Paul Pogba: My attitude wasn't right

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For a Manchester united captain to admit his own and his team mates attitude is not right is inexcusable.

Of course, the media and us fans will micro analyse everything surrounding the club currently as we are in a bit of a bad spot.

If Jose drops Pogba, the shit storm will kick off big time.

Pogba wasn't the worst player on the pitch for us, but it doesn't excuse his performance or his admittance his attitude isn't right.

I would never have put Pogba as captain, his ego is big enough and despite 1 conveniently leaked video of him rallying the troops for france he has done nothing to warrant it. He doesn't lead the team 1 iota. Not many of our current lot do mind, but putting Pogba as captain was done for the wrong reasons.

Shameful performance.

We are a team not putting a shift in for the shirt, not putting any determination into performances for the manager and playing without any clue as to what the tactics/style of play is. The players do not seem to WANT to win for us. Big worry
People don't understand...English is a second language for Pogba so words don't always have the same exact meaning. it seems he was just trying to take responsibility as captain.
 

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For a Manchester united captain to admit his own and his team mates attitude is not right is inexcusable.

Of course, the media and us fans will micro analyse everything surrounding the club currently as we are in a bit of a bad spot.

If Jose drops Pogba, the shit storm will kick off big time.

Pogba wasn't the worst player on the pitch for us, but it doesn't excuse his performance or his admittance his attitude isn't right.

I would never have put Pogba as captain, his ego is big enough and despite 1 conveniently leaked video of him rallying the troops for france he has done nothing to warrant it. He doesn't lead the team 1 iota. Not many of our current lot do mind, but putting Pogba as captain was done for the wrong reasons.

Shameful performance.

We are a team not putting a shift in for the shirt, not putting any determination into performances for the manager and playing without any clue as to what the tactics/style of play is. The players do not seem to WANT to win for us. Big worry
Reading far to much into a player attempting to take responsibility as captain for a poor team performance.
I suppose instead he should have criticised the team instead and blamed his teammates :rolleyes: (which he kind of did since he said our attitude, before backtracking and saying he himself first)

The fall out from his comments is pretty silly. Maybe everyone would have been happy if he lied instead and said the team were unlucky and put in a good shift, and hes upset for his teammates? :wenger:
 

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People don't understand...English is a second language for Pogba so words don't always have the same exact meaning. it seems he was just trying to take responsibility as captain.
I read it that way too, didn't see it as him saying he couldn't be arsed. He was saying we have to do better essentially, I believe he does want to be the captain that united need, he cares about the club. This whole thing needs to be put behind us, hanging on every word he says in interviews.. it's time to focus on the football which wasn't good enough from PP or the rest of the team.
 

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All he's guilty of being self aware in public. He realised he approached the game wrong and was man enough to admit it. Hindsight allows that.

For his own sake he should have just hid and kept quiet like all the others. Then he could have wrote a lovely blog post the next day saying "we need to bounce back" or some shite.
 

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People don't understand...English is a second language for Pogba so words don't always have the same exact meaning. it seems he was just trying to take responsibility as captain.
Agreed. Knives are out though so don't expect common sense on here.
 

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All he's guilty of being self aware in public. He realised he approached the game wrong and was man enough to admit it. Hindsight allows that.

For his own sake he should have just his and kept quiet like all the others. Then he could have wrote a lovely blog post the next day saying "we need to bounce back" or some shite.
Yeah, that’s my take on it too. I’m not seeing anything to get outraged about.

Other than his actual performance, anyway!
 

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Another ‘easy’ game where he went in unfocused again. That’s what’s separating him from being a truly great player. Ronaldo and Messi loves the easy games where they feast on the opponents and rack up goals and assists, Pogba takes it like a training session and racks up terrible performances.

He seriously needs a kick up his ass, he’s supposed to be approaching his prime but he’s playing like it’s his first season out of the academy.
 

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Honestly: I can understand why the attitude of some players doesn't seem to be right at the moment. If you have the potential a lot of our players have (Pogba, Martial, Sanchez..) and get then coached by a dinosaur who just isn't able to bring the best out of the team (nevermind yourself) this is just frustrating.

Mou is the problem and needs to leave - should have abaout a yeasr ago though..
I mentioned this point before and got shot down for it, but I'm going to have another go: when a player is first bought, especially on or near to transfer deadline day I know they are often installed in a Manchester hotel until, after a few weeks, they can move into a rented or purchased mansion out near Alderley Edge or Knutsford! Yet our manager has stayed in the Hotel and I believe is still there.....

What sort of message does this send out, to the team, regarding his commitment, long-term?

Furthermore, if he did have a proper home out in Cheshire, after a result like Sundays he could have the senior players over (away from the glare of the press) to talk out the issues and maybe build up team spirit. (A bit like how Theresa May has away-days at Chequers to pull people together).

P.S. I think Pogba and a couple of others were also at the Marriot Hotel, does anyone know if that is still the case? bearing mind my comment above. But if they are, my comment remains the same - but extends to those players. Come to Manchester and play for Utd. but put down some roots to show you wanna stay, through thick and thin. Pogba was great at the World Cup, he wears his heart on his sleeve playing for his country and quite right too. But if he is just a mercenary playing for Utd. with no affinity for the club (in fact negative history cos of what happened 1st time around) and no willingness to establish a home locally, he will always have a problem with his 'attitude' and he will never perform for us, as he does for his country.
 
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I believe is still there.....

What sort of message does this send out, to the team, regarding his commitment, long-term?
This issue has been discussed, Mourinho also commented on the issue. I don’t know how it’s still an issue to the CAF
 

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100% mate. I guess that's football though, people like to make assumptions that suit their own agendas.

I don't know what we should do with him but in all honesty, I'm past caring really. On his day, he's a good player but those days are so, so rare. He could be Man of the Match against Spurs on Monday and everyone will be "as if people were criticising him" but he needs the game to go in a certain way for that to happen. He's so unadaptable. People talk about the lack of movement but a lot of the passes he gave away against Brighton were simple, simple passes. He lost the ball multiple times in dangerous areas. That has nothing to do with anyone, or anything else other than Paul Pogba, nothing.

What's the answer? Keep picking him and hope the game suits him? Don't pick him and risk it all? If we don't pick him and we're still struggling, he'll throw a paddy if we call on him again. He'll have one good game in seven and its "I told you so" and then he's quite again for weeks. Unfortunately, the situation is a laughing stock and is everything I dislike about modern football.
I agree with you and, if I was a neutral, I'd be laughing at the silliness Pogba has brought with him to United.

Everyone we buy is to 'unlock' Pogba. We drop a number 10 and move to a three man midfield to 'unlock' Pogba. People are saying we should fire the manager to 'unlock' Pogba. At what point do we pull back the curtain on the wizard of Oz, take a long, hard look and say 'actually he's not what we thought he was'? That actually there isn't that much more to 'unlock' than what we're already getting.

Nobody mentions Pjanic in the same breath as the best players in the world but he replaced Pogba seemlessly at Juve. Maybe Pogba's not quite as good as he or we believe?
 

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....Mourinho also commented on the issue.
I must have missed that Dembeza, could you roughly say what he said?

I just think he has lost his mojo and looks such a miserable so-and-so and I can't help but think that going 'home' to a hotel (albeit a lovely one, no doubt) contributes to this, when he could easily afford a lovely place out of the City. He might then get back to how he was when he first managed Chelsea - enthusiastic for the game, with a smile on his face and most importantly, success on the pitch.
 

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Mourinho about Pogba's World Cup:
“I don’t think it’s about us getting the best out of him,” the Portuguese told ESPN. “It’s about him giving the best he has to give. I think the World Cup is the perfect habitat for a player like him to give the best. Why? Because it’s closed for a month, where he can only think about football. Where he’s with his team on the training camp, completely isolated from the external world, where they focus just on football, where the dimensions of the game can only motivate.[

Pogba on Mourinho's comment:
In comments widely regarded as reflecting continuing problems with his relationship with the United boss, he wrote: "I'll always give my best for the fans and my team mates, no matter what's going on."

He did not directly mention Mourinho, who has been critical of the player he signed from Juventus in 2016.

But after being asked if he was "happy and comfortable" at United, Pogba replied: "There are things I can say and there are things I cannot say... otherwise I will get fined."


****Pogba plays shit****

Pogba again:
"We lost, we did not deserve to win," Pogba told Sky Sports after the match. "The attitude we had was not like we wanted to beat them, they had more hunger than us.

"I put myself first, my attitude wasn't right enough, we keep trying and pushing, and it is going to be a big lesson for us."
Not so clever now, are you Paul?
 

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Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. People go on and on about wanting more honesty from players, and when they get it, they don't like it.
Come on, you have to laugh.

"I always give my best for the fans" then a week later "my attitude wasn't right" :wenger:
 

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Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. People go on and on about wanting more honesty from players, and when they get it, they don't like it.
Pogba was being hypocritical in the first place.

He complained about Mourinho questioning his attitude, then went on to play a game where his attitude was crap.

In fairness to Pogba, he's admitted he was wrong. So props to him for that. It needed to be said.
 

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"I've never been more embarrassed in my life" She must've lived a very sheltered life.
 

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People don't understand...English is a second language for Pogba so words don't always have the same exact meaning. it seems he was just trying to take responsibility as captain.
Funny - he always speaks with perfect etiquette in English in previous interviews.

He clearly understand the language and is able to communicate.

Seems a very defensive viewpoint, he said what he said
 

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Reading far to much into a player attempting to take responsibility as captain for a poor team performance.
I suppose instead he should have criticised the team instead and blamed his teammates :rolleyes: (which he kind of did since he said our attitude, before backtracking and saying he himself first)

The fall out from his comments is pretty silly. Maybe everyone would have been happy if he lied instead and said the team were unlucky and put in a good shift, and hes upset for his teammates? :wenger:
Shameful defence for a player not worthy of the armband.

How can any Manchester united player go into a game with the wrong attitude, play atrociously then admit to the media his attitude was wrong.

Baffles me how Pogba can be defended honestly
 

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I agree with you and, if I was a neutral, I'd be laughing at the silliness Pogba has brought with him to United.

Everyone we buy is to 'unlock' Pogba. We drop a number 10 and move to a three man midfield to 'unlock' Pogba. People are saying we should fire the manager to 'unlock' Pogba. At what point do we pull back the curtain on the wizard of Oz, take a long, hard look and say 'actually he's not what we thought he was'? That actually there isn't that much more to 'unlock' than what we're already getting.

Nobody mentions Pjanic in the same breath as the best players in the world but he replaced Pogba seemlessly at Juve. Maybe Pogba's not quite as good as he or we believe?
Agreed.
What's next, "we need to sell DDG and replace him with a GK with better feet....it'll get the best out of Pogba."

Paul Pogba is,at the end of the day,a midfielder. I don't care about these trendy modern names for different types of midfielders. He's a midfielder.

We've tried everything at our disposal to unlock this supposedly elite player....We've had him play in every position in that section of the park,bought specific players to compliment his strengths.

And this is what we have.
 

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Exactly.

People think that Raiola has hypnotised Pogba or something. :lol:

Look Pogba wants to leave. People act like, cos he was in our academy, he loves the club. We stole him from Le Harve and he left for Juventus a few years later. He's not Rashford or Lingard. He didn't grow up in the North West adoring Manchester United. Expecting him to act like the local lads is mad.

Barcelona have indicated they want Pogba. Pogba's probably thinking 'Ronaldo's gone, Barca finished 17 points ahead last season, if I go there I get sunshine and trophies. Why stay at United?'

People are looking at this as United fans, they need to get away from it and look at it like Pogba, as an employee: He's got a good job but he's seen a better job opportunity and he wants it. Its that simple.

All these controversies that he and Raiola are cooking up are just attempts to get the move Pogba wants.
and you know what? hes contracted here for like 3 more years. in real life can you just quit your job just like that with no repurcussions and work somewhere else even if you're contracted somewhere/
 

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Had a good world cup with Kante one of the hardest workers around him and a squad generally so good that they could beat most teams without getting out of 2nd gear.

The world cup didn't show much more to Pogba than we already knew. He has plenty of quality, but a very selective attitude.

I actually took his acknowledgement of bad attitude against Brighton as a good thing. I'm hoping with the world cup fresh in his mind he has been reminded what it takes to win and how not doing that or not having the team doing it means he is realising what is required for all games.

A Pogba with consistency could drive the whole mood and success of United. We showed last year with all the 4-0 games what we have in potential.
The world cup showed us that Pogba takes playing for France more seriously than playing for United. eg. His hairstyle.

Pogba showed more effort to defend and track back for France than he does for United. Not that hes very good defensively anyway.
 

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and you know what? hes contracted here for like 3 more years. in real life can you just quit your job just like that with no repurcussions and work somewhere else even if you're contracted somewhere/
Play bad enough keep mking wierd quotes to the press and that 3 year contract goes away. Maybe thats the thinking?
 

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The world cup showed us that Pogba takes playing for France more seriously than playing for United. eg. His hairstyle.
:lol:
I didn't realise Garth Crooks posted here.
 

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and you know what? hes contracted here for like 3 more years. in real life can you just quit your job just like that with no repurcussions and work somewhere else even if you're contracted somewhere/
4 more years. He signed a 5+1 contract.
 

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Like I’ve mentioned earlier, we probably shouldn’t put too much into it. His English isn’t that great, he probably just meant the team wasn’t quite there in terms of energy and focus. It happens every round, and if it didn’t every great team would beat the lesser team every round. When Brighton beats United, it means they were 100% and we weren’t on the day. The interview was not with Lingard, Jones or someone fluent in English, it was with a foreigner after all. Cut him some slack - if Mourinho and Pogba really had a huge beef, Pogba wouldn’t be playing as captain.
 

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Mourinho about Pogba's World Cup:



Pogba on Mourinho's comment:




****Pogba plays shit****

Pogba again:


Not so clever now, are you Paul?
I felt Jose's comments about the World Cup were as accurate an assessment as you can muster and reminds me that Jose is a very smart man (although moany, stubborn, plays shite football). Anyone and his dog could see that Paul's attitude was different for France in this tournament and he freed himself of any self indulgent and just stuck to his managers instruction where as I remember him getting taken off for United due to not listening. maybe he respects Deschamps more (world cup winner, ex Juve, multiple CL finalist), he was more afraid of the ramifications of playing for his country, plus the prestige of the competition and being isolated from distractions and focused purely on football. This is what Jose alluded to and it seemed Pogba objected to questions of his attitude and what he gives to United, then admitted it after his next poor performance.
 

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I felt Jose's comments about the World Cup were as accurate an assessment as you can muster and reminds me that Jose is a very smart man (although moany, stubborn, plays shite football). Anyone and his dog could see that Paul's attitude was different for France in this tournament and he freed himself of any self indulgent and just stuck to his managers instruction where as I remember him getting taken off for United due to not listening. maybe he respects Deschamps more (world cup winner, ex Juve, multiple CL finalist), he was more afraid of the ramifications of playing for his country, plus the prestige of the competition and being isolated from distractions and focused purely on football. This is what Jose alluded to and it seemed Pogba objected to questions of his attitude and what he gives to United, then admitted it after his next poor performance.
I don't think that it was the point. I'm pretty sure that Pogba was talking about the way they reacted when they faced adversity, in my opinion that's the attitude he is talking about.
 

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I agree with her, despicable.
She's never been more embarrassed in her life?

What a drama queen.

EDIT: Just seen other posters above have basically said the same thing already.
 
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Like I’ve mentioned earlier, we probably shouldn’t put too much into it. His English isn’t that great, he probably just meant the team wasn’t quite there in terms of energy and focus. It happens every round, and if it didn’t every great team would beat the lesser team every round. When Brighton beats United, it means they were 100% and we weren’t on the day. The interview was not with Lingard, Jones or someone fluent in English, it was with a foreigner after all. Cut him some slack - if Mourinho and Pogba really had a huge beef, Pogba wouldn’t be playing as captain.
I disagree, Pogba's English is more than good enough for him to express himself clearly.
 

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Pogba is not happy
Pogba is not being well used
Pogba needs the right players for his potential to be unlocked
Pogba needs the right manager for his potential to be unlocked
Buy Matic for Pogba
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Play 4-3-3 for Pogba
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Pogba this, Pogba that!

You know what? Let's just change the club's name from Manchester United to Paul Pogba United.
 

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I will wait to see the outcome of this, but I think that Mourinho goes before Pogba.
That is more likely due to Mourinho going really quickly if things carry on, & not being able to sell Pogba. Both need to leave the club.
 

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That is more likely due to Mourinho going really quickly if things carry on, & not being able to sell Pogba. Both need to leave the club.
Zidane might bring out the best in Pogba. He would allow him more freedom and play more attacking football.