Ali Dia
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If he’s good enough for Bayern he’s probably good enough for us. We need something new and fresh anyway.Hoffenheim midtable at the moment. But as far as I know, they've lost a couple of players.
If he’s good enough for Bayern he’s probably good enough for us. We need something new and fresh anyway.Hoffenheim midtable at the moment. But as far as I know, they've lost a couple of players.
Decent shoutWouldn't mind Blanc, honestly. He had PSG play some really nice football.
As the club is not particularly transparent regarding how a manager is appointed, we can't know and it is mere speculation on my behalf.You didn't respond to the question, at which point did the club hire a manager for brand reasons? Which one of Moyes, LVG and Mourinho were hired because of the brand when a better candidate should have been hired?
And why not?I like Zidane but I don't think he would be the right fit for us right now.
Which players have downed tool may i ask? The most certain looks like Jose's favourite Matic to me.Whilst I agree Jose is on borrowed time, I think it would be dangerous to sack him now after the players pretty much downed tools.
This absolutely has to happen. People keep throwing fancy Italian and Spanish names around but we need someone who knows exactly what this club is about and the pressures the players are gonna face on a day to day basis. Actually Van der Sar would be perfect but I don't think there's any way he's leaving Ajax.Marcelo Gallardo River Plate manager, ex Monaco player
Leonardo Jardim, His Monaco team were great to watch until they sold every one.
Eddie Howe and Mauricio Pochettino outside choices.
The role of director of football, I'd like it to be given to an ex-United player who knows the standards of what United fans expect.
I have backed JM for weeks now on the basis that:If he’s good enough for Bayern he’s probably good enough for us. We need something new and fresh anyway.
The classic "losing the dressing room" is always the time TO get rid of the manager.Whilst I agree Jose is on borrowed time, I think it would be dangerous to sack him now after the players pretty much downed tools. We could end up in a Chelsea situation where all the players and agents have the power.
I don't think the club would sack him until the top four is mathematically out of reach,the glazers have got to save that compensation cash.
Again, what is this based on? Why Carrick? What benefit has his impact had this year in our worst start for 30 years?I would give it Carrick till end of season and then plan. Work on the DOF on more priority.
Again, I don't think the problem at the club is just Jose and some players. I think the whole club needs kind of big surgery, else the next manager will face similar issues and eventually fizzle out.
Answer the question, were these managers hired based on the brand or their managing abilities? Who the club eliminated because they weren't good for the brand?As the club is not particularly transparent regarding how a manager is appointed, we can't know and it is mere speculation on my behalf.
And i am not saying that the only thing that affects the process of hiring a new manager is how marketable they are, but looking at the people responsible for hiring a new manager...
Moyes was SAF.
LVG was "hype/increased reputation due to dutch WC success".
Mourinho was the most famous manager available, and the appointment certainly made sense commercially.
Difficult to define/quantify if a manager is a better candidate compared to others, unless one can apply hindsight.
Van Gaal was appointed prior to world cup so only 1 manager out of 3 was marketable but was also coming off his worst season so your theory that United hires manager's because of brand is complete non starter and if United bring Zidane as manager it would because our board thinks he is the best available candidate who has the recent track record of success not because of this brand and commercial viability you seem to be alluding to , whether he succeeds or not is a different matter .As the club is not particularly transparent regarding how a manager is appointed, we can't know and it is mere speculation on my behalf.
And i am not saying that the only thing that affects the process of hiring a new manager is how marketable they are, but looking at the people responsible for hiring a new manager...
Moyes was SAF.
LVG was "hype/increased reputation due to dutch WC success".
Mourinho was the most famous manager available, and the appointment certainly made sense commercially.
Difficult to define/quantify if a manager is a better candidate compared to others, unless one can apply hindsight.
I wanted Klopp, the only reason I dislike him is because he manages Liverpool.I realise it's entirely irrelevant at this point but if you go back in time and change recent managerial appointments who would you have gone with instead? Pep? Klopp? Sarri maybe?
Bielsa - wd love to see this lot cleaning the changing room bogs...
I'd not take on the role as it is if I were Carrick, absolutely on a hiding to nothing. We need an experienced coach and someone in a higher position to develop the team and club. Carrick may well end up doing it in the short term, but no way until the end of the season.I would give it Carrick till end of season and then plan. Work on the DOF on more priority.
Again, I don't think the problem at the club is just Jose and some players. I think the whole club needs kind of big surgery, else the next manager will face similar issues and eventually fizzle out.
Unfortunately we are already a joke. Shitty as that is. Second largest wage bill in Europe. It’s a farce.I have backed JM for weeks now on the basis that:
1. I wanted him to replace SAF when he retired.
2. I didn't want United to become a sacking club.
However, I now fear that things have gone too far for him to be able to turn it round. There is something badly wrong between the manager and players and while I hate player power, things now seem too entrenched.
I have read most of the posts and it seems people are simply throwing up names with little in depth knowledge.
I want the club to seriously think about the next move and not just a knee jerk reaction. This has to be one of the most important decisions any of them will take and the outcome has to be the right one.
Another failed appointment will have massive consequences and turn Manchester United into a joke.
Marcelo Gallardo River Plate manager, ex Monaco player
Leonardo Jardim, His Monaco team were great to watch until they sold every one.
Eddie Howe and Mauricio Pochettino outside choices.
The role of director of football, I'd like it to be given to an ex-United player who knows the standards of what United fans expect.
A former player is not necessary. We should stop living in the past.This absolutely has to happen. People keep throwing fancy Italian and Spanish names around but we need someone who knows exactly what this club is about and the pressures the players are gonna face on a day to day basis. Actually Van der Sar would be perfect but I don't think there's any way he's leaving Ajax.
Exactly, if anything none of them were particularly good for the brand. They were boring, tried and tested options, not highly popular and in vogue.Van Gaal was appointed prior to world cup so only 1 manager out of 3 was marketable but was also coming off his worst season so your theory that United hires manager's because of brand is complete non starter and if United bring Zidane as manager it would because our board thinks he is the best available candidate who has the recent track record of success not because of this brand and commercial viability you seem to be alluding to , whether he succeeds or not is a different matter .
Me too. I still like him even now. A manager that does a very good job on the training ground.I wanted Klopp, the only reason I dislike him is because he manages Liverpool.
LVG and JM were partially hired because of their reputation --> Good for the brand.Answer the question, were these managers hired based on the brand or their managing abilities? Who the club eliminated because they weren't good for the brand?
So what do you think?So Zidane is the flavour of the month - not even flavour of the last three years - but we should go get Tuchel, Nagelsmann, Jardim, Poch? Arrrggh textbook Redcafe. Embarrassing.
Nothing. I don’t think we can bring in someone now just saying “we are looking for a temporary option until we find someone better”.Out of interest, apart from being a good past player, what on earth would make you put Carrick in charge, albeit temporary?
How has his influence been so far in what we're seeing?
Agreed insinuations that United board signs players for commercial and marketing purposes were silly enough when there is plenty of evidence to the contrary but suggesting that even managerial appointments are done based on brand is taking it to a whole new level, United board have been guilty of playing safe as you mentioned it's time to make some bold choices and bring some excitement back to this great club it's been too long.Exactly, if anything none of them were particularly good for the brand. They were boring, tried and tested options, not highly popular and in vogue.
The reputation of being a great manager, not because he was marketable. I didn't want Mourinho but it's silly to act as if he wasn't on paper the safer candidate.LVG and JM were partially hired because of their reputation --> Good for the brand.
I think the club(Glazers and Woody) opted for JM over Pochettino due to reputation at that time. And the same may have been the case in 2014 with the appointment of LVG.
To be honest, I would still have chosen Jose and spent more money as well. Whether it would have made any difference or not, we will never know, but it is very clear that the board didn’t back him up with transfers this summer.I realise it's entirely irrelevant at this point but if you go back in time and change recent managerial appointments who would you have gone with instead? Pep? Klopp? Sarri maybe?
I am not saying that we only hire managers based on how "marketable(reputation)" they are, but it is a factor that influences the decision.Van Gaal was appointed prior to world cup so only 1 manager out of 3 was marketable but was also coming off his worst season so your theory that United hires manager's because of brand is complete non starter and if United bring Zidane as manager it would because our board thinks he is the best available candidate who has the recent track record of success not because of this brand and commercial viability you seem to be alluding to , whether he succeeds or not is a different matter .
Jose shouldve been brought in straight after Fergie.To be honest, I would still have chosen Jose and spent more money as well. Whether it would have made any difference or not, we will never know, but it is very clear that the board didn’t back him up with transfers this summer.
That is no excuse for the failings this season. But Jose to me was the obvious choice after LVG.