He didn't sell Salah. Not sure what you're on about re. Hazard. One person making a sign shouldn't correlate with him. He never name dropped him to my knowledge or singled him out quite like say Conte would with Costa.
Mourinho or Pogba?
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Jose sold Salah, he was their manager when they loaned him to Roma with option to buy. He also said Salah was surplus as they had better wingers at that time.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....-the-egyptian-wasnt-mentally-ready-at-chelsea
Going by this it's hard to blame Jose for much here.
Such a nothing point to hold him against.
Thats what he said now, check his interview when he was loaned out. One more example of Jose not taking responsibility.
https://news.sky.com/story/pedro-ruled-out-as-possible-chelsea-signing-10352010
What did he say when he was loaned out? That he was not mentally ready and it was right to loan him? If so he says that again in this interview and he probably wasn't wrong.
It's very much clear that it was nothing to do with mentality. He had other wingers and Jose said it's better not to have Salah back.
That's fair enough. Still wouldn't beat him with a stick because he said he would sell Salah for a good price 3 years before he became good.
None. Both are damaging the image of the club. Get rid of the pair of them as it's toxic already.
It's not that Salah became good only last year. He was very good in Serie A for Fiorentina before he was loaned out to Roma.
Edit: Anyways this has been done for year. Few hold against him, few don't.
I've got to concur with Fergie on this one.found it in reddit and quite apt for the current situation
Please instead of dodging the question answer it.
Which of our players except for long are has shown a clear and consistent increase in their performances higher than where they were previously. If the answer is no one then the likely reason we finished high than previously is because we spent over 300 million pounds. Not due to any form of coaching
Someone tell me why we should get rid of Pogba??
Just as a non United fan's POV, take it or leave it, I think Pogba is the one who needs to go.
He's an absolute idiot. There is a circus around him. I would honestly hate it if he was a Spurs player doing what he is doing. He undermines the club with his actions. He couldn't care less about United, it's all about Pogba The guy just wants to go big move to big move to keep cashing those cheques with his greedy agent. The player has never turned up consistently for you at all. He's a highlights, MOTD player.
Does anyone seriously think after 2 years of rank inconsistency and failing to turn up, that you will suddenly change manager and all of a sudden Pogba becomes the player you all dreamed he would be?!
Yes, Mourinho isn't doing great and it may be best to move him on at the end of the season etc, but once you start ceding to player power in Pogba, what happens if the next manager doesn't get along with him? The manager must always be the one who is backed, otherwise authority is completely lost.
Pogba frankly isn't worth the hassle. He isn't a player any rival fans are jealous doesn't play for them, and that should tell you all you need to know. Especially as a Spurs fan where at the moment our CM is our weakest area. Talented player on his day, but those days are rare. It's just ridiculous to see talented players get away with it by saying "the manager doesn't get the best out of him".
He's an absolute idiot. There is a circus around him. I would honestly hate it if he was a Spurs player doing what he is doing. He undermines the club with his actions. He couldn't care less about United, it's all about Pogba The guy just wants to go big move to big move to keep cashing those cheques with his greedy agent. The player has never turned up consistently for you at all. He's a highlights, MOTD player.
Does anyone seriously think after 2 years of rank inconsistency and failing to turn up, that you will suddenly change manager and all of a sudden Pogba becomes the player you all dreamed he would be?!
Yes, Mourinho isn't doing great and it may be best to move him on at the end of the season etc, but once you start ceding to player power in Pogba, what happens if the next manager doesn't get along with him? The manager must always be the one who is backed, otherwise authority is completely lost.
Pogba frankly isn't worth the hassle. He isn't a player any rival fans are jealous doesn't play for them, and that should tell you all you need to know. Especially as a Spurs fan where at the moment our CM is our weakest area. Talented player on his day, but those days are rare. It's just ridiculous to see talented players get away with it by saying "the manager doesn't get the best out of him".
Amazing how people can't see this. Thank you for the post.
Tell that to Real Madrid fans and see whether they are happy that board backed the players over manager.
Just backing manager for the sake of it is also wrong. If we are talking about SAF, then yes. It's SAF over anyone, not others like Jose whose life span at one club isn't that great.
Looking like both of the currently. If we can get £150m+ for Pogba I'd let him go. Disappointing as I was delighted when he came back.
There's a difference between Ronaldo/Messi and Paul fecking Pogba.
There's also a difference between how United is run and how Madrid/Chelsea are run.
Also, didn't Madrid move Casillas quickly after sacking Mourinho?
It is only some hurt feelings I guess. It is clear that the senior players start to stand up against that shit and Pogba is one of those players, especially after Jose is treating him poorly
We also reached ucl final a season after selling CR7 of all people.
The millennial's want player power,lets be honest.
Well we are not talking about Ronaldo and Messi. There was article posted here, check how many players were against Jose at Madrid.
Yes, we are not run like Madrid and Chelsea, that's the problem. Cost of replacing players is huge than replacing manager. About time we move on from Manager is the ultimate boss and should be allowed to do anything he wants. 1 person shouldn't have that much control, especially when it's not someone like SAF or Wenger who were at club for years.
We cannot let the message go that our players can have more power than managers. We should let Pogba go and make and reinvest the money.
As other have posted, I also think that having a DoF and a Football Department is crucial! The manager cannot be responsible for hiring players because the club needs continuity.
The best example I've seen on it was Porto a few years ago. Their football department was fantastic, and the manager had no say at transfer policy.
Come on man, we're not a midtable team without him.
We sold Cantona and won the treble 2 years later.
Sold Ruud and won 3 leagues in a row.
Sold Ronaldo (and replaced with Valencia and Obertan) and reached 2 CL finals in 3 years.
I just read that story on daily mail on what Jose is supposed to have said to Pogba, towards the end apparently the club think he’s a bad influence on young players like Pereira who comes to training in a white Bentley. They have gone and picked on Pereira coz he was on Instagram video Pogba posted, Jesse Lingard drives a Bentley that’s been modified and other SUVs and so does Rashford but none of them are mentioned on why they drive expensive cars. I personally don’t mind what players spend their wages on.
You're talking about SAF era, the man who can make player give 120% of their abilites, this United side without Pogba and with Mourinho as the manager will finish outside top 6 for sure
That's a bit of an exaggeration, no?
You're also assuming we're not going to replace him with someone that actually sticks to the manager's gameplan.
If we sack Mourinho it won't be because Paul Pogba doesn't like him. It will be because of our poor results. Amazed that all the people complaining about 'player power' think otherwise.
End of discussion for mefound it in reddit and quite apt for the current situation
Is the manager's game plan to defend 1-0 lead to Wolves at home after getting outplayed? If so, then maybe he shouldn't have bought Pogba in the first place
Even though I believe that Mourinho is done at top level and I never wanted him here in the first place, there's no arguing those words. You can't have two forces pulling in opposite directions and still gain momentum.found it in reddit and quite apt for the current situation
And the manager should be the one deciding tactics and mentality, he is the one who bought players for a certain system and type of play.
We can't have player undermining him while he's still here, no matter how much I dislike Mourinho.
As much as I'd really enjoy United doing so, I must say Mourinho is not worth losing your best players over.
Thank God our board wised up just in time to keep Hazard in Chelsea blue after debruyne and salah.
Anyone with eyes knew Debruyne was a star in the making, but good old Jose told us he wasn't hard working enough in training. Yes because he wasn't bamboozling and elbowing everyone in midfield.
Don't make the same mistakes guys.
Thank God our board wised up just in time to keep Hazard in Chelsea blue after debruyne and salah.
Anyone with eyes knew Debruyne was a star in the making, but good old Jose told us he wasn't hard working enough in training. Yes because he wasn't bamboozling and elbowing everyone in midfield.
Don't make the same mistakes guys.
It's not a case of one or the other. Both need to go.
- Pogba because under no circumstances should a player be publicly undermining the manager or the club (whether it be Mourinho or whoever else). It would just lead to a free-for-all where any player thinks they're free to do as they please.
- Mourinho because the football is just not any good, and after 3 years I am doubtful that it will improve (although I hope I'm wrong).
I tend to disagree with this tbh. I don't think Pogba in this case should have done it, but I don't agree that players should always back their manager.
At a top club top players should demand the best, if the manager clearly isn't doing a good job, and internally doens't listen, I have no issue with top players calling them out.
Just like I have no issue with a manager calling out underperforming players.
At a top club, winners should demand winners, if the manager isn't up to scratch they shouldn't stay quiet and toe the line.
Its an unpopular opinion but its one I share, I think we were fortunate to have a great manager for a long time so we can view things idealistically.
If a player really cares about the clubs fortunes and success they wouldn't sit around whilst a manager is clearly taking the club in the wrong direction.
Couldn't agree with this more. It's not a case of one or the other for me. I don't think anything will happen before the end of the season but by then I'd like to see both go and a fresh start had. Although I agree with some of what both are saying, I don't think we'll move forward as a club with either of them still here. I don't think Pogba wants to be here any more and I think he can be replaced fairly easily and I think management mind we need a new direction.
Honestly it's as if you are relating everything that is actually mourinho related onto pogba.
The reason why we have a circus around us isn't due to pogba it's due to Jose. He is the one who has slagged off the fans, the club and the players in public openly over the last year. He is the one that choose to play negative football. He is the one who constantly puts the blame on anyone else but himself. He is the one who puts out sneaky leaks to the press for power plays. He is the one who can't get the team to have any semblance of structure and finally he is the one fall g out with different players. Pogba is just the biggest one so will always get the most publicity.
Mourinho has shown to be a circus at his last two clubs, pogba has only shown that for a couple months at one club everywhere else he has been perfectly fine. It doesn't take a brain scientist to see the correlation. It's not pogba that's for sure.
Yeah like the rest of the squad who carry out Jose's plans perfectly.............
That's why it's a joke to even begin to blame pogba for anything. The rest of the team looks an absolute joke and when he isn't there they look like even more of a joke
Pogba can go I have no problem with that as he isn´t even close to be worth the hassle.
But he should take Jose with him to Barca.
But he should take Jose with him to Barca.
I prefer Pogba leaving.
Get rid of both. Pogba's ego is out of control and Mourinho's football is dire.