The worst it has ever been
Are people going to insist this isn't as bad or worse than the nadirs of LVG and Moyes?
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No way
Who was an unknown? Thiago, Kroos?
The point that many seem to ignore about LVG is that wasn’t the finished product by any means, that was not his style, if you’d given him a Pogba and Fred to throw in with Carrick that team would have been transformed and more like it was supposed to be.
I do think at the time Jose would have had more pull, he’s a far more recognisable name, but the way we were we would have had lots of opportunities for young players to come in play and develop together.
This.
We would've had 1 shot on goal today under Van Gaal.
You forget that from around now till Feb/March that season we were absolutely garbage.
It's not quite as bad as that LVG winter when we didn't win for like 10 games but it's getting there. Not quite Moyes levels yet either.
No one denies that Jose's first two seasons were better but this is worse than the worst of LVG.
It just got worse. For me the Palace game was Jose’s Fulham game and now it goes on...
Least we still nearly made the top four (had some nice results in the big games too) near the end.
Meanwhile the cnut currently in charge has pretty much ended the season for us and it's only December.
There were more bright spots under Van Gaal. Van Gaal at least seemed to coach his players unlike Mourinho. And Van Gaal's best football at United was better than Mourinho's best football at United, even though it only lasted 3 games.
For me fulham aside Moyes style of football wasnt even that bad.
It was just infuriating at the time that we were a bit crap.
Lvg and Mourinho style of football are by far the worst ive seen as a United supporter and both arw worse than Moyes imo.
It was just infuriating at the time that we were a bit crap.
Lvg and Mourinho style of football are by far the worst ive seen as a United supporter and both arw worse than Moyes imo.
The football is probably no worse than under the dog days of Moyes or LVG but, in the big picture, it’s more depressing - it’s now six seasons of being also rans, we have spent a lot of money and we have a manager who had a reputation as a proven winner. I think none of us can now be under any illusions that the club has fundamental problems of structure and leadership and it will be a long road back to the top.
Moyes didn’t spend the money Jose has so there are no excuses why we are in this state. Jose also seems to have regular digs at players, falls out with them and plays himself as the victim.
First of all - Mou has to go
Secondly - keep LVG!? People have short memories! We went matches were we would have 1 chance in the whole match!!
Secondly - keep LVG!? People have short memories! We went matches were we would have 1 chance in the whole match!!
During 15/16 - from end of November to April, we won 7 out of 19 PL games scoring a mere 20 fecking goals. Fickle memories.
Yes this is worse. Why? Because we actually have a decent squad on paper.
Much better than the one Moyes/LVG had.
Yet the manager has twice now picked line ups which scream sabotage.
Much better than the one Moyes/LVG had.
Yet the manager has twice now picked line ups which scream sabotage.
We scored a 45 pass goal against Southampton under LVG. The team was properly coached. We didn't defend and hope for a lucky goal. We did struggle to break teams down but the team had a formation and system of play.
Lingard, Fosu Mensah, Rashford and Martial all looked good under LVG.
Lingard, Fosu Mensah, Rashford and Martial all looked good under LVG.
Reading something like this reminds me of how a lot of people now consider the star wars prequels "not that bad" and "actually good". It's quite funny.
Really Moyes? Dont you remember games vs Liverpool etc. ? There shouldnt be a need for posting a video of that season, for real.
Your point being? Those are both good things. I’m struggling to see what you’re arguing. It’s a bit like saying “well they only won because they scored more goals than us.”
It’s funny because I seem to remember everyone on here including myself criticising us precisely because we didn’t have a plan. What was Moyes plan? There wasn’t one.
I agree it isn’t good enough. I think the fact it’s Jose Mourinho and relative success in his first season has bought him more time, but I don’t see him being here next season.
LVG had loads of injuries. Jose does not have that excuse.
It means that LVG would have at least coached the players a lot better than Jose has done while spending a lot more money. It does not mean that LVG was the answer.
Yeah... expect we didn't make top 4. We had nice results last year against the top 6 and 90% of our fans were still moaning.
Think a lot of people forget why the second season under LVG ended up so bad. That being his somewhat shite record of transfers both in and out (which is still his fault no doubt) and us relying on a shite Rooney up top (with Martial on the left all the time). We ended up lucking out on Rashford coming through to help us out in the second half of the season.
Enough is enough
Mou is a bigger disappointment than Moyes or LVG were, as it's Mourinho and he spent a fortune, but actual football is not AS bad as under LVG, people forgetting games with one shot on goal, with sooo many backwards passes just to keep possession.. are you kidding me..
Lvgs brand of football was ten times worse! And yes they were well drilled.
But all that doesn’t mean Mou is off the hook because his team is dire too
This is definitely worse than Moyes or LVG.
Sides like Southampton and Palace aren't just taking points off us. They're out playing us. If every result had followed the balance of play we'd be even lower. We're seventh and it flatters us.
Sides like Southampton and Palace aren't just taking points off us. They're out playing us. If every result had followed the balance of play we'd be even lower. We're seventh and it flatters us.
Comparing between diseases is pointless. They are all fecking terrible
Came here to post that. This is the worst we've been after 14 games over a span of 6 years.
Mourinho has to go.
Bang on. LVG was far from perfect but he had a philosophy and a style at least he was very likeable. I actually sometimes catch myself thinking things weren't so bad under LVG because I liked him and he bowed out with a trophy but of course I quickly remember how bad it got and how boring it was.
We're just in a holding pattern at the minute. We need a Director of Football but the board won't appoint one until Mourinho is gone. Mourinho needs to go but Woodward is spineless and won't act until we can't finish in the CL. Woodward won't back Mourinho in the transfer window other than maybe some lower risk transfers. It's desperately frustrating at the moment.
Moyes? 81 crosses v Fulham. Taking the champions to 7th. He was shit. Full Stop.
LVG? Generally lots of boring, slow paced possession football that fashioned about 1 shot on goal per half played. Or at least it seemed like it. In general, again awful, just a different kind of awful.
Lot of revisionism going on in here.
LVG? Generally lots of boring, slow paced possession football that fashioned about 1 shot on goal per half played. Or at least it seemed like it. In general, again awful, just a different kind of awful.
Lot of revisionism going on in here.
From August to December we've won 6 out of 14 Premier League games and scored 22 goals. With the added benefit of a whingy fecker on the touchline.
It's definitely worse in terms of squad potential vs actual performance. Virtually every player is underperforming to an astonishing degree. But I don't think we're as far behind the top clubs as we have been post-Fergie.
To me, the current squad is miles better than under either Moyes or LVG. A proper manager, progressive style of football and 2-3 key signings could have us challenging for every trophy.
We need a change right now though. There's still time to compete for top 4 and make a run of in the UCL, but certainly not going to happen under the current manager.
To me, the current squad is miles better than under either Moyes or LVG. A proper manager, progressive style of football and 2-3 key signings could have us challenging for every trophy.
We need a change right now though. There's still time to compete for top 4 and make a run of in the UCL, but certainly not going to happen under the current manager.
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Moyes' plan was to play hard, old-fashioned get it up the flanks and cross. We were appalled by his ideology because it was totally un-befitting of the Champions of England who were used to much more intricacy than that. It's the caveat always omitted when we talk about Moyes - who and what it was compared against. Having said that, he stuck, rigidly to his [inept] principles and the team was drilled to play by them. It wasn't a system or style of football we approved of, but it was a system.
We just blunder about hoping for a moment of individual magic now from a group of players who don't have much individual magic in them. Not only that, we're negative and defensive and more concerned about containing the opposition than bringing the game to them. We have the uncanny ability to play down to any team we faces' level.
We're so listless now that it just feels like we're going through the motions. During the Moyes campaign, the players still had pride, we don't even have that to fall back on anymore.
Pound for pound (literally of figuratively) Mourinho is doing far worse than Moyes as he's spent so much more than him to produce worse football with no idea whether it's coming or going.
Love this revisionism. I guess when things are bad past looks brighter and false.
If LVG had Pogba I’m convinced he would do a better job than Jose is currently doing.
Can not pick up the worst. Cluless manager after another.
by the end of the season LVG had stumbled onto the forward line of Rashford, Martial and Lingard it was too little, too late.
He is still miles better at coaching and youth development than Jose will ever be.