Mass emigration to Portugal for sure. Every brazilian have at least a portuguese great great grandfather, so obtaining the portuguese citizenship is is very easily achieved. Here in Portugal, they are not particularly seen as a problem right now, altough they are already filling the low waged jobs, but if a mass imigration start, it will evolve for sure some negative feelings and right-wing parties may gain some relevance.
Brazilian Elections
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Take Bolsonaro and fascism out of the equation for a minute. You are talking about a country where a former President would get reelected if it weren't for the slight inconvenience of him being in jail for corruption (not just systematic bribing, also all the scheming and tampering with the judicial that goes with it).
Of course business and the more educated will react that way at the prospect of Anyone But PT.
It's unfortunate the ABPT option is a fecking mentalist. They aren't embracing Bolsonaro. It's swapping one form of cancer with another, but right now they are fed up with the other, which was at terminal stage.
You got it.
Funny story, my graduation dissertation (BSc Economics) back in 1999 was about all this. I reviewed the XXth Century across South America and laid out, as the Washington Consensus policies didn't deliver prosperity for all but a few, South America would swing to leftist populist governments like the incipient Chavez one in Venezuela. Then after 10-15 years of those, their unfulfilled promises would lead to extreme polarisation, and that in turn would only result in violence.
I was told off it wasn't about Economics and there wasn't a single graph or hint of economic theory in the entire document. I told them the entire point was arguing all their theories on development were going to fail if they overlooked that culture, history and politics are the real forces behind our society's behaviour, not "people will act rationally".
I barely got a pass and it knocked one level off my honours. Bastards, would love to see them again now and plaster their faces with a few cakes.
That sounds really interesting and I definitely would agree. With some of them I think they know that their conventional theories are bullshit but they they are still self-serving so they spout them anyway.
Might be time to go back to tinder if Bolsonaro wins then
Haddad really in touch with those he will rescue from poverty 
That video was made when Haddad was the mayor of São Paulo and he went to the inauguration of the Interlagos F1 circuit. He was invited to test the track by some rich bloke who let him use his car.Haddad really in touch with those he will rescue from poverty
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Fun fact, according to São Paulo's biggest newspaper, 96% of the news Bolsonaro supporters read and spread are fake. So if you see something bad about Haddad, odds are it's fake, like this Ferrari thing, that was spread as having happened yesterday when arriving at a campaign rally.
Haddad doesn't even have a car and he went to work when he was mayor by bus or bicycle.
Haddad doesn't even have a car and he went to work when he was mayor by bus or bicycle.
Good to know, it was a bit ridiculous
I mean, a yellow Ferrari is somewhat conspicuous... Saw it in a newsfeed earlier indicating it was yesterday.One thing I hate about the constantly connected society is 90% of the content going around is bollocks. There's hardly any reputable sources any more as they are all click-driven.
Is whatsapp common in Brazil?
yes
Given the stuff that spreads on whatsapp in India, I can imagine that its quite similar there.
This was the most organised example: https://www.newslaundry.com/2017/03/17/how-bjps-it-cell-waged-war-and-won-in-up
but there's just general undirected nonsense too.
its horrible. Bolsonaro fans spread so much obvious nonsense, but it works and many of these memes catch on.
I read it on facebook and thought it was weird. Then a brazilian friend pointed me to an article debunking it. Apparently Brazil has more fake news right now than real news, terrifying times.Good to know, it was a bit ridiculous
One thing I hate about the constantly connected society is 90% of the content going around is bollocks. There's hardly any reputable sources any more as they are all click-driven.
That friend voted here in Lisbon, she wore a red shirt supporting PT and told me Bolsonaro supporters were there insulting people who showed support for other party candidates.
Very popular. I have an anti-Bolsonaro friend who joined a pro-Bolsonaro whatsapp group and you wouldn't believe what those people believe. Just today there was a fake interview floating around where Haddad said incest shouldn't be illegal because it wasn't really such a bad thing.
Laughing because the reality of fabricated stuff online is terrifying to seriously think about.
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Things are about to get very very bad.
Recently watched this video on him, sounds awful:
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Well that's pretty shit.
Know a lot of Brazilians from years of teaching. I haven't seen one who supports this guy on social media. Fear for then now.
People is so fecking stupid. (well, not their fault. Sons of a broken and corrupt system)
Oh feck. The World’s turn to the far right continues.
It would be good if this "vote for mad shit" phase the world is in came to an end sometime soon.
And so the world takes yet another step towards fascism.
This is what you get when you allow corruption to run wild.
This is a tragedy and a disaster.
Yeah it not going to for a very long time.
Depressing, yet utterly predictable. I just hope it doesn't turn out as bad for Brazil as I fear it will.
can see Brazil devolving into Civil war.
This guy wont last long.
He will come to a bad end soon enough.
This guy wont last long.
He will come to a bad end soon enough.
I fecking hope none of your predictions come through.
The guy is a former army captain with an army general (one who during the Petrobras scandal threatened with military intervention, no less) as his running mate and now VP. They are right-wing politicians with the whole military structure behind them. If the people revolt, there it will be a bloodbath.
I just hope for an uneventful reign, during which the Brazilians will hopefully work out he's a charlatan, and proceed to vote him out in the next elections. And ideally he hasn't eroded the democratic structure much by the time of his departure.
Using your own facts, do you think a guy who controls the army...at least for now, will submit to fair elections.
If you think there is corruption now wait for his regime to take control.
He will press down and not tolerate any disobedience.
He is a racist, yet the majority are non white. In fact I have heard this from some that almost everyone has some black blood. I suppose it is how people see themselves.
No one wants civil war. But it is in the end worse to accept injustice and simply hope.
Not quite sure - do you mean it's not going to last or not going to end for a long time?
Oh my bad. I meant that this period of politics isn't going to end time anytime soon. While there are different factors as to what is happening in Brazil and than say in the West, we are since the crash of 2008 in a political crisis and until there is a new type of economic and importantly environmental model this crisis will be(I think)continuing and getting worse for a very long time.
I'm more talking mostly about the west here(As my knowledge on Brazilian politics is very limited although I think it could apply as well), there's a feeling among liberals and some leftists that we waiting for things to go back to ''normal'' that the politics we are seeing today is a sort blimp rather than the outcome of the ''normal'' times we wish we could go back to.
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I think he will try to erode the democratic institutions but I don't think he'll have time to do it in one term. So I think it's likely he will submit to fair elections the first time round, but the chances will diminish if he wins re-election. If he rides positives economic winds during his first term, he could very well be re-elected and have time to shape the system to his needs. I think he'll try to emulate Putin and Erdogan in becoming a strongman of an autocratic state that controls the media and the opposition while maintaining a semblance of democracy and enjoying high popularity.
Also, even if you control the military that doesn't mean you can bypass democracy fully. Otherwise he would have done a military coup and not bother with elections. But obviously he would have had a very strong backlash both internationally and domestically. He is however now the democratically elected leader and any uprising will be deemed undemocratic and blamed on terrorists or foreign intelligence agencies etc. The usual playbook. But a strong excuse to come down hard.
Like I said, best option is to vote him out after first term. Trying to do it before that, it could get really bloody.