The fact they are all saying we will sell for the right price. He doesn't appear to want to be here, Ok. but it isn't OK if they do not have a replacement.
Wot, no transfers?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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According to Andy Mitten: http://www.espn.com/soccer/club/man...hester-united-identify-potential-new-signings
Not certain how thrustworthy this is...
Short story:
Around new year Mourinho, Woody and head of corporate Developement Matt Judge(Uncertain as how knowledgable he is about players around the world) creates a list of 3 players from each position the manager wants to improve. Based on the list and available funds Woodward tries to aquire the players on the list.
From what Andy Mitten writes in the article we have an annual transfer strategy(list) made by the manager and Woodward and Judge(both more concerned with the 10K and 10Qs than football).
Hopefully and most likely? we have a more thourogh and long term view on how we conduct our transfers.
Not certain how thrustworthy this is...
Short story:
Around new year Mourinho, Woody and head of corporate Developement Matt Judge(Uncertain as how knowledgable he is about players around the world) creates a list of 3 players from each position the manager wants to improve. Based on the list and available funds Woodward tries to aquire the players on the list.
From what Andy Mitten writes in the article we have an annual transfer strategy(list) made by the manager and Woodward and Judge(both more concerned with the 10K and 10Qs than football).
Hopefully and most likely? we have a more thourogh and long term view on how we conduct our transfers.
According to the press, exactly my point.
I get your point. IMO Pereira is good enough to be a rotating player for us.
Also, I would prefer to sign a RW and LB before another CM. You mentioned that we need another midfielder, who would you sign?
Having the shorter transfer window in a World Cup year has exacerbated things imo.
Stop comparing us to other clubs. We are already 20 steps behind even before Jose arrived. Pep has signed 20 players, Jose has signed less than half of that.That's a clear sign you play too much FIFA/FMWe signed 2 players, City 1, Chelsea 1, Spurs 0, Arsenal a few mediocre ones and free agents. Exception is Liverpool but otherwise I would say everyone are struggling to sign players.
City didn’t even need to sign anyone this window cos they are packed wherever you look with good players - not makeshifts. Our full backs are retired wingers but you compare us to Man City that have 4 natural full-backs.
Keep comparing United to clubs that know what they are doing. Just don’t moan when the club drops out of top 4 by May next year.
Shouldn’t the folks who want us to play youth academy products be happy about our lack of signings?
Well we can close this thread. Martial is going to be sold pretty soon.
Weird situation as Lukaku, Rashford wouldn’t be ready or up to speed for the start of the season only really leaving Sanchez so unless we are bringing in another goalscorer or forward we could be starting with no recognised forward if you can even really call Martial that. Can’t see Jose being happy going in with Chong, greenwood or the likes for the first game.
Might ask for the odds on Michael Carrick coming out of retirement in January...
If you're being serious about that, you need to have a word with yourself. We've stormed preseason before and it's meant nothing in real terms. I don't disagree with the transfer part, but it's a post World Cup tour of the US, the results have zero baring on the real thing. Maybe 3 of the eleven who started last night get in the side. The transfers are a concern, but I'd save the meltdown for 2-weeks time.
Came to this thread after recent reliable transfer window linked like Maguire yet everyone is in meltdown because we only have less than 3 weeks! Someone is not satisfied with transfers linked that is enough reliable, we could bring Ronaldo/Messi/Neymar but they still won't be happy.
We should be asking Irwin or Beckham first tbh. Midfield is actually quite stocked.
They have spotted a CB from Leicester, about a year too late.
Absolute waste of resource if you ask me.
I still believe we will sign players however the attitude of the board etc after finishing so far behind city and winning nothing last year is strange. I'd have thought we'd have had players lined up before last season was out but we seem to not have done that. It's almost like they don't mind how last year went, it doesn't seem to have sparked a big reaction
So lads, many of you were claiming that the reason why we are not signing players is because of the WC.
The WC was over for the vast majority of players for 2 weeks, yet we have not made any signings. And by all accounts, we are not even close to making a signing.
What's the excuse now?
The WC was over for the vast majority of players for 2 weeks, yet we have not made any signings. And by all accounts, we are not even close to making a signing.
What's the excuse now?
Jose and Ed and the Board had a barney ,now there's no money available. And we may never ever ever sign anyone again ,ever . And we will all have to start supporting someone else I'm personally going to support the Women's team i like their new signing .
So because of that we should accept that we couldn't get more than 1 shot on target against an MLS team, which is at the bottom of their league?
And it doesn't worry you that last season we finished the season, struggling to score goals and create chances and in 2 matches, we scored only 1 goal? And in our last match we had 1 shot on target?
Are you trying to say that this is "okay"?
I remember when we had a good pre-season with LVG. We started our EPL season very well that year.
Last year we were good in pre-season and once again, we started (along with MCFC), incredibly well.
To say that pre-season has no baring on the EPL season is short-sighted.
That still does not excuse us having only 1 shot on target and none of our attackers have a shot on target. Our attackers seem to lack the ability to score goals or shoot. You think this is okay, also?
Fair enough. But I like to deal with things in advance. I like to pay my bills in advance. I like to make plans in advance. And I like to have a meltdown...in advance.
We had 3 wins in the first 10 games that year. Not exactly a good start imoSo because of that we should accept that we couldn't get more than 1 shot on target against an MLS team, which is at the bottom of their league?
And it doesn't worry you that last season we finished the season, struggling to score goals and create chances and in 2 matches, we scored only 1 goal? And in our last match we had 1 shot on target?
Are you trying to say that this is "okay"?
I remember when we had a good pre-season with LVG. We started our EPL season very well that year.
Last year we were good in pre-season and once again, we started (along with MCFC), incredibly well.
To say that pre-season has no baring on the EPL season is short-sighted.
That still does not excuse us having only 1 shot on target and none of our attackers have a shot on target. Our attackers seem to lack the ability to score goals or shoot. You think this is okay, also?
Fair enough. But I like to deal with things in advance. I like to pay my bills in advance. I like to make plans in advance. And I like to have a meltdown...in advance.
You have to apply a little logic here. Imagine you're Levy, your rival clubs within the Big Six have vastly superior resources to you in the transfer market - jumping straight in at the start of the window to reveal your cards would only provoke your rivals to outbid you. Far better to wait for the right moment when your rivals have exhausted their budgets. For example, if they had gone in for De Ligt early then Manchester City and potentially Barcelona would have likely outbid them, but if they do sell Alderweireld then Barcelona have already signed Lenglet and Manchester City have blown £67m and £200k/week on Mahrez, plus they have the Alderweireld income and a first team place to offer.
With Sessegnon, clearly they had no pressing need for him and were content to let him rest at Fulham for a season, Martial was opportunism as the Alderweireld talks could have given them an advantage, and they willl most likely get Grealish. A big part of getting Pochettino to sign his new contract was heavy investment this summer - we saw what happened after Allegri was made a similar promise - so I'd say their dormancy is certain to be shattered over the coming weeks.
It's a clear and obvious strategy.
With ourselves, the last few days have left me even more confused - I've read that we need to sell the likes of Rojo in order to bring a new defender in (may not be true but we certainly have too many defenders), yet we were the ones who recently gave him a fat new contract to "protect" our asset. Is the £5-10m we may get from a sale - if he chooses to leave - really worth the £20m of the contract? With Premier League FFP restricting overall wage increases? I've also read that we're trying to do the same with Shaw, despite the fact that he is supposedly the block on Sandro coming in.
We're also very reluctantly selling Martial because - as with Bale this summer - we were blindsided beyond actual logic by the opportunity of a superstar signing in Sanchez. Seems like we have two strategies - generic "be smart" AND be Real Madrid v2. But the first is being executed on by a businessman that doesn't understand the human element of players and the second further contradicts it.
In what world does someone come up with something like this?
So Poch's lack of activity in the transfer market is, in fact, a masterplan-come-strategy, but Jose's lack of activity is nothing more than incompetence. Sounds about right.
Your theory is both elaborate and nonsensical in equal measure. I loved it.
I didn't say Levy's masterplan would work, just that he's doing the obvious thing given his situation. Have you yet to notice how he does the same thing every year?
I also went into a quite a lot of detail above and in the OP about our actual attempted activity being strange, not inactivity.
Have you noticed how they're likely to slip further and further down the pecking order in the PL?
I think they'll struggle to get to 5th.
Being the key word. 2016 - 3rd, 2017 - 2nd, 2018 - 3rd, 2019 - 6th or lower?
Considering we've already ascertained their transfer window is going the same as it always does, can you explain the link from 2018-2019?
I believe the link to 6th or lower is: www.wishfulthinking.com
This is a fans forum designed for people to have an opinion, so yes I think :-)
When you consider that City will probably win it, United will probably challenge Liverpool for 2nd, that only leaves 1 slot in the top 4, and we have Chelsea and Arsenal rebuilding with new managers.
Not to mention the burnout that Spurs will undoubtedly suffer from their involvement in the world cup, coupled with a constant lack of signings, lack of squad depth.
I tip 5th.
I tip (rather pessimistic)
City and Liverpool battle for the title, with City winning it since some clubs will do what the Bundesliga teams did to Dortmund during the 12-13 season: Park the bus with all but two fast attackers, then play long direct balls behind the Liverpool defence.
Gap in points
Spurs 3rd: While struggling in the first 5 games or so, the WC players will become better and they will find their form. And they will sign one or two good players before the transfer window shuts.
Us, Chelsea and maybe Arsenal will battle for 4th.
Well you're right with Manchester City, but Liverpool finished behind behind them last year so it depends how well all their new players bed in, and as for Arsenal and Chelsea, we know too well that new managers don't always take the place by storm.
I think Mourinho did well with last season's squad to finish ahead of Tottenham; I'd take the vast majority of their players into our first 11.
They've got a good squad Spurs, but this is why I don't understand why Mourinho get so much criticism, he was the difference between United and Spurs, he knows how to win and got an extra 10-15 points out of us, which is why I think we'll finish above Liverpool.
I remember in the final 3-4 months of last season, so many pundits, rival fans and even plenty of United fans were arguing with me that Liverpool were way better and would finish well above us in 2nd place.
They didn't get close. They had probably the worlds best player, playing out of his skin in Mo Salah, and they couldn't catch us. We comfortably finished above them, and I think fans should remember that going into this season.
United are the boring choice, boring manager, boring signings so far, but I back us to finish 3rd or 2nd.
Griezmann is definitely the better player.
You didnt finish the sentence.
"Jones and Smalling on the other hand... Completely outperformed Lindelof, Bailly and Rojo last season"
Hopefully one of Bailly and Lindelof can step up and at least take Jones place in the team, if not cement themselves as someone we arent looking to improve on. To expect both of them to do it together is asking far too much from what we've seen of them, individually and together.
Agreed.
I think this is going to be the fullest transfer window for the PL and Europe as a whole in a while.
It’s also look extremely underwhelming for United.
It’s really hard to see us bringing in some players of the sort of caliber we are desperate for.
How do you know we re not close to making any more signings? FFS. Do you think Real are panicking bc they don't have Courtois and Hazard wrapped up? The only reason we might not get certain players is because it's clear we often get involved in these domino effect schemes. Other clubs need to move too, unfortunately with the money United have its clear any other club is going to try and milk us for all we re worth so unfortunately it's probably a bit more of a bluffing game in our case to not get ripped off. Not to mention we re actively being used by players, agents and other clubs for their gain by making up Bs stories. How many transfers have we done here that folks actually saw coming with near certainty well ahead of time? I'm guessing it's not many.
I agree with much of this, but do have nagging concerns about domino effects and the Premier League closing its window before the rest of Europe does. I think there'll be some great deals done once the season has started.
I never expected or wanted a huge overhaul. We did sign Sanchez out of the blue in january and pardon the cliche but he could be like a new signing. Joining an inconsistent team mid season is tough. Lindelof also didnt play loads but a year and good world cup later is hopefully ready to step up. Injury free sessons for pogba and bailly would help so there is loads of scope for internal improvement. Not to mention that if fred can quicken things up in the middle and dalot reduce valencias burden.
Saying all of that we need a right sided attacker and id like a wild card for the bench. We make too many like for like changes. Shaqiri would have been a good signing at his price. We need a substitute who can score goals- hernandez ilk.
Saying all of that we need a right sided attacker and id like a wild card for the bench. We make too many like for like changes. Shaqiri would have been a good signing at his price. We need a substitute who can score goals- hernandez ilk.
We have obvious weaknesses but dont address them, once more. It just appears that something is not right behind the scenes
But surely they know the weaknesses?
Surely they know we once again are going into the season with 2x makeshift full backs that are 33 years old
Luke shaw - will never be trusted by Jose
Dalot - is unknown and unproven
TFM - see Luke shaw
Darmian - we want him gone but we’re holding out for a bigger fee it seems
Inconceivable that a club our size has major problems on either flank
We’ll start the season well but as soon as the first defeat arrives the meltdown will start and Jose’s head will be called for
Urgh..
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