If he’s good enough for Bayern he’s probably good enough for us. We need something new and fresh anyway.
Our options are limited, who next?
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Marcelo Gallardo River Plate manager, ex Monaco player
Leonardo Jardim, His Monaco team were great to watch until they sold every one.
Eddie Howe and Mauricio Pochettino outside choices.
The role of director of football, I'd like it to be given to an ex-United player who knows the standards of what United fans expect.
Leonardo Jardim, His Monaco team were great to watch until they sold every one.
Eddie Howe and Mauricio Pochettino outside choices.
The role of director of football, I'd like it to be given to an ex-United player who knows the standards of what United fans expect.
As the club is not particularly transparent regarding how a manager is appointed, we can't know and it is mere speculation on my behalf.
And i am not saying that the only thing that affects the process of hiring a new manager is how marketable they are, but looking at the people responsible for hiring a new manager...
Moyes was SAF.
LVG was "hype/increased reputation due to dutch WC success".
Mourinho was the most famous manager available, and the appointment certainly made sense commercially.
Difficult to define/quantify if a manager is a better candidate compared to others, unless one can apply hindsight.
And why not?
Which players have downed tool may i ask? The most certain looks like Jose's favourite Matic to me.
Get a DOF first and then an attacking manager. How is Jardim doing these days? His ultra attacking Monaco team of 2016/17 was a joy to watch averaging 3 goals a game. I want to see some goals and entertainment back at OT again.
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This absolutely has to happen. People keep throwing fancy Italian and Spanish names around but we need someone who knows exactly what this club is about and the pressures the players are gonna face on a day to day basis. Actually Van der Sar would be perfect but I don't think there's any way he's leaving Ajax.
A lot of people are concerned that we're sacking Jose and getting a new manager mid season.
It's better to get a new manager mid season, at least he'll have the team better prepared in terms of knowing the players, new transfers for winter/summer, next summer preparation and next season.
I think it's better this way than to "give it to Carra" until the end of the season.
Hello all btw
It's better to get a new manager mid season, at least he'll have the team better prepared in terms of knowing the players, new transfers for winter/summer, next summer preparation and next season.
I think it's better this way than to "give it to Carra" until the end of the season.
Hello all btw
It’ll be Giggs/Carrick until the end of the season. Will be more attacking, little to lose, difficult for fan groups to object too loudly and won’t demand funds in January. Gives the Board seven months to find a successor and who knows, they might even be a success. The bottom line is, there isn’t an obvious person to turn to and given the record of our player scouting recently, I very much doubt the club has an ace up its sleeve.
Jardim would be my pick - tactically astute and would be happy to work with what he's got. Also has a good history of developing young players from his time at Sporting and obviously at Monaco. Would also lend himself well to working with a Sporting Director, and can equally play attacking and defensively when required.
I would give it Carrick till end of season and then plan. Work on the DOF on more priority.
Again, I don't think the problem at the club is just Jose and some players. I think the whole club needs kind of big surgery, else the next manager will face similar issues and eventually fizzle out.
Again, I don't think the problem at the club is just Jose and some players. I think the whole club needs kind of big surgery, else the next manager will face similar issues and eventually fizzle out.
I have backed JM for weeks now on the basis that:
1. I wanted him to replace SAF when he retired.
2. I didn't want United to become a sacking club.
However, I now fear that things have gone too far for him to be able to turn it round. There is something badly wrong between the manager and players and while I hate player power, things now seem too entrenched.
I have read most of the posts and it seems people are simply throwing up names with little in depth knowledge.
I want the club to seriously think about the next move and not just a knee jerk reaction. This has to be one of the most important decisions any of them will take and the outcome has to be the right one.
Another failed appointment will have massive consequences and turn Manchester United into a joke.
The classic "losing the dressing room" is always the time TO get rid of the manager.
Once the players don't have total faith and respect in the manager they drop their level, and there's no way back.
I do think you're 100% spot on with the second line though - our board have shown that with the last two managers who achieved way less than Jose has.
Having said that, Jose will get the standard year compensation whether he's sacked now, or whether we do it in Feb when we can't hit the top 4,so there's not much odds.
Again, what is this based on? Why Carrick? What benefit has his impact had this year in our worst start for 30 years?
Maybe it's losing his long term assistant that has helped send Jose wacko.
is Eric bored of acting yet?
Answer the question, were these managers hired based on the brand or their managing abilities? Who the club eliminated because they weren't good for the brand?
Look for profile. A progressive modern manager. Someone who will prioritise ball playing skills, one that will set us up to press and be comfortable on the ball.
No more looking at cv and especially no more looking at these managers who used to be good in their heydays but now only rely on reputation.
Let's go for an unproven one if we must but the priority is to follow the right profile.
No more looking at cv and especially no more looking at these managers who used to be good in their heydays but now only rely on reputation.
Let's go for an unproven one if we must but the priority is to follow the right profile.
I realise it's entirely irrelevant at this point but if you go back in time and change recent managerial appointments who would you have gone with instead? Pep? Klopp? Sarri maybe?
So Zidane is the flavour of the month - not even flavour of the last three years - but we should go get Tuchel, Nagelsmann, Jardim, Poch? Arrrggh textbook Redcafe. Embarrassing.
Van Gaal was appointed prior to world cup so only 1 manager out of 3 was marketable but was also coming off his worst season so your theory that United hires manager's because of brand is complete non starter and if United bring Zidane as manager it would because our board thinks he is the best available candidate who has the recent track record of success not because of this brand and commercial viability you seem to be alluding to , whether he succeeds or not is a different matter .
I wanted Klopp, the only reason I dislike him is because he manages Liverpool.
Bielsa - wd love to see this lot cleaning the changing room bogs...
I'd not take on the role as it is if I were Carrick, absolutely on a hiding to nothing. We need an experienced coach and someone in a higher position to develop the team and club. Carrick may well end up doing it in the short term, but no way until the end of the season.
Unfortunately we are already a joke. Shitty as that is. Second largest wage bill in Europe. It’s a farce.
I also supported Jose until very recently. I hate player power. Pogba and martial, two of the most over rated players in the history of the club. The problem is they would probably look like great players in a settled team/club with a few really good older players to give them a bollocking when they step out of line or don’t put in the graft. All our older players are also dross/not here that long/have won nothing etc. We are rotten from top to bottom at the minute. It’s crazy a supposedly top class manager can’t find a system that brings the best out of a 250 million euro attack and can’t defend with a 100 million plus (not including ddg) defense. It’s absurd saying we don’t have enough quality.
Go and buy it so man. 2/3 of the team is his now and he can’t even get on with them. He has to go
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A former player is not necessary. We should stop living in the past.
If we want to play attacking football we need a manager like Wenger/Jardim/Tuchel etc
Exactly, if anything none of them were particularly good for the brand. They were boring, tried and tested options, not highly popular and in vogue.
Me too. I still like him even now. A manager that does a very good job on the training ground.
André Villas-Boas. He's won the Europa League (Just as Fergie won the CWC before being appointed. It's a fair comparison to make). He loves racing (Granted Fergie was more equinically inclined in this respect, but it's a fair comparison to make.) We'll get the racing fans to our side, as a bonus.
He sacrificed himself by forcing him team to produce abject results so as to pave the way for his successor Di Matteo to win the CL (this tactic is known as the "Good Manager, Bad Manager Stratagem", as successfully employed by the Benitez-Zidane super tag team. This is similar to the "Good Cop, Bad Cop" ploy, but in AVB and RDM put their own spin on it and went with "Bad Manager, Even Worse Manager" feint, a risky strategy to say the least. But when it works, oh, boy...).
He's still young (40 years old). His win percentage at Spurs is almost as good as Pochettino's (55% vs 55.3%).
His teams play a high-pressing game, and this style is all the rage right now. But he did it before it was cool.
But the most important, the ultimately incontrovertible reason I want him at OT is this one: he has Mancunian blood flowing in his veins (his great grandmother was from Cheadle). I know he has many faults (such as being a mediocre manager), but if we can look at JM's (eye-gouging, doctor-insulting, meltdown-self-inducing) and still hire him, them we can afford the same courtesy to this great man.
He sacrificed himself by forcing him team to produce abject results so as to pave the way for his successor Di Matteo to win the CL (this tactic is known as the "Good Manager, Bad Manager Stratagem", as successfully employed by the Benitez-Zidane super tag team. This is similar to the "Good Cop, Bad Cop" ploy, but in AVB and RDM put their own spin on it and went with "Bad Manager, Even Worse Manager" feint, a risky strategy to say the least. But when it works, oh, boy...).
He's still young (40 years old). His win percentage at Spurs is almost as good as Pochettino's (55% vs 55.3%).
His teams play a high-pressing game, and this style is all the rage right now. But he did it before it was cool.
But the most important, the ultimately incontrovertible reason I want him at OT is this one: he has Mancunian blood flowing in his veins (his great grandmother was from Cheadle). I know he has many faults (such as being a mediocre manager), but if we can look at JM's (eye-gouging, doctor-insulting, meltdown-self-inducing) and still hire him, them we can afford the same courtesy to this great man.
LVG and JM were partially hired because of their reputation --> Good for the brand.
I think the club(Glazers and Woody) opted for JM over Pochettino due to reputation at that time. And the same may have been the case in 2014 with the appointment of LVG.
So what do you think?
Do you think Jose should stay or go?
If goes, who to replace him?
Nothing. I don’t think we can bring in someone now just saying “we are looking for a temporary option until we find someone better”.
If someone is willing to do that job, like hiddink did at Chelsea, then for sure, l wouldn’t mind.
But carrick would more be like a caretaker option to just get the transition going till we get things moving.
Another reasoning behind it is that like I said in my previous post, I would like the DOF in place before the next manager. So in my opinion, carrick would be the choice not because of his abilities but more to do with him being, hopefully, willing to take the caretaker role.
But if he’s not willing to do that, it could go to anyone who’s willing to fill in temporarily
Agreed insinuations that United board signs players for commercial and marketing purposes were silly enough when there is plenty of evidence to the contrary but suggesting that even managerial appointments are done based on brand is taking it to a whole new level, United board have been guilty of playing safe as you mentioned it's time to make some bold choices and bring some excitement back to this great club it's been too long.
The reputation of being a great manager, not because he was marketable. I didn't want Mourinho but it's silly to act as if he wasn't on paper the safer candidate.
To be honest, I would still have chosen Jose and spent more money as well. Whether it would have made any difference or not, we will never know, but it is very clear that the board didn’t back him up with transfers this summer.
That is no excuse for the failings this season. But Jose to me was the obvious choice after LVG.
I am not saying that we only hire managers based on how "marketable(reputation)" they are, but it is a factor that influences the decision.
Regarding Mourinho: With him having the worst season in his managerial career, should not this have been an indication that his managerial abilities was "outdated" or over the top. Appointing a manager after a complete meltdown in his prior club purely based on his managerial abilities does not add up.
Regarding LVG and the date of this appointment: My mistake, thanks for the correction.
Whoever comes in eventually. If he doesn't win the league in two seasons he'll be out the door.
Rinse and repeat
5 years will quickly become 10 years and 15 years etc without a PL title...
Rinse and repeat
5 years will quickly become 10 years and 15 years etc without a PL title...
Jose shouldve been brought in straight after Fergie.
Moyes and Van Gaal was a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY