Could Utd be sold soon?

[Greck]

I just want the Glazers gimps out of our club, the fact they have drained over £1bn from our club is sickening.

Is it true they took a billion out of the club and for what? Debt settlement?

 

[red thru&thru]

You can't expect everyone to know everything about every sponsor United have. There must be hundreds. You can expect that people could at least take a look at the owners though. It's fairly easy to find out the truth about City's real owners for example and take subsequent offence.

If you want to raise awareness link an article about our dodgy sponsors.

I understand what you're saying and maybe you haven't read the entire thread to understand what I'm trying to say. I'll try and sum it up...people are well within their rights to object to or voice their concerns about the owners of our club. What I don't understand is, when people say they would be "done" with our club if the owners from SA took over, because of the human right atrocities. If you're so passionate about human rights, do it properly not half heartedly.

Human rights is not a light subject. Be behind it properly, or not at all.

 

[Cassidy]

Like which sponsor? Also it's a bit different having a sponsor. Also Dodgy things also lies on a spectrum and Saudi are on the extreme end of that as they've just chopped up a bloke inside their embassy in a foreign country. If some posters here detest people for hating on a regime that does something as despicable as that than I'm really worried about their moral compass and they'd basically be able to justify anything bad they do in life if they use arguments such as everyone is dodgey.

Its a slippery slope because what does it say about people who support a regime that supports said regime?

I get what you mean but my point really is not all crimes are on the surface. And if you look deep enough most hands have blood on them

 

[ivaldo]

Not suggesting anyone,merely giving my opinion..if thats ok with you....

No it isnt. My preference is Batman.

 

[red thru&thru]

Yes it's an emotional thing and some people are also really affected by the actions of the Saudi government. For example: I couldn't sleep for the night when I saw the news about Jamal Khashoggi where they described how a staff inside the embassy heard the struggle, the cry for help, the sudden silence and use of bone saw to dismember his body. This was a guy who went to get his paperwork for his marriage and had absolutely no idea about what was about to happen to him. You should just allow people to feel anger towards the perpetrators of this heinous crime instead of questioning their moral stance. Yes we all love United and probably will still continue to support the team even if the takeover goes through. Yes, some may try to boycott the club but I know it's going to be extremely hard because United is so ingrained in our everyday life.

Agree. And it is terrible.

Like I say, I don't object to what yiu just said but people saying they're done with our club? That's what I object to! But I'm just a passionate United supporter more than a human activist. Maybe that's the issue.

 

[Cloud7]

Yeah ok but why only appalled? Can't you do more? I mean you must be able to do more. Why don't they boycott their own government and move away to a more politically correct country.

It's hypocrisy of the highest level in my opinion.

Maybe because people have families, jobs, their whole lives based in a country maybe? And it’s not as simple as “boycott their government and move away” FFS.

I mean everyone should give up their whole lives and move to Antarctica just so that Kostov on redcafe won’t think they’re hypocritical. Of course that makes sense.

Or you could just, you know, make a simple change in your life over something you don’t agree with. If you don’t agree with your government, you can vote against them, may not work, but it’s something. You don’t agree with the ownership of your football club, you can stop being a supporter of the club. That’s infinitely easier than moving to a more politically correct country.

You would think a point like this wouldn’t even need to be made

 

[MuFc_1992]

Its a slippery slope because what does it say about people who support a regime that supports said regime?

I get what you mean but my point really is not all crimes are on the surface. And if you look deep enough most hands have blood on them

I really don't

Agree. And it is terrible.

Like I say, I don't object to what yiu just said but people saying they're done with our club? That's what I object to! But I'm just a passionate United supporter more than a human activist. Maybe that's the issue.

Maybe but you cannot have a go at people for being more concerned about human rights than United.

 

[ZupZup]

Yea, I see your point exactly. I just don't understand the notion of cutting ties with the club if someone takes over?!

I am very attached to the club, maybe that's why I can't understand some people saying they'd cut ties with the club?!

I’d cut ties...

I have supported United my whole life... I’ve been a season ticket holder for years and follow the team home and away. I’d say I’m fairly attached.

Thankfully, I don’t really see it happening. Whilst they’d love to launder their image like that... I suspect the spotlight it would put on them and their shameful activities would be less than welcome.

 

[MuFc_1992]

Its a slippery slope because what does it say about people who support a regime that supports said regime?

I get what you mean but my point really is not all crimes are on the surface. And if you look deep enough most hands have blood on them

Yes but it doesn't mean that people should turn a blind eye to overt crimes because there may be other crimes under the surface.

 

[red thru&thru]

I really don't

Maybe but you cannot have a go at people for being more concerned about human rights than United.

I really don't think I'm having a go at people. Like I say, human rights is not a light subject If you're objection is on human rights ground, do it properly.

 

[Cloud7]

I’d cut ties...

I have supported United my whole life... I’ve been a season ticket holder for years and follow the team home and away. I’d say I’m fairly attached.

Thankfully, I don’t really see it happening. Whilst they’d love to launder their image like that... I suspect the spotlight it would put on them and their shameful activities would be less than welcome.

Your last paragraph is an interesting point. Owners of clubs like city can get away with it because in the grand scheme most people don’t really pay attention to their club, but news about united sells. Once you attach the Manchester United name to a story millions more will read it.

You can almost guarantee that journalists will go to town and back on all the things that SA are up to, if they could attach “Manchester United owners” to the top of their article.

 

[red thru&thru]

I’d cut ties...

I have supported United my whole life... I’ve been a season ticket holder for years and follow the team home and away. I’d say I’m fairly attached.

Thankfully, I don’t really see it happening. Whilst they’d love to launder their image like that... I suspect the spotlight it would put on them and their shameful activities would be less than welcome.

We already have money incoming from the Saudi's. Your thoughts on this and how it would differ from a Saudi take over?

 

[Random Task]

Yea, I see your point exactly. I just don't understand the notion of cutting ties with the club if someone takes over?!

I am very attached to the club, maybe that's why I can't understand some people saying they'd cut ties with the club?!

I cannot speak for everyone on the matter but personally, I feel that selling out to the Saudi's would be a step too far. I could never truly cut ties with United, that's impossible at this point, but the connection, which is already rather flimsy given the current state of the club from its owners through to the manager and the players, would be somewhat weakened.

You don't understand because you seem unwilling to accept other peoples views on the subject.

 

[decorativeed]

You and others were saying you'd disown United if SA took over. So why stay in and support a country that supports SA?

My main point here is, people talking rubbish about taking the moral high ground. If you're going to take the moral high ground, do it properly, not half arse comments on a football forum.

Quote me saying that.

 

[Cloud7]

I really don't think I'm having a go at people. Like I say, human rights is not a light subject If you're objection is on human rights ground, do it properly.

What do you mean by do it properly mate? Quit your job and protest everyday? Stop buying from every single company with dubious links? Move to a country with no government so there’s no chance of them being in bed with anyone questionable?

Most of these things aren’t feasible. Stopping religiously following a football club because it goes against your ethos as a person is much more doable than anything else.

Who are you to tell people to do something properly because you don’t agree with how they choose to voice their disapproval of something?

 

[red thru&thru]

What do you mean by do it properly mate? Quit your job and protest everyday? Stop buying from every single company with dubious links? Move to a country with no government so there’s no chance of them being in bed with anyone questionable?

Most of these things aren’t feasible. Stopping religiously following a football club because it goes against your ethos as a person is much more doable than anything else.

Who are you to tell people to do something properly because you don’t agree with how they choose to voice their disapproval of something?

So if these people aren't willing to do something proper about it, why do something at all? I don't understand the notion of doing a half hearted job?!

 

[red thru&thru]

Quote me saying that.

So if you haven't, what are your objections about my posts?

 

[red thru&thru]

I cannot speak for everyone on the matter but personally, I feel that selling out to the Saudi's would be a step too far. I could never truly cut ties with United, that's impossible at this point, but the connection, which is already rather flimsy given the current state of the club from its owners through to the manager and the players, would be somewhat weakened.

You don't understand because you seem unwilling to accept other peoples views on the subject.

Again, it seems you haven't read all my posts. I'm objecting people doing half hearted job on being human activists. If people are so against the Saudis, the club are already supporting them and their country. Why are these people on United forum's if they feel so against a potential SA take over?!

 

[Moriarty]

Politics and sport is a very toxic brew, but these days, there's no getting away from it.

 

[Infra-red]

So if these people aren't willing to do something proper about it, why do something at all? I don't understand the notion of doing a half hearted job?!

I don't think there's anything "half-hearted" about withdrawing support from a club you've followed your entire life.

 

[Cloud7]

So if these people aren't willing to do something proper about it, why do something at all? I don't understand the notion of doing a half hearted job?!

Why stop using plastic straws if plastic companies still exist?

Why would you stop throwing your garbage on the side of the road when people all over the world dump their garbage into rivers and you can’t stop them?

If I have to explain the notion of why doing something, no matter how small, is better than doing nothing at all, then I don’t think you and I have anything to discuss anymore.

 

[Random Task]

So if these people aren't willing to do something proper about it, why do something at all? I don't understand the notion of doing a half hearted job?!

I get your point, but short of traveling out to the middle-post and forming a disapproving march in protest to the ongoing atrocities taking place there, which is impossible for me considering I have a family who rely on me for support, so having my head removed is not a viable option unfortunately (plus I like it where it is!), what would you have us do?

 

[Infra-red]

Why stop using plastic straws if plastic companies still exist?

Why would you stop throwing your garbage on the side of the road when people all over the world dump their garbage into rivers and you can’t stop them?

If I have to explain the notion of why doing something, no matter how small, is better than doing nothing at all, then I don’t think you and I have anything to discuss anymore.

It is incredible that this simple point even needs to be made.

 

[reddaz71]

For those against this and IF this actually happened and they brought in Hazard and Mbappe as statement signings You would still be against this happening right....

 

[Cloud7]

Politics and sport is a very toxic brew, but these days, there's no getting away from it.

Probably the two most tribal things to exist in today’s world, politics and sports. Definitely a toxic brew.

 

[red thru&thru]

Why stop using plastic straws if plastic companies still exist?

Why would you stop throwing your garbage on the side of the road when people all over the world dump their garbage into rivers and you can’t stop them?

If I have to explain the notion of why doing something, no matter how small, is better than doing nothing at all, then I don’t think you and I have anything to discuss anymore.

Saudis are sponsoring us now. We're helping the Saudis. Why have these people with such staunch human right views still on United forums if they're done with the club?

 

[decorativeed]

So if you haven't, what are your objections about my posts?

Basically you've been insisting that me expressing my opinion about Saudi Arabia on a forum is me "getting on my high horse", and "taking the moral high ground", and somehow that's not on and I should emigrate. Basically your posts have been complete nonsense.

We're all here to express our opinions, and to do so doesn't require me or anyone else to petition the government or to flee the country. It also doesn't presuppose that my posts in this thread are the total extent of me expressing my feelings on the matter, as I actually exist in the real world and am aware of my options. Only a complete moron would suggest otherwise.

 

[red thru&thru]

For those against this and IF this actually happened and they brought in Hazard and Mbappe as statement signings You would still be against this happening right....

 so true. They'll be the first one's bragging to the scousers etc! Lol

 

[Interval]

For those against this and IF this actually happened and they brought in Hazard and Mbappe as statement signings You would still be against this happening right....

Yes. If some of you are amazed to think that disowning the club if bought by a despotic regime, then I'm afraid your morals standards are low and need to be reframed.

 

[Cassidy]

Yes but it doesn't mean that people should turn a blind eye to overt crimes because there may be other crimes under the surface.

I agree with that dnt get me wtong

 

[ZupZup]

We already have money incoming from the Saudi's. Your thoughts on this and how it would differ from a Saudi take over?

Accepting a Saudi company as a minor, very easily replaceable sponsor is somewhat different to being outright owned by the Saudi royal family.

I don’t agree with either... but I know you understand there are levels here even if you’d like to give them some sort of fake moral equivalence.

 

[red thru&thru]

I get your point, but short of traveling out to the middle-post and forming a disapproving march in protest to the ongoing atrocities taking place there, which is impossible for me considering I have a family who rely on me for support, so having my head removed is not a viable option unfortunately (plus I like it where it is!), what would you have us do?

I can't comment on what I'd have you do. But a question, are you one of the people who would cut ties with the clun if the Saudis took over?

 

[red thru&thru]

There’s a difference between them being a sponsor and them being the primary owners of the club. You seem to refuse to understand there are levels and nuances to issues, and that everything isn’t just black and white, though your “do something properly or not at all” spiel suggests that that is exactly how you view things.

Let me spell this out for you one more time. No one is saying that any kind of relations with SA will make them give up the club. Like you said, we are already affiliated with them. What many, including myself are saying, is that them becoming the owners of the club, with us becoming the face of their regime to the world, like Chelsea is the face of Roman, will be crossing a line that we current are not crossing, and that will push them into not supporting the club anymore.

So human rights is not black and white? Human rights is a grey area according to you? So some human right infringements are fine but others are?

 

[reddaz71]

Yes. If some of you are amazed to think that disowning the club if bought by a despotic regime, then I'm afraid your morals standards are low and need to be reframed.

Maybe supporting the team,the eleven guys out on the pitch who represent MUFC are worth supporting,who owns the club is incidental if the THE CLUB,not a country,is run with integrity!

 

[CodeRed]

1, Even playing crap, we are making more money ever for the glazers. That was from a statement last week.

2, Not many companies are buying other companies out at the moment. Im in the business and with brexit and all its a no go at the moment.

3, Its the Daily Star! In it's whole life of giving news out, has it once got a story true?

 

[Infra-red]

For those against this and IF this actually happened and they brought in Hazard and Mbappe as statement signings You would still be against this happening right....

Yes. I would be opposed to these despicable, murderous, backwards cnuts owning us, regardless of how many shiny new toys they buy to appease people like you.

Paralysis, eye gouging and crucifixion – the Medieval and grotesque punishments faced by criminals in Saudi Arabia
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/69802...nishments-faced-by-criminals-in-saudi-arabia/

Saudi Arabia: Women beheaded in street, corpses dangling from cranes
https://www.news.com.au/world/middl...s/news-story/e9b9a2a9f158285818106049e922aff1

Saudi man 'faces spine-op punishment'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11045848

Is Saudi Arabia more extreme than ‘Islamic State’?
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-saudi-arabia-extreme-islamic-state

In the last month they murdered and dismembered a journalist in their own consulate and crucified a man in Mecca. It doesn't get any worse.

 

[Moonred]

Downside of being a very popular club with millions of fans. large number of cnuts.

 

[Cloud7]

So human rights is not black and white? Human rights is a grey area according to you? So some human right infringements are fine but others are?

It absolutely is not black and white. Very few things in this world are. As I said before, you don’t seem to want to view this as anything but black and white, so I’m going to end this discussion here.

Have a good weekend mate !

 

[MuFc_1992]

Yes. I would be opposed to these despicable, murderous, backwards cnuts owning us, regardless of how many shiny new toys they buy to appease people like you.

Paralysis, eye gouging and crucifixion – the Medieval and grotesque punishments faced by criminals in Saudi Arabia
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/69802...nishments-faced-by-criminals-in-saudi-arabia/

Saudi Arabia: Women beheaded in street, corpses dangling from cranes
https://www.news.com.au/world/middl...s/news-story/e9b9a2a9f158285818106049e922aff1

Saudi man 'faces spine-op punishment'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11045848

Is Saudi Arabia more extreme than ‘Islamic State’?
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-saudi-arabia-extreme-islamic-state

I really don't understand how people are made fun of for taking a moral stance. It's really difficult to understand the polarizing nature of the society where people take the opposite positions of people they don't like just to piss them off. It would be all right if people said that they'd be all right with Saudi as owners because they don't care about the politics but How can people who don't care about those issues question the stance taken by people who care?

 

[diarm]

Say what you like about the Saudis, but they'd have found a way to get Darmian off the books by now...