You have no clue about the internal dynamics of the squad.
You have no clue what duties Mourinho expects of his club captain.
Mourinho doesn’t subscribe to the idea that “the captain should always play”. Rooney was dropped for long periods as club captain and so was Carrick so this doesn’t mean that Valencia will play regardless of form.

It seems to be nothing more than a ceremonial role that is handed to a senior player who represents the values of the manager. Professional, hard working and loyal.
We know that we're pretty shite at the moment and look like we desperately need motivation and change.

If he was basically captain in all but name last season it certainly didn't do much for us.
If captain is just a ceremonial role, then maybe that should change. It looks like it needs to. Give it to someone who can lead the team and tell them to be extra vocal about it (Lukaku, Matic and Pogba (less so for me as things stand due to poor consistency in effort) I imagine could step up here).

Everything points to the dullest move with least change when it comes to Jose at the moment and I'm turning on him fast.
 
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Literally the biggest issue in our team , Fellaini isn't half the problem cause at least we have plenty of midfield option and he rarely starts anyway. But this guy...a mess
 

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Should be Smalling, always gives his all, CB no1 english speaker, vocal, not ideal but we don't have better, vicecaptain de Gea, Young
 

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People really have gone way overboard with their criticism of him the last year or so because he's not a Marcelo type attacking full back.
 

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We know that we're pretty shite at the moment and look like we desperately need motivation and change.

If he was basically captain in all but name last season it certainly didn't do much for us.
If captain is just a ceremonial role, then maybe that should change. It looks like it needs to. Give it to someone who can lead the team and tell them to be extra vocal about it (Lukaku, Matic and Pogba (less so for me as things stand due to poor consistency in effort) I imagine could step up here).
And why aren't people without armbands allowed to provide that? Does the armband give you some special power or something?
 

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And why aren't people without armbands allowed to provide that? Does the armband give you some special power or something?
Did Valencia provide it without the armband?
What's the point of someone being it who provides little motivation? Motivational qualities are visible when it's important.
Simply following orders while playing bang average football and having little motivational ability on the pitch sets a bad tone imo, although exactly what I've come to expect from something Jose chooses.
 

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Great, another season of watching an average full back smashing crosses in to defenders' thighs
What a stupid leap to make.
This is also a stupid leap.

Being a captain doesn't even mean he's gonna be on the pitch. This is Mourinho, not LVG. Carrick was the captain last season and he hardly played, effectively retiring from mid-season onwards. For Mourinho the captain's armband doesn't mean much
 
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Completely worthy club captain and a huge honour for him I’m sure. He has a great story of how he achieved what he has and is coming up on ten years of service to united during which he has run himself into the ground, played through injuries and has kept a very low profile while being a warrior at united. Like him or not, he’s the correct club captain to replace carrick and the type of player I want more of.

Some of you seem utterly determined to drag negativity into the new season. If he starts failing in his role, criticise. Until then, back the bloody player.
Oh god, what are we, Wigan?

Get Valencia out man, he should have been replaces 2 seasons ago. He is simply not good enough.
 

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What a stupid leap to make.
Not really. You literally say yourself "average full back smashing crosses in to defenders' thighs". He's a good full back, but because he's not a buccaneering attacking maestro people call him shite. It's very very easy to see all over this site, so "stupid leap" it ain't. Read any of the Valencia threads, read any match day thread from the second half of last season.

Hell see the post directly above this. The only part of his game that is lacking is his delivery and somehow that makes people say he's useless. Mental. People don't watch football, just the highlights.
 

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And I will simply say to that, look at all the 'players' we had with leadership qualities in those teams. Also the common denominator there was clearly Ferguson. Bryan Robson was the captain when Atkinson was in charge and I don't remember us winning any league titles then either.

This team is lacking in leaders full stop.
The fact that it was clearly something that Ferguson thought was important probably had something to do with why many of us here feel the same way. Who are we to argue with him? The results speak for themselves.

The fact we've assembled a squad with so little perceived leadership since he left isn't a good enough reason to continue along the path of having what amount to honourary captains based on who happened to be first through the door.

Fair enough, Mourinho can't have known that Michael Carrick would develop a serious heath problem, and have such limited influence as captain last season, but surely he knew it was a short term solution at best, given his age.

For me, a captain should be a regular, the first name on the tram sheet and a player you can rely on, a great motivator and communicator, and ideally a player at or approaching their peak years. This appointment doesn't meet any of those criteria.
 

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Actually, last year he was captain, he talked with the referee quite a lot. These two reddit posts are accurate I think:


Those two post are just random people's opinions and theories based on hopes and wishes and a bit of watching him on TV. As I said above, someone who plays with the guy week in, week out told me last December that he still can't speak English. If he's mastered the language since then, well, fair play to him.