Ah yes, players are always terminating their contracts when they find themselves on the bench...
Toby Alderweireld
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Are you saying the rule doesn't exist?
I do so wish people would stop rounding up ages to fit an agenda. Just quote the mans age ffs.
He's 29 now. Every year that passes he is 12 months older. We can all math. Next year he will be 30.
It's especially daft when you finish up with 'He's at his peak age'.
£25m is absolutely feck all for one of the best centre backs in the league. Even if he was to only have two good seasons that's a steal for the buying club in this marketplace. He's an excellent defender.
There may be a rule but there’s a reason it doesn’t happen. Clubs don’t want players doing it so won’t sign players who do it.
It really doesn't. It has never happened in history of football for a player to unilaterally terminate his contract cause they let him rot in the bench.
Thing is, it isn't healthy for the club to do so. In Tony's case, Spurs will lose 25-30m pounds on transfer fee, need to pay to Toby his wages and he might be a bad influence in the dressing room. So, while is is perfectly legal for them to keep him in the bench (or U23) for a year, it is a bad financial decision.
Got a feeling we'll get this done. Yerry Mina and Jerome Boateng look like smokescreens and just don't make any sense, I can't see how they improve us. Alderweirelildin on the other hand, he would definitely improve us.
Also while we have some other glaring holes in our squad doesn't mean we should neglect obviously weak areas like CB.
Also while we have some other glaring holes in our squad doesn't mean we should neglect obviously weak areas like CB.
I'm not saying it's likely, I'm just using it to illustrate that players do, in fact, have rights. The contract is a two-way agreement, and a club is not free to do as it pleases just because the player's under contract.
Many clubs have benched players for this reason, and yet, it has never happened for a player to unilaterally break the contract cause of it. Also, no club would want to sign such a player, cause you know, if that becomes acceptable, then that club might lose assets cause of that law.
its not the contract it’s to be potentially forced to sit out another 12 months. He can appeal it
in these circumstances he’d undoubtedly win his appeal
The player has to appear in less than 10% of the clubs official matches to be able to use it, and most clubs are smart enough to give the player enough appearances to not be eligible to do so. For most, 5 or 6 appearances will be enough.
I'm saying, the rule is there. Stick a player in the reserves for a season, as some seem to think a club is free to do, and he can terminate his contract. And in such a scenario, I don't see why the player would have trouble finding a new club. I'm certain a lot of top teams would be offering Alderweireld contracts if that were to happen to him. It won't, but if it did.
And yet no player has ever done it.
tell you what... if you want that point taken seriously, how about you list all players that have had to sit out over 18 months already and have been forced to sit out another 12 of an extension...
I’ll wait
For two major reasons. The club either manages to find a buyer, or he's never really fully out of the team. Give him six appearances, and he's no longer in a position to terminate his contract.
I'm just saying all this to combat the idea that "the player is under contract, club can do as it wants" (not saying you're one of the people under this impression). They can do a lot, but players are not left completely without recourse.
You said all Toby has to do is go to CAS and he'll definitely win. When you say something like that, it's reasonable that you will be challenged on it. And to back up your point, you have shown....what, exactly?
So 5 appearances in the 93rd minute will do it. It is practically a non forceable clause.
Oh, and Winston Bogarde.
Why on Earth would he be forced to play on the reserves? He’s currently behind their first choice CB partnership, if he stays he will be part of the squad and will be play lots of games. He’s not going to CAS, he won’t be ostracised from the first team squad - this is such a pointless agreement.
We extend players contracts all the time to protect the asset, see Herrera, Mata, Shaw, Fellaini and soon to be Martial. The player agrees to this option when they sign the original contract. Pretty sure we did the same with Evra and flogged him a few week later to get a fee.
Yeah, It'd require you to be frozen out of the squad completely.
That's the other way round. Club desperate to get rid, player content with just cashing his checks, knowing he'll get nowhere near that amount anywhere else.
Unless that was your point.
No, I’m saying it’s not applicable. As you have already discussed, the player would need to be completely ostrasized from the squad. I haven’t followed it closely, but Alderweireld did play in the second half of the season and was training as normal, etc. It’s up to Pochettino who his starting centre backs are, and no-one can force Levy to sell because Toby’s unhappy or because a random poster on here thinks he has been offered a fair transfer fee for him. In theory, things can continue as they are and Spurs can trigger the extension and Alderweireld would ultimately just have to accept it.
Can see us signing both him and Harry......
What rule is this?
That would be mental if so and surely spell the end for most of our defence
What are you waffling on about? What agenda?
I'm saying he will be the wrong side of 30 next summer. Nearly 31. He will very likely only have two more seasons maximum after this one as a top CB and that is depending on fitness etc it is possible his few years at Spurs will be his career best performances.
And what is daft about saying he is at his peak age? Are you disagreeing with me and saying he ISN'T at his peak age?!
Sure, 25 million would be a steal for someone of Alderweireld's ability next summer, but he will still be the wrong side of 30. That's why Spurs cashing in on him for big money now is a good decision.
Can’t see us whacking £150 odd million on centre backs, can you imagine
we will defence the shit out of everyone!He won't be nearly 31 because his birthday is in March.What are you waffling on about? What agenda?
I'm saying he will be the wrong side of 30 next summer. Nearly 31. He will very likely only have two more seasons maximum after this one as a top CB and that is depending on fitness etc it is possible his few years at Spurs will be his career best performances.
And what is daft about saying he is at his peak age? Are you disagreeing with me and saying he ISN'T at his peak age?!
Sure, 25 million would be a steal for someone of Alderweireld's ability next summer, but he will still be the wrong side of 30. That's why Spurs cashing in on him for big money now is a good decision.
.......Kane?
Hink it's clear we are negotiating for Boateng and Alderweireld at the same time.
So according to Goal.com, an agreement is made between the clubs:
http://www.goal.com/en/news/man-utd...s-want-replacement/17oaqir7esfki1pqktehzrcc34
http://www.goal.com/en/news/man-utd...s-want-replacement/17oaqir7esfki1pqktehzrcc34
Don't you know, a player is finished after 25, and they can barely walk after 30. There are so many silly myths regarding players' physical conditions after 30. If you look after yourself, you can be fit as a fiddle at 35. Gatlin was 35 when he won a gold medal in the 100m sprint, beating a 21 year old Coleman and Usain Bolt. Just because us armchair critics are obese and terribly out of shape does not mean athletes are. I think many footballers lose their edge after 30 because they lose their hunger, or a lot of the times due to injuries. Alderweireld was never that reliant on his physical attributes anyhow.
Dutch media also writing he's going to United. Great signing imo, always rated Toby.
Any links?
Please with this signing.
https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/2394969/alleen-alderweireld-niet-genoeg-voor-mourinho
It's in Dutch though. Telegraaf chief of sports Valentijn Driessen usually knows his stuff. They use tentative terms in the article though, so not set in stone I guess.
Hmm. So we're in "pole position" out of all 1 clubs that are in for him
Cheers. Personally, I can see us missing out on him on the final day due to Levy messing us about.
you're surprised papers write in this fashion? Anything for clicks mate.
This is why Jose wants him
Highest accumulation of accurate long balls from a CB last season. 3rd most inaccurate ones too behind Holgate and Nyom. He plays the most long balls out of CB in the league and hes good at them. Expect to see him picking out Lukaku and Fellaini with an average of 8.5 accurate long passes per 90 mins
Highest accumulation of accurate long balls from a CB last season. 3rd most inaccurate ones too behind Holgate and Nyom. He plays the most long balls out of CB in the league and hes good at them. Expect to see him picking out Lukaku and Fellaini with an average of 8.5 accurate long passes per 90 mins
His long passing is excellent.This is why Jose wants him
Highest accumulation of accurate long balls from a CB last season. 3rd most inaccurate ones too behind Holgate and Nyom. He plays the most long balls out of CB in the league and hes good at them. Expect to see him picking out Lukaku and Fellaini with an average of 8.5 accurate long passes per 90 mins
Most of those long balls are diagonal passes to wingers.
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