Wumminator
The Qatar Pounder
The worst it has ever been
LVG was way worse, even than this now. Short memories
Who was an unknown? Thiago, Kroos?There were strong rumors we were going to sign Kroos or Thiago under Moyes and he was an unknown at United. LVG over Pep? Don't kid yourself. Our style under LVG was well known by players after his first season. I think Jose HAD stronger player pull than LVG would have ever had under us, but I fear that is no longer the case. Ed will need to pay players 30% more than other clubs are willing to pay them in order for us to sign them at this point.
Worse than LvG’s first season, but Jose’s first season was better than LvG’s second.
Moyes isn’t worthy of comparison, I think some are forgetting just how hopeless we were under him.
We would've had 1 shot on goal today under Van Gaal.No way LVG was worse than this. No way at all.
No way LVG was worse than this. No way at all.
You forget that from around now till Feb/March that season we were absolutely garbage.
Reading something like this reminds me of how a lot of people now consider the star wars prequels "not that bad" and "actually good". It's quite funny.There were more bright spots under Van Gaal. Van Gaal at least seemed to coach his players unlike Mourinho. And Van Gaal's best football at United was better than Mourinho's best football at United, even though it only lasted 3 games.
Only due to Zlatan's performances and winning a European trophy. Otherwise, I was already struggling to get behind Mourinho after a few months into his first season - primarily because I had no idea what the hell we were doing on the training pitch (and that criticism has never ended for me).
I don't understand how you can watch a game like we've just seen and make that statement. Under Moyes we were inept but still had a plan, even in the Fulham game we were relentless at something, now we just amble along with no plan, no system, no passion and very little hope.
How many could have called us not winning the game before we even got beyond 80 minutes? We're in a shocking situation right now. Statistically we're also worse than Moyes' team was at this point in the season.
LVG had loads of injuries. Jose does not have that excuse.It's not quite as bad as that LVG winter when we didn't win for like 10 games but it's getting there. Not quite Moyes levels yet either.
First of all - Mou has to go
Secondly - keep LVG!? People have short memories! We went matches were we would have 1 chance in the whole match!!
Least we still nearly made the top four (had some nice results in the big games too) near the end.
Meanwhile the cnut currently in charge has pretty much ended the season for us and it's only December.
Lvgs brand of football was ten times worse! And yes they were well drilled.It means that LVG would have at least coached the players a lot better than Jose has done while spending a lot more money. It does not mean that LVG was the answer.
From RedSky:
Moyes was worse than Van Gaal. And this is worse than Moyes now. Moyes only made us suffer for 10 months or whatever it was.
Don't care what any other posters say, that's genuinely how I feel. This is the lowest I've felt post-Ferguson.
I actually understood what Van Gaal was trying to do. It was shite in the end but the big loveable feckwit had a plan (in between diving on the sideline and calling reporters fat).
This guy is a genuinely incompetent feck who (to make it even worse) is also a horrible human being.
We sold our soul completely when we appointed a scumbag like Mourinho. And boy are we paying for it.
From August to December we've won 6 out of 14 Premier League games and scored 22 goals. With the added benefit of a whingy fecker on the touchline.During 15/16 - from end of November to April, we won 7 out of 19 PL games scoring a mere 20 fecking goals. Fickle memories.
Moyes' plan was to play hard, old-fashioned get it up the flanks and cross. We were appalled by his ideology because it was totally un-befitting of the Champions of England who were used to much more intricacy than that. It's the caveat always omitted when we talk about Moyes - who and what it was compared against. Having said that, he stuck, rigidly to his [inept] principles and the team was drilled to play by them. It wasn't a system or style of football we approved of, but it was a system.It’s funny because I seem to remember everyone on here including myself criticising us precisely because we didn’t have a plan. What was Moyes plan? There wasn’t one.
I agree it isn’t good enough. I think the fact it’s Jose Mourinho and relative success in his first season has bought him more time, but I don’t see him being here next season.
Love this revisionism. I guess when things are bad past looks brighter and false.We scored a 45 pass goal against Southampton under LVG. The team was properly coached. We didn't defend and hope for a lucky goal. We did struggle to break teams down but the team had a formation and system of play.
Lingard, Fosu Mensah, Rashford and Martial all looked good under LVG.
Think a lot of people forget why the second season under LVG ended up so bad. That being his somewhat shite record of transfers both in and out (which is still his fault no doubt) and us relying on a shite Rooney up top (with Martial on the left all the time). We ended up lucking out on Rashford coming through to help us out in the second half of the season.