Don’t get itMay I recommend the red pill?
She’s brushed aside in two seconds by a guy who very politely tries to deal with him only to be told feck off. If that’s all the fuel this guy needs he should have to walk around wearing a warning sign
When did he legally get authority from the players to film them?
Guy is a total, utter moron.
Talks about 'they're no better than anybody' .. ok, yeah so just like anybody maybe they just want to stand on a platform with a bit of privacy? Maybe they don't want some arsehat sticking a camera right in their faces and randomly starting to call them skint?
I'm pretty sure if I waltzed up to this guy at a platform, stuck my phone in his face on record and started going 'Haha getting the train mate? So skint' he wouldn't react well. I dunno what it is about people being famous sportsmen, actors etc etc that makes other people think it's ok to treat them like animals at a zoo when they see them in person. They're just trying to catch a fecking train.
Talks about 'they're no better than anybody' .. ok, yeah so just like anybody maybe they just want to stand on a platform with a bit of privacy? Maybe they don't want some arsehat sticking a camera right in their faces and randomly starting to call them skint?
I'm pretty sure if I waltzed up to this guy at a platform, stuck my phone in his face on record and started going 'Haha getting the train mate? So skint' he wouldn't react well. I dunno what it is about people being famous sportsmen, actors etc etc that makes other people think it's ok to treat them like animals at a zoo when they see them in person. They're just trying to catch a fecking train.
The lady was just trying to get rid of him as quick as possible.
Do we actually know they don't have the right to privatise the platform though? I'm pretty sure they could, although I don't think they actually did.
You're not allowed to film in a train station without Network Rail's consent. He's immediately in the wrong - assuming that he doesn't have consent, which is a safe assumption - whether Virgin actually had authority for private use or not and before he even started gobbing off.
Railway Bylaws (someone posted the link on the last page) outline that Rail Operators are required to put the safety of their passengers first by Network Rail. To me, this indicates that they have authority to act on situations like this and can move people on that they deem to possibly be a disturbance or a threat, as they are the most prominent staff on the platforms, as opposed to Network Rail or the BTP. They can't be expected to protect their customers and staff without having any remit to disperse potential threatening behavior.
If it wasn't a private platform, then he is within his rights to be there (and Virgin often do have private sections of the platform, and it's difficult to tell if this was the case from that video, but it doesn't really matter anyway), but once he starts being a nuisance - and he was, he sticks the phone right in Fellaini's face, which he swats away, indicating that he is being an unwanted nuisance - the staff have the authority to act accordingly to protect their customer, so the Bylaws seem to illustrate. If he was drunk, which wouldn't be surprising as he sounds like he probably was, then that's another reason to be cautious of him.
And he immediately became volatile as soon as he was spoken to in a reasonable manner, so they were right to be cautious of him. A reasonable person just doesn't react that way.
This idiot got what he wanted...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...med-slapping-mans-phone-away-Watford-win.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...med-slapping-mans-phone-away-Watford-win.html
Talk about twisting it to make it click bait. 'Fan' my arse.A lot of those comments are infuriatingly dumb as well.
The power to declare one part of the station off limits certainly exists. I suppose that comes down to whether a Virgin employee (1) has the right to exercise that power, given the station is owned by Network Rail and the bylaw in question gives that power only to "station staff" and (2) can exercise it only in relation to one person arbitrarily and (3) can exercise it for the purpose of offering a VIP service (privacy) to another passenger and (4) can activate it on the spot.
If the answer to all four is yes, then they were within their rights.
Absolute twat and sure he was looking for a bit of agro from the players. But it's pretty irresponsible from the club though to put the players in a situation where they can be harassed by the public though.
It depends if Virgin have private area's of platforms (which they do apparently) and if this incident took place in that area. I think she said "this part of the platform is now private" indicating that they weren't in a designated space for 'private' passengers.
Him sticking the camera in Fellaini's face causing the latter to swat it away is where I think the guy crossed the line. I don't like that the lady tried to force him to a different part of the platform because in this instance I don't think she was within her rights to do that, but he didn't need to stick the camera in the face of the players like that.
No expert by any means but i'm not sure that would apply somewhere like a train station. You can put up signs saying no filming/taking pictures etc and ask someone doing so to leave. But if you have CCTV in operation which the train company almost certainly does then people entering the station can expect no privacy outside of places like toilets anyway. So the guy while acting a twat was probably within his rights to film people.
I'm afraid it's pretty well established in law that you can't film on private property without permission, although there are exceptions. Or in royal parks, weirdly. Or outside strategic military buildings, even if you're on public property etc etc. Quite a boring list.
An attention seeking idiot tries to wind up professional footballers and this makes the Daily Mail, Jesus Christ.
He's obviously star struck and trying to get his 2mins of fame to tell his mates at the pub.
Watford Junction to Manchester Piccadilly is approx 2hrs via Virgin Trains. A private Jet would probably take longer and more inconvenience so he's obviously behaving like a bit of a prick when he's approaching the team and being annoying.
A couple posts baffle me here, expecting players to move this guy on as if it won't make things worse.
At the same time if the club can't be bothered to have a couple police officers at the platform with them to move any idiots on then they kinda got themselves to blame. There's nothing private about a train platform.
He's obviously star struck and trying to get his 2mins of fame to tell his mates at the pub.
Watford Junction to Manchester Piccadilly is approx 2hrs via Virgin Trains. A private Jet would probably take longer and more inconvenience so he's obviously behaving like a bit of a prick when he's approaching the team and being annoying.
A couple posts baffle me here, expecting players to move this guy on as if it won't make things worse.
At the same time if the club can't be bothered to have a couple police officers at the platform with them to move any idiots on then they kinda got themselves to blame. There's nothing private about a train platform.
Network Rail's official policy (as of 2013, at least) is as follows:
We do not actively prohibit any photography or filming at our managed stations for personal use, providing it is done safely and securely. With that in mind we would ask you to follow the guidelines available at http://archive.nr.co.uk/aspx/777.aspx#photography You are not allowed to take photographs of security related equipment, such as CCTV cameras and permission would be needed to photograph any staff employed at the station.
With regards to filming, if you are planning to film for a period of time (even for personal use) we ask that you sign in at the Network Rail Reception Desk. This is to help keep station staff informed so that they can go about their duties without concern as to your reason for being there. Given that most mobile phones now have a filming and photography facility we do exercise some discretion around customers’ ad hoc filming and photography, as clearly it would be unreasonable and impractical to require this in those circumstances.
We do reserve the right to challenge and ascertain the purpose of anyone’s visit and you may very occasionally be asked by station staff to move to another part of the station, such as from platforms or busy areas. If this is the case station staff should be happy to explain why this is necessary.
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The guy was a prat. However the above should clear up any confusion.
We do not actively prohibit any photography or filming at our managed stations for personal use, providing it is done safely and securely. With that in mind we would ask you to follow the guidelines available at http://archive.nr.co.uk/aspx/777.aspx#photography You are not allowed to take photographs of security related equipment, such as CCTV cameras and permission would be needed to photograph any staff employed at the station.
With regards to filming, if you are planning to film for a period of time (even for personal use) we ask that you sign in at the Network Rail Reception Desk. This is to help keep station staff informed so that they can go about their duties without concern as to your reason for being there. Given that most mobile phones now have a filming and photography facility we do exercise some discretion around customers’ ad hoc filming and photography, as clearly it would be unreasonable and impractical to require this in those circumstances.
We do reserve the right to challenge and ascertain the purpose of anyone’s visit and you may very occasionally be asked by station staff to move to another part of the station, such as from platforms or busy areas. If this is the case station staff should be happy to explain why this is necessary.
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The guy was a prat. However the above should clear up any confusion.
Feck his rights, he was being a bellend.
Are we still doing this? 
Let's all switch sides and start again. I have another four hours on this shift.Are we still doing this?
Not only is it faster, cheaper and less likely to have a traffic related issue, the clubs probably also have a carbon footprint target as most big corporations do. Trains are the lesser of all evils when it comes to transport.
It's cheaper I'd give you that. But how can you claim it's faster , except for a place in the vicinity of Manchester? The team would not go through the usual airport procedure if it is chartering a jet.
Have seen a few of these types on youtube, insisting that they have the right to film people up close and generally act complete morons.
On another note though, it didn't look like we actually had any security there. Has to be a bit of a risk, having your whole squad going on public transport like that?! Though you presume we did have some sort of privileged access?
On another note though, it didn't look like we actually had any security there. Has to be a bit of a risk, having your whole squad going on public transport like that?! Though you presume we did have some sort of privileged access?
I thought the guy with the red and striped tie was with United's security detail - is he a Virgin (heh) employee?
We could go 'Does this country need a privacy law?', but maybe it would be better in Current Events.
Would have been aggressively arrested here, talking that shit to cops and all.
Football teams use Virgin trains every weekend, fecking idiot
I've seen a lot of people who do that with the police to see if they know the law with regards to filming in public. There's an American guy who does all over the U.S. He calls it a First Amendment Audit.
I do think it's important that people understand their rights when it comes to the police. Just because they're wearing the uniform it doesn't automatically mean you have to do what they say. Unless you're suspected of committing a crime they don't have any rights over you and what you do.
In this case of course there is an argument to say that the man in question is causing an offence by harassing Fellaini. He's also following the squad around the platform it seems.
I watched one youtube guy hanging about outside a police station filming the set up, individuals and vehicles.
You can imagine in these security conscious days how much alarm that caused.
Why are they taking a public train anyways, can't they get a more relaxing trip back after a game in a private coach?
Scouser hates police shock. 'I found these BMW wheels guv, honest, I was just taking them home until I found out who they belonged to'.
It becomes an issue though when these security conscious days start to infringe upon our rights. The right to record in public (and to record the police) is important for both officers and members of the public.
Quite a few officers carry body cams now which helps.
I'm not a scouser. I spent most of my life living about 45 miles outside of London.
I don't hate the police either but it's important for people to know their rights. If you'd been involved in some sort of altercation with an officer wouldn't you prefer that there be some video evidence to clarify exactly what happened?
That's a hard question for me to answer as I'm not the sort of knobhead that gets involved in altercations with the police. All my personal experiences have been positive up to now, including the absolute shedloads of times I've witnessed the police in action whilst working and elsewhere. I don't mean I'm a saint, they've caught me fighting, vandalising, driving badly, and being drunk and extremely incapable, but I've always admitted I was wrong and been let off with an educational lecture and a warning. A lot of people have difficulty admitting they're wrong though, which I think is the root of many problems.
But my life may have been atypical, how's it been for you?
The women went about the situation all wrong. There's a million and one ways to respond to an antagonist without going straight for the 'you're not allowed here' approach. It gets their back up instantly.
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See I've never really had any involvement with the police myself. I see a bit of a mix on social media of people intentionally winding them up, and then other cases when it's the officer(s) who's out of line.
I'm torn on it because it angers me when I see (more so in the States) police abusing their position, but at the same time they have a very difficult job that requires very delicately handling situations to maintain control. I don't think the police in the UK have the necessary funding to do their job properly (leading to moped gangs in some of the major cities for example) so I'm a bit more sympathetic towards them than I am towards PO's in the states with their shoot first, ask questions later policy.
I do value rights and freedoms that we enjoy though and I believe that some police officers believe that they can step on some of those freedoms because of the career they chose. There's good ones and bad ones I guess, just like there's good people and bad people.
The world wouldn't work without them.
There's a big difference in what you're saying though, and people intentionally going out to aggravate police and others.
The club should hire some professional wums or knobheads like this guy to counter strike said knobheads. Imagine a normal looking bloke working for the club getting his phone out and filming guys like in the video, basically doing the same to them.
It might put them off or make them realise how annoying it is.
It might put them off or make them realise how annoying it is.
True but I wouldn't class filming the police in public as intentionally aggravating them (unless you're shoving it in their face, following them around and generally harassing them). Filming the police certainly isn't illegal if you're in public.
How dare you. I'd not be seen dead anywhere near Watford.
I reckon it's much faster and convenient, the nearest airport is either Heathrow/Luton. It will take longer to get out of the ground after the match considering traffic. Then you have the process of check in and security. Flight from London to Manchester is 1 hr. Then getting off the plane and out the airport will take up a little time.
Watford Junction Station is near to Vicarage Rd so they get a 10min coach to the station and get on a train back to Manchester. I've done London to Manchester on the coach plenty times and it isn't pleasant. Coaches are slow as feck.