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decorativeed said:
Very true. And of those that are, the small percentage that result in a conviction can end up like this: https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/10325560

Anyone with empathy can understand why someone who has just been put through an ordeal like that, once they have gotten over the shock and denial stage, might think that they had been put through enough already.
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You don't even need to have empathy. Just the ability to read about the thousands upon thousands of widely publicised cases where this has been the case.
 

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Dumat12 said:
I call bullshit on that. Imagine you were raped, your emotions, adrenaline all running high from it. Your pain is sharp. You will go as earliest as possible and tell your story, if it is in fact true. If it's not, you'll wait 36 years later, when you've basically have forgotten this whole thing, or at least the details about it, and tell your story to the entire world.
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Are you for fecking real? Go and read about reported sex crimes v unreported. Try to show empathy and understanding for the victims who are often parylised with fear, guilt, shame. Some think it's their fault. Some are too afraid to say anything in case they get accused of making it up or using it as an excuse for cheating. Some are petrified of reliving the ordeal and want to pretend it never happened. Many don't want to have to go over the ordeal in public or to strangers in a police station or court on the chance they are called a liar or they end up feeling like they were assaulted all over again. There are countless reasons and you with your disgusting and heartless statement not only show you haven't the intelligence, compassion or empathy to think of those reasons, but also prove many victims right in their way of thinking because someone like you could be the officer they speak to or the judge in court or on the jury.

Seriously you have absolutely no fecking clue what you are talking about and are just coming out with some of the most thoughtless, nasty and uneducated comments I have seen on this forum.
 

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kidbob said:
So your saying that you believe he has shown himself to be untrustworthy? Seems then that there should be no need for a delay and he should simply be considered unfit for a position of this sort.
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Apparently lying is a good thing to do if you think telling the truth will make you look bad.
 

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Red Defence said:
Well they won’t be able to “remember” it will they. Otherwise they would be dragged through it to for being complicit etc.
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If they were to be questioned by the FBI, Kavanaugh would lose his "the witnesses have provided sworn statements saying they don't remember the party" defense. Because if questioned by the FBI, I'm sure all of them would definitely say that it's possible that the party/gathering happened, they just can't remember that specific one, as there were many get-togethers like it. And who knows, maybe Judge would break down and admit to it. He's already gone into hiding, so it's obvious that he wants to get as far away as possible from it all.
 

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Wow.....discussions to delay the vote for a week pending an FBI investigation. Massive news if true.
 

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Reports they might delay a week for a "short" FBI investigation
 

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Carolina Red said:
Duh....
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PTSD has nothing to do with this. PTSD in veterans is from combat, not from a specific person.

Damien said:
And Devil's Triangle being a drinking game and him saying he was a virgin until 20... you believe all that? And if not, why lie?
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I have no clue about Devil's Triangle, can't say that I've played it. As for him being a virgin until 20, obviously not. But in his situation it's understandable why he may lie as, again, saying those things would put him in a bad spot.

Ekkie Thump said:
There is little point engaging with an ideologue like you but just as one large example: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/us/catholic-church-sex-abuse-pennsylvania.html
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Children no older than 18 months. She was fecking 16, for Christ sake. Practically a grown woman. How can you compare the two?

Carolina Red said:
I’m calling bullshit on that.

You’ve no clue what you would do.
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You may call bullshit however many times you like. I certainly won't keep quiet about it.

Zarlak said:
I refuse to believe you're this ignorant, and unable to understand simple sense so I'm willing to bet that if Clinton had won the election, and if this was a Democratic senator up for the Supreme Court you'd just be posting reasonably that anyone accused of sexual assault should be investigated and not blindly cast it aside just so that you can have your person in power. You mention that the opposite side has their own agenda and will never listen to you, at least have the goddamn common courtesy to realise that you're no different, be a man and own it. You might not like what it says about you, but at least stand by your convictions instead of talking bollocks trying to cover it up as something else.
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I don't have an agenda. I may be to the right, but I care nothing for the Republicans or Democrats. I see a liar accusing an innocent man and I say it. Whether Kavanaugh was a Republican or a Democrat doesn't matter. I would have said the same things either way.

Or answer me this, if this is true, and if he tried to rape her, and she didn't report it - in your mind is it her fault and she has to stay silent and live with it forever? Her time has passed? Tough shit, you missed out? Yes or no, no bullshit trying to worm your way out of it, yes or no. If the answer is yes, then wow. At least say so so we know where you really stand, if no then I don't really see what course of argument you have because timing is irrelevant. The important thing is whether it's true or not. Any question about timing is just as much Republicans turning this into a political weapon as Democrats who may have used it politically themselves. What people like you are missing is that that's semantics, the important thing is whether or not it happened.
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Oh, using typical lawyer strategies. Nice. Anyway, yes. Let's give this scenario: If a person flies goes in Saudi Arabia and tells that Muhammad is a pedophile, he'd get beaten to death. He knew what was going to happen and he did it anyway. The situation is a little different, but still the same. 30+ years to come out with getting raped in a ridiculous showing? Nah.

Halftrack said:
Neither has Kavanaugh, all he has are people saying they don't remember such a get-together. Which isn't all that strange, seeing as how it would have just been any other lazy night for all but three of them, and two of would of course deny it, true or not. She started trying to get in touch with her representatives long before he was nominated, when he was just one of several names on a shortlist. She only came forward when it was clear that all the press had found out about it.

In a just society, you'd be less of a disgusting sack of shit. And I'll gladly take a warning for saying that.
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Oh, but she, the intoxicated and drugged, barely able to stand somehow remembers the event? Okay. Oh, she started being in touch with her representatives and when Kavanaugh came up, she immediately sprang into action? Very convenient. It's almost like all of this has been planned.

Zarlak said:
Absolute rubbish, you clearly know nothing about sexual assault. Do any kind of research on the topic and you will see how incredibly wrong you are.
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And I assume you're some kind of an expert in sexual assault?

Mr H said:
How the hell would you know, you don't know the trauma people that have been assaulted suffered. You are in no position to judge how someone that has been assaulted sexually should react. Are you calling bullshit on kids and teenagers that are coming out tens of years after about the sexual assaults they suffered?
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Ugh, she wasn't a kid. She was almost a full on adult.

Moreover, you believe someone that has lied multiple times over someone that has not a single time in her testimony. I would I agree if you said that nothing can be decided from the two hearings, but saying that she's lying while believe Kavanaugh is definitly an agenda driven statement.
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I believe someone who has lied "mu;ltiple" times in his testimony about benign things over someone who has lied about practically everything.

langster said:
Are you for fecking real? Go and read about reported sex crimes v unreported. Try to show empathy and understanding for the victims who are often parylised with fear, guilt, shame. Some think it's their fault. Some are too afraid to say anything in case they get accused of making it up or using it as an excuse for cheating. Some are petrified of reliving the ordeal and want to pretend it never happened. Many don't want to have to go over the ordeal in public or to strangers in a police station or court on the chance they are called a liar or they end up feeling like they were assaulted all over again. There are countless reasons and you with your disgusting and heartless statement not only show you haven't the intelligence, compassion or empathy to think of those reasons, but also prove many victims right in their way of thinking because someone like you could be the officer they speak to or the judge in court or on the jury.

Seriously you have absolutely no fecking clue what you are talking about and are just coming out with some of the most thoughtless, nasty and uneducated comments I have seen on this forum.
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I show empathy to real victims, not those who lie. Her supposed sexual assault is reported, it's not "unreported"

As for the rest of your post, you've described just how illogical your reasoning is yourself. She wants to pretend it never happened but somehow speaks 36 years later about it to her husband? She doesn't want to go over the ordeal, but she does anyway in the most grandiose way possible? She doesn't want to go to court, but gives her testimony? Okay, okay. You've totally convinced me with your innane ramblings
 

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Part of me wants the GOP to ram this through. I don't know if anyone else feels like that?
 

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so an FBI investigation which will last a week.

seems the most obvious thing to do.
 

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Raoul said:
Flake wants a one week delay
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That's crazy! I really, really didn't expect this to happen.

Dumat12 said:
I call bullshit on that. Imagine you were raped, your emotions, adrenaline all running high from it. Your pain is sharp. You will go as earliest as possible and tell your story, if it is in fact true. If it's not, you'll wait 36 years later, when you've basically have forgotten this whole thing, or at least the details about it, and tell your story to the entire world.
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This is possibly the most ignorant horseshit I've read in the CE. Other people have been banned for wumming, but you should honestly be banned for your astonishing levels of wilful ignorance.

You're an awful person.
 

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Dumat12 said:
PTSD has nothing to do with this. PTSD in veterans is from combat, not from a specific person.


I have no clue about Devil's Triangle, can't say that I've played it. As for him being a virgin until 20, obviously not. But in his situation it's understandable why he may lie as, again, saying those things would put him in a bad spot.


Children no older than 18 months. She was fecking 16, for Christ sake. Practically a grown woman. How can you compare the two?


You may call bullshit however many times you like. I certainly won't keep quiet about it.


I don't have an agenda. I may be to the right, but I care nothing for the Republicans or Democrats. I see a liar accusing an innocent man and I say it. Whether Kavanaugh was a Republican or a Democrat doesn't matter. I would have said the same things either way.


Oh, using typical lawyer strategies. Nice. Anyway, yes. Let's give this scenario: If a person flies goes in Saudi Arabia and tells that Muhammad is a pedophile, he'd get beaten to death. He knew what was going to happen and he did it anyway. The situation is a little different, but still the same. 30+ years to come out with getting raped in a ridiculous showing? Nah.


Oh, but she, the intoxicated and drugged, barely able to stand somehow remembers the event? Okay. Oh, she started being in touch with her representatives and when Kavanaugh came up, she immediately sprang into action? Very convenient. It's almost like all of this has been planned.


And I assume you're some kind of an expert in sexual assault?


Ugh, she wasn't a kid. She was almost a full on adult.


I believe someone who has lied "mu;ltiple" times in his testimony about benign things over someone who has lied about practically everything.



I show empathy to real victims, not those who lie. Her supposed sexual assault is reported, it's not "unreported"

As for the rest of your post, you've described just how illogical your reasoning is yourself. She wants to pretend it never happened but somehow speaks 36 years later about it to her husband? She doesn't want to go over the ordeal, but she does anyway in the most grandiose way possible? She doesn't want to go to court, but gives her testimony? Okay, okay. You've totally convinced me with your innane ramblings
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You seem nice.
 

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Dumat12 said:
I show empathy to real victims, not those who lie. Her supposed sexual assault is reported, it's not "unreported"

As for the rest of your post, you've described just how illogical your reasoning is yourself. She wants to pretend it never happened but somehow speaks 36 years later about it to her husband? She doesn't want to go over the ordeal, but she does anyway in the most grandiose way possible? She doesn't want to go to court, but gives her testimony? Okay, okay. You've totally convinced me with your innane ramblings
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Nothing inane about truth. Your post just proves you haven't the intelligence or compassion to understand any of this.
 
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