SER19
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Don’t get itMay I recommend the red pill?
Don’t get itMay I recommend the red pill?
She’s brushed aside in two seconds by a guy who very politely tries to deal with him only to be told feck off. If that’s all the fuel this guy needs he should have to walk around wearing a warning signThe lad filming is an absolute twat - but the fuel is all put on the fire by the self appointed rule-maker who intervenes first. She is one of those people reveling in her sense of self importance & through bullsh*tting, hinders rather than helps this situation. Similar to the kind of idiot in a yellow bib in a car park, who causes more harm by their own presence.
When did he legally get authority from the players to film them?Because someone without authority to do so is illegally trying to move him on. He was fine until then.
The lady was just trying to get rid of him as quick as possible.The guy comes across as a bit of an idiot and the players handled it well. I also think the lady telling him that the part of the platform was now private was completely wrong.
They don't have the right to privatize part of the platform like that.
You're not allowed to film in a train station without Network Rail's consent. He's immediately in the wrong - assuming that he doesn't have consent, which is a safe assumption - whether Virgin actually had authority for private use or not and before he even started gobbing off.Yes, the guy is a twat, but he only started becoming aggressive when he was asked to move, at first he was ok IMO.
He is within his rights to stand anywhere in that platform.
Talk about twisting it to make it click bait. 'Fan' my arse.This idiot got what he wanted...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...med-slapping-mans-phone-away-Watford-win.html
The power to declare one part of the station off limits certainly exists. I suppose that comes down to whether a Virgin employee (1) has the right to exercise that power, given the station is owned by Network Rail and the bylaw in question gives that power only to "station staff" and (2) can exercise it only in relation to one person arbitrarily and (3) can exercise it for the purpose of offering a VIP service (privacy) to another passenger and (4) can activate it on the spot.If it wasn't a private platform, then he is within his rights to be there (and Virgin often do have private sections of the platform, and it's difficult to tell if this was the case from that video, but it doesn't really matter anyway), but once he starts being a nuisance - and he was, he sticks the phone right in Fellaini's face, which he swats away, indicating that he is being an unwanted nuisance - the staff have the authority to act....
It depends if Virgin have private area's of platforms (which they do apparently) and if this incident took place in that area. I think she said "this part of the platform is now private" indicating that they weren't in a designated space for 'private' passengers.The lady was just trying to get rid of him as quick as possible.
Do we actually know they don't have the right to privatise the platform though? I'm pretty sure they could, although I don't think they actually did.
No expert by any means but i'm not sure that would apply somewhere like a train station. You can put up signs saying no filming/taking pictures etc and ask someone doing so to leave. But if you have CCTV in operation which the train company almost certainly does then people entering the station can expect no privacy outside of places like toilets anyway. So the guy while acting a twat was probably within his rights to film people.He doesn't actually, the platform is private property owned by network rail, legally in the UK you can film people in a public place like a street, but you can't film on private property without owner's permission. That's why they're able to say it's suddenly a private platform, because network rail own it.
I'm afraid it's pretty well established in law that you can't film on private property without permission, although there are exceptions. Or in royal parks, weirdly. Or outside strategic military buildings, even if you're on public property etc etc. Quite a boring list.No expert by any means but i'm not sure that would apply somewhere like a train station. You can put up signs saying no filming/taking pictures etc and ask someone doing so to leave. But if you have CCTV in operation which the train company almost certainly does then people entering the station can expect no privacy outside of places like toilets anyway. So the guy while acting a twat was probably within his rights to film people.
Let's all switch sides and start again. I have another four hours on this shift.Are we still doing this?
Let's all switch sides and start again. I have another four hours on this shift.
Not only is it faster, cheaper and less likely to have a traffic related issue, the clubs probably also have a carbon footprint target as most big corporations do. Trains are the lesser of all evils when it comes to transport.Is this common practice? I thought teams usually charter jets.
It's cheaper I'd give you that. But how can you claim it's faster , except for a place in the vicinity of Manchester? The team would not go through the usual airport procedure if it is chartering a jet.Not only is it faster, cheaper and less likely to have a traffic related issue, the clubs probably also have a carbon footprint target as most big corporations do. Trains are the lesser of all evils when it comes to transport.
I thought the guy with the red and striped tie was with United's security detail - is he a Virgin (heh) employee?Have seen a few of these types on youtube, insisting that they have the right to film people up close and generally act complete morons.
On another note though, it didn't look like we actually had any security there. Has to be a bit of a risk, having your whole squad going on public transport like that?! Though you presume we did have some sort of privileged access?
Let's all switch sides and start again. I have another four hours on this shift.
I've seen a lot of people who do that with the police to see if they know the law with regards to filming in public. There's an American guy who does all over the U.S. He calls it a First Amendment Audit.Have seen a few of these types on youtube, insisting that they have the right to film people up close and generally act complete morons.
On another note though, it didn't look like we actually had any security there. Has to be a bit of a risk, having your whole squad going on public transport like that?! Though you presume we did have some sort of privileged access?
I watched one youtube guy hanging about outside a police station filming the set up, individuals and vehicles.I've seen a lot of people who do that with the police to see if they know the law with regards to filming in public. There's an American guy who does all over the U.S. He calls it a First Amendment Audit.
I do think it's important that people understand their rights when it comes to the police. Just because they're wearing the uniform it doesn't automatically mean you have to do what they say. Unless you're suspected of committing a crime they don't have any rights over you and what you do.
In this case of course there is an argument to say that the man in question is causing an offence by harassing Fellaini. He's also following the squad around the platform it seems.
Scouser hates police shock. 'I found these BMW wheels guv, honest, I was just taking them home until I found out who they belonged to'.I've seen a lot of people who do that with the police to see if they know the law with regards to filming in public. There's an American guy who does all over the U.S. He calls it a First Amendment Audit.
I do think it's important that people understand their rights when it comes to the police. Just because they're wearing the uniform it doesn't automatically mean you have to do what they say. Unless you're suspected of committing a crime they don't have any rights over you and what you do.
In this case of course there is an argument to say that the man in question is causing an offence by harassing Fellaini. He's also following the squad around the platform it seems.
It becomes an issue though when these security conscious days start to infringe upon our rights. The right to record in public (and to record the police) is important for both officers and members of the public.I watched one youtube guy hanging about outside a police station filming the set up, individuals and vehicles.
You can imagine in these security conscious days how much alarm that caused.
I'm not a scouser. I spent most of my life living about 45 miles outside of London.Scouser hates police shock. 'I found these BMW wheels guv, honest, I was just taking them home until I found out who they belonged to'.
That's a hard question for me to answer as I'm not the sort of knobhead that gets involved in altercations with the police. All my personal experiences have been positive up to now, including the absolute shedloads of times I've witnessed the police in action whilst working and elsewhere. I don't mean I'm a saint, they've caught me fighting, vandalising, driving badly, and being drunk and extremely incapable, but I've always admitted I was wrong and been let off with an educational lecture and a warning. A lot of people have difficulty admitting they're wrong though, which I think is the root of many problems.I'm not a scouser. I spent most of my life living about 45 miles outside of London.
I don't hate the police either but it's important for people to know their rights. If you'd been involved in some sort of altercation with an officer wouldn't you prefer that there be some video evidence to clarify exactly what happened?
See I've never really had any involvement with the police myself. I see a bit of a mix on social media of people intentionally winding them up, and then other cases when it's the officer(s) who's out of line.That's a hard question for me to answer as I'm not the sort of knobhead that gets involved in altercations with the police. All my personal experiences have been positive up to now, including the absolute shedloads of times I've witnessed the police in action whilst working and elsewhere. I don't mean I'm a saint, they've caught me fighting, vandalising, driving badly, and being drunk and extremely incapable, but I've always admitted I was wrong and been let off with an educational lecture and a warning. A lot of people have difficulty admitting they're wrong though, which I think is the root of many problems.
But my life may have been atypical, how's it been for you?
There's a big difference in what you're saying though, and people intentionally going out to aggravate police and others.I'm not a scouser. I spent most of my life living about 45 miles outside of London.
I don't hate the police either but it's important for people to know their rights. If you'd been involved in some sort of altercation with an officer wouldn't you prefer that there be some video evidence to clarify exactly what happened?
True but I wouldn't class filming the police in public as intentionally aggravating them (unless you're shoving it in their face, following them around and generally harassing them). Filming the police certainly isn't illegal if you're in public.There's a big difference in what you're saying though, and people intentionally going out to aggravate police and others.
How dare you. I'd not be seen dead anywhere near Watford.was probably @duffer
I reckon it's much faster and convenient, the nearest airport is either Heathrow/Luton. It will take longer to get out of the ground after the match considering traffic. Then you have the process of check in and security. Flight from London to Manchester is 1 hr. Then getting off the plane and out the airport will take up a little time.It's cheaper I'd give you that. But how can you claim it's faster , except for a place in the vicinity of Manchester? The team would not go through the usual airport procedure if it is chartering a jet.
Watford Junction Station is near to Vicarage Rd so they get a 10min coach to the station and get on a train back to Manchester. I've done London to Manchester on the coach plenty times and it isn't pleasant. Coaches are slow as feck.Why are they taking a public train anyways, can't they get a more relaxing trip back after a game in a private coach?