If we give Martial a new, improved contract it’s nothing but a power move from Woodward to show Mourinho who makes decisions here. Even without his apparent issues with management Martial has not done enough to deserve it since coming here.
What to do with Anthony Martial?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Or option B, he really does think he’ll out last Jose. Does seem strange, obviously none of us know what their actual relationship is like or if anything we’ve read is true but if even half of it is and he is now being offered a contract seems like a right slap in the face to Jose.
Happy he’s staying but think offering a 5 year contract is going abit too far. Let him prove himself again under new manager and then by all means offer a long term extension.
Also, if Mourinho is sacked what self respecting manager would want to come to a club where he has no say at all in who is bought or sold?
So Jose has no say at all in who is signed and sold?
I really hope Woodward gets the sack.
I thought new contracts these days were just a means of increasing the potential price for a player. Nothing more.
Good move by the club. He's our most talented player.
Once he gets a run of games he'll (hopefully) show it. He just hasn't had the chance under José. I said the exact same thing in regards to Shaw when it was popular to slag him off, call for his head, and demand he be sold, too.
Once he gets a run of games he'll (hopefully) show it. He just hasn't had the chance under José. I said the exact same thing in regards to Shaw when it was popular to slag him off, call for his head, and demand he be sold, too.
I thought you were leaving the forum and boycotting Utd?
This would draw parallels with Hazard and Mourinho in their last season at Chelsea. Hazard under performing and then exploding back again under a new manager when having less defensive work to do.
This is one of the worst things to happen. Clearly shows a power struggle between Woodward and Mourinho.
We have an accountant overriding a manager's choices on player contracts.
We have an accountant overriding a manager's choices on player contracts.
Wtf?
Why is this a power move against Mourinho? Did Mourinho want to use him to get a Willian or a Toby in the summer? Absolutely. Is the window closed now? Again, absolutely. So, we cannot use him in any swap deal now.
In such a scenario, will Mourinho want a player committed to the club giving his all or a player who wants to leave? Mourinho cannot play football himself and he'd be more than happy to have another player committed to the cause giving his all.
On top of all of this, Martial is a valuable asset and it makes 0 business sense to do anything but preserve value.
@Slevs Read ^ and explain to me your thoughts bro
Clearly not. He wanted to sell Martial, Woodward refused and is offering him a 5 year contract. He wanted to buy a central defender, Woodward refused and not because of lack of funds. He wanted to buy Perisic, Woodward refused because he wanted to buy Bale.
It seems we have taken the dangerous road of rewarding failure.
It is no wonder we then struggle to offload these players as invariably they are on an extortionate salary.
I just can't wait for us to reward Phil Jones with a new 5 year contract!!
It is no wonder we then struggle to offload these players as invariably they are on an extortionate salary.
I just can't wait for us to reward Phil Jones with a new 5 year contract!!
Only difference is that Martial is capable only of exploding back into mediocrity.
Are we all just believing any old crap the papers write now then?
Only here would you see a contract signing spun into a power struggle
Only here would you see a contract signing spun into a power struggle
Your post makes sense but the part where I have a problem is "Committed to the cause and giving his all".
Martial is clearly not doing that. Nicolas Anelka MK 2 man. Sulks when he wants, plays when he wants. Sick of these types of players.
you mean to tell me that woodward is looking out for the club's and potentially the team's interest by protecting its asset and not making a game of thrones like power play against the manager? unrealistic
The manager has a part to play in it, its not all on Martial. The guy was winning our player of the month almost every season for a good 4-5 month period before we signed Sanchez who hasn't had to earn his spot on the left wing yet and plays regardless.
MArtial isnt a United fan, he isnt a lad who's grown up here. He's just watched his countrymen, kids he's grown up with lift the World Cup while he was at home watching on the telly. Can you blame him for wanting away if he thinks he's never going to be trusted by the manager?
It's too obvious at this point, the timing of it just after heaviest defeat at home for Jose. Fwiw I always thought it was about money when it came to Martial, his agent words were something to the tune of 'Manchester United with their resources are not doing enough'. He knows Martial's star isn't as shiny as it was after 2016, no top club would fork out the money which would be required him to switch so he's doing the sensible thing and helping his client earn a boatloads of money. I also wouldn't be surprised if Woodward has given assurances to him that Mourinho won't last beyond this season.
Absolutely, it is. Mourinho wanted to bin him in the summer to get the players he needed. Woodward told him no (funny how we have to sell players to buy even though we proclaim ourselves to be richest in the world?) Woodward specifically briefed the journos about this on the eve of opening day. And when the doubts about his future are growing bigger by the day he has handed the same player who he wanted to sell a long-term contract.
It makes sense to protect your assets but ask yourself how many players have we able to get rid in the past few years when they are clearly not good enough or not wanted by the manager? Their exorbitant wages always becomes an issue and it's a reason why there's so much shit in our squad.
Martial even by his standards looked completely disinterest vs Brighton, he checked out a long time ago. He doesn't want to play for Mourinho and Mourinho knows this, despite this he's handed him a big fat contract just when pressure is an all-time high for Jose.
Welcome to the big time, there will always be few ready-made stars who'll be signed to strengthen the team. You have to always work for your position at a top club, being fans voted player of the month for 3 months isn't going to cut it, when you straight up give-up after a new signing is made in your position.
I find it bizarre why no one is saying he didn't score a fecking goal since January, he checked out after Alexis signing. He didn't want to fight anymore for his spot, only an established star would think like that and he's not one yet. He's living in a cuckoo land if he thinks he can walk into any top side across Europe. He'll have to work for his place regardless where he plays.
The contract renewal is the right thing to do, hence the board is reportedly advocating it. Which makes sense, because they've been right about more or less everything all summer. They just didn't expect the bloke in charge to go out of his way to decimate the performance of the team.
Thankfully they don't want him decimating the playing staff indefinitely. I can already read the future threads complaining about selling players when we were under Mourinho. Jesus, we still have to listen to halfwits who cry about selling bloody Hernandez and Evans. Van Gaal was right back then, mind, but Mourinho isn't this time. Which makes sense, of course, because he's sold potentially cracking players before.
Thankfully they don't want him decimating the playing staff indefinitely. I can already read the future threads complaining about selling players when we were under Mourinho. Jesus, we still have to listen to halfwits who cry about selling bloody Hernandez and Evans. Van Gaal was right back then, mind, but Mourinho isn't this time. Which makes sense, of course, because he's sold potentially cracking players before.
A true winner would wake up and prove everyone wrong, not change scenary when he failed to make the squad.
If he wasn't trusted by the manager, he wouldn't have started against Brighton.
What exactly did he do vs Brighton to deserve his place?
Players his age dont sign a 2 yr deal. You either offer them a proper one or none at all. Its in the club's interests too so I'm not sure who wins here if he gets a 2yr extension rather than a 5yr one?
What player has Mourinho sold here that he shouldn't have?
And to say Mourinho doesn't believe in him is wrong. Last season we had games where he'd focus on Martial the entire game instructing him to attack his man, sit back, move around etc.
A manager like Mourinho doesn't do that if he doesn't believe in a player, he doesn't have the time for it.
A manager like Mourinho doesn't do that if he doesn't believe in a player, he doesn't have the time for it.
And then he wanted to sell Blind and the player was sold, He wanted to sell Darmian and he was whored out to all clubs. He wanted to sign so many players and he signed so many of them.
Saying Jose has no say is just one more excuse. Of course he doesnt have 100% say, which is how it should be.
Don't get me wrong, I really used to like the guy, but it's wrong rewarding 5 year contracts to players who down tools after they get a bollocking or some criticism.
Same thing can be said about Jose too. True winner would prove everyone wrong instead of giving excuses.
Martial isnt a Fellaini you struggle to get rid of because of his wages. Plenty of teams will be ready to have him as seen even this summer where we told the likes of Chelsea and Spurs to feck off.
Agree with the last bit, I don't think he fancies playing for Mourinho anymore and that's the only thing that stands out here for me. If he's signing this, he believes Jose wont be here much longer. Tbf, that's hardly an outlandish opinion to have so I'm not shocked.
Whatever people's feelings on Martial being lazy or maybe not as good as people say he is, we would be daft to sell a 22 year old with his potential.
And let's be real, Mourinho probably won't make it past next summer anyway, so it'd be silly to get rid of Martial at his wishes, like it or not, and whether it's against the "manager above players rule", it's just a fact.
And let's be real, Mourinho probably won't make it past next summer anyway, so it'd be silly to get rid of Martial at his wishes, like it or not, and whether it's against the "manager above players rule", it's just a fact.
The true winner wanted the players but Woodward refused. What exactly can he prove with Smalling and Jones? What exactly can he probe with no true winger on the wings.
Cmon mate, we know he isnt first choice under Jose. There's a huge sample space much greater than 1 game under Brighton to draw conclusions from.
Again, I'm not interested in a discussion about whether or not he deserves to start. Mainly because I know he wont anyway because Sanchez is a cert starter. The only thing I want to know is why Man Utd fans are against a quality young player signing a contract extension?
So "winner" Jose can give excuses but "weak mentality" Martial should fight against anything and win his place in the team, doesn't matter if he gets dropped or moved to different position after scoring 3 in 3 games.
We haven't yet. But I didn't say that. I said I can see myself reading 'future threads'. The sort of threads we'd read about Martial and maybe Pogba if we allowed them to leave and do well at other clubs. The club clearly feel that way, too. Which is why they're trying to tie down a very good player (which he still very much is) to the club.
Because he hasn't deserved it and we're rewarding mediocrity (performance wise) and players half assing it with 5 year contracts.
What if a mythical DoF comes in and wants Martial to stay too?
Jose has had a lot of say in who comes and goes, with Martial though we heard from Ryan Giggs how he and the club are big admirers of Martial, so rather than a power move, it could be just they believe in him which is pretty clear in how we bought him at a young age. With so many chanting for a DoF and Jose knowing how other clubs overrule their managers via a DoF or board/scouting system I don't see it being a huge deal as Jose has brought in and sold a lot.
Jose has had a lot of say in who comes and goes, with Martial though we heard from Ryan Giggs how he and the club are big admirers of Martial, so rather than a power move, it could be just they believe in him which is pretty clear in how we bought him at a young age. With so many chanting for a DoF and Jose knowing how other clubs overrule their managers via a DoF or board/scouting system I don't see it being a huge deal as Jose has brought in and sold a lot.
Yeah because the history of the 3 over the last 2 years doesn’t indicate to such a thing at all. You do like to gloss over history.Are we all just believing any old crap the papers write now then?
Only here would you see a contract signing spun into a power struggle