Today is the first stage of the recovery of our club

[simplyared]

He'll be gone before the end of the week.

 

[Von Mistelroum]

Do people really think he's going to be sacked? Even if he is (he won't be), our problems go far higher.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

What's that quote, the cleverest thing the devil ever did was convince everyone he didn't exist?
Seems like the cleverest thing Jose has done is act like we have some sort of dross squad and he's doing heroically salvaging us so high up the league.

He's had people thinking Sanchez, Lukaku, Pogba and Martial are poor players over this season alone.

Sanchez and Lukaku topped the scoring charts a couple of years ago. Pogba we know had a great world cup. Martial was a one man attack for Van Gaal at times.

These 4 are top Premier league players. But you wouldn't think it.

I'd expect a big improvement once a new guy comes in.

As would I. I don't think it is a coincidence our attacking players look rubbish when Jose is managing them. After Lukaku had 25 league goals in his last season with Everton, I was expecting him to get 30-35 here with the service he was going to receive from superior quality players.

 

[Oscar.Z.Acosta]

I'm gonna do something unusual here and agree @Wumminator, I think he has to go now.

I believe he'll be sacked on Monday or Tuesday.

If he doesn't I really think the pressure on Woodward and the board needs to jump up about 10 times where it's currently sat.

Until the Glazers' accountants sign-off the extra compensation money Mourinho will currently receive if he's sacked this will not happen. And you know what accountants are like with filthy lucre. I'd venture when we're knocked out of the European Cup we'll pretty much be mathematically assured of not finishing fourth and then he will go. It's rather depressing all round, but it's only football *hides*

 

[Sandikan]

As would I dont tghink it is a coincidence our attacking players look rubbish when Jose is managing them. After Lukaku had 25 league goals in his last season with Everton, I was expecting him to get 30-35 here with the service he was going to recieve from superior quality players.

Very little of what Jose has done has made sense since he's got here.

He likes a big muscular target man. Lukaku is the former, but not at all the latter.

He knows exactly what sort of centre backs work, yet went for a Lindelöf type player, who most of the café could out muscle and head. Bailly again seems too wild to be his type of defender.

Mhky, a very flimsy flair player, again nothing like his sort of player.

Buys Pogba, then tries to use him like some normal player rather than build round him.

It's been bizarre, and Jose himself said we're well off where he'd expect to have a team.

 

[kouroux]

He'll be gone before the end of the week.

One can only dream. I would run around butt naked in my neighborhood for it

 

[Sandikan]

I'm gonna do something unusual here and agree @Wumminator, I think he has to go now.

I believe he'll be sacked on Monday or Tuesday.

If he doesn't I really think the pressure on Woodward and the board needs to jump up about 10 times where it's currently sat.

I just can't see a United manager sacked after a defeat at Anfield to be honest.
If it was that performance and result at home to Huddersfield, maybe, but probably still not.

We've shown twice now we'll only act when top 4 can't be reached.

The only thing different is that there was that leak a couple of months back that he was gone. If that was a genuine thought in the board, and they got scared by the media backlash and very slight improvement in results after, then maybe that can come back up now.

 

[Sandikan]

Let's give it to Giggsy!

Giggsy wouldn't do worse than what we're seeing this season.
But I wouldn't have been confident he'd match the 2nd last year, and 2 trophies the year before.

 

[red thru&thru]

If only the people running the club had the same mindset as you and we would be in a better position. Good post and good strategy mate.

Thank you. But I really do believe in it. It’s a blueprint which has been working so well elsewhere.

 

[red thru&thru]

Do people really think he's going to be sacked? Even if he is (he won't be), our problems go far higher.

The problem is, if we sack him, who do we get at this stage? If by popular belief it’s Poch, then we’ll have till wnd of the season. If we were more forward thinking, then I’m sure Marco Rose would be available today.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

The problem is, if we sack him, who do we get at this stage? If by popular belief it’s Poch, then we’ll have till wnd of the season. If we were more forward thinking, then I’m sure Marco Rose would be available today.

Don't want to sound like a broken record but have mentioned many times but Leonardo Jardim is available. Never heard of Marco Rose what is he like please?

 

[Eric's Seagull]

Very little of what Jose has done has made sense since he's got here.

He likes a big muscular target man. Lukaku is the former, but not at all the latter.

He knows exactly what sort of centre backs work, yet went for a Lindelöf type player, who most of the café could out muscle and head. Bailly again seems too wild to be his type of defender.

Mhky, a very flimsy flair player, again nothing like his sort of player.

Buys Pogba, then tries to use him like some normal player rather than build round him.

It's been bizarre, and Jose himself said we're well off where he'd expect to have a team.

Seems as if he signs players with particular skill-sets which they are good at utilising and trying to mould them into something what they are not, rather than than getting players who fit the mould of the type of player he is after for particular positions.

I personally think if you pay a world record fee for a player you should play to his strengths and try to build a team around him.

I don't think he can hide behind the excuse of 'we're well off where he'd expect to have a team'. He's had three summer transfer windows to rectify the problems and by now this should be his team playing the type of football he wants.

 

[simplyared]

Just listen to the post match presser after todays game. According to our manager he inherited injury prone players that lack physicality. Compared to Liverpool we don't have that quality or intensity. His Porto team were like mad dogs winning back the ball within seconds. He played with this system with Inter, that system with Real fecking Madrid. He's taking the piss out of the club, board and players. He'll be gone by midweek.

 

[red thru&thru]

Don't want to sound like a broken record but have mentioned many times but Leonardo Jardim is available. Never heard of Marco Rose what is he like please?

He’s the manager at RB Salzburg. He played under Klopp and may have worked with Touchel. He’s cut from the same cloth as them. He Won the European youth league with RBS in 2016, beating the likes of City and Psg along the way. Got promoted to the first team. Won the league, maybe even a cup and reached the semifinals of the Europa League. Currently their top of their league and won every match in the Europa League.

They play with a high press, attacking football. Very flexible in his line up. No big signings. Coaches players vey well and promotes his youth players into his team.

Sound familiar to someone we once had?!

 

[simplyared]

I'd give it to Keano before Giggs. He seems to have mellowed a bit.

 

[red thru&thru]

Just listen to the post match presser after todays game. According to our manager he inherited injury prone players that lack physicality. Compared to Liverpool we don't have that quality or intensity. His Porto team were like mad dogs winning back the ball within seconds. He played with this system with Inter, that system with Real fecking Madrid. He's taking the piss out of the club, board and players. He'll be gone by midweek.

You have to blame the board to keep allowing him to trash us.

 

[Sandikan]

Just listen to the post match presser after todays game. According to our manager he inherited injury prone players that lack physicality. Compared to Liverpool we don't have that quality or intensity. His Porto team were like mad dogs winning back the ball within seconds. He played with this system with Inter, that system with Real fecking Madrid. He's taking the piss out of the club, board and players. He'll be gone by midweek.

This midweek?
No chance.

 

[kundalini]

For me, the first stage of the recovery will come when the board recognise that what they've tried in the post-Ferguson era hasn't worked, then come up with a strategy appropriate for the club, the fans and the players, and finally, interview several managerial candidates to see if they are a good fit for the strategy.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

He’s the manager at RB Salzburg. He played under Klopp and may have worked with Touchel. He’s cut from the same cloth as them. He Won the European youth league with RBS in 2016, beating the likes of City and Psg along the way. Got promoted to the first team. Won the league, maybe even a cup and reached the semifinals of the Europa League. Currently their top of their league and won every match in the Europa League.

They play with a high press, attacking football. Very flexible in his line up. No big signings. Coaches players vey well and promotes his youth players into his team.

Sound familiar to someone we once had?!

Thanks for the information. From what you have said sounds very promising, ticks lots of boxes.
Definitely someone I shall start taking more of a look at.

 

[OLLY ORANGE]

Won't be gone untill champions league is mathematically gone on both fronts.

 

[yumtum]

He’s the manager at RB Salzburg. He played under Klopp and may have worked with Touchel. He’s cut from the same cloth as them. He Won the European youth league with RBS in 2016, beating the likes of City and Psg along the way. Got promoted to the first team. Won the league, maybe even a cup and reached the semifinals of the Europa League. Currently their top of their league and won every match in the Europa League.

They play with a high press, attacking football. Very flexible in his line up. No big signings. Coaches players vey well and promotes his youth players into his team.

Sound familiar to someone we once had?!

Also beat their big brother club twice right?

Haven't seen them play, just highlights in Europe.

To be honest though, it's been so long since we had a manager that played really good football (the last 2-3 years of SAF was just winning no matter what), it's been a decade long hiatus for United fans to be genuinely excited at watching us play, it's high time we get what most of us want out of watching football (entertainment).

 

[Sied]

I find it odd that there's widespread talk that this is the game that will tip the balance and get him sacked. We're talking about a loss against top of the league... It's no surprise. And don't tell me he will be sacked because it's a derby loss, because the board aren't driven by emotion like fans are by derby games.

 

[red thru&thru]

Also beat their big brother club twice right?

Haven't seen them play, just highlights in Europe.

To be honest though, it's been so long since we had a manager that played really good football (the last 2-3 years of SAF was just winning no matter what), it's been a decade long hiatus for United fans to be genuinely excited at watching us play, it's high time we get what most of us want out of watching football (entertainment).

100% agree. I believe, as a spectacle, 2010 was our last season of decent football. After that, we just grinded out wins.

This is why I believe a less a known manager will be afforded more time by all, including the media. As a club we need to be realistic and say to all, we are now laying down the foundations for the next decade etc. Red Bull have literally started from scratch with all their teams and laid down the foundations for attacking and attractive football. This is something we need to start doing, asap. First call, get someone like Mitchell in.

 

[yumtum]

100% agree. I believe, as a spectacle, 2010 was our last season of decent football. After that, we just grinded out wins.

This is why I believe a less a known manager will be afforded more time by all, including the media. As a club we need to be realistic and say to all, we are now laying down the foundations for the next decade etc. Red Bull have literally started from scratch with all their teams and laid down the foundations for attacking and attractive football. This is something we need to start doing, asap. First call, get someone like Mitchell in.

This is exactly the thing that should be happening! And I think most of our support would understand if we were aiming for sinethsom, but for the last 6 years we've been pissing in the wind!

Unfortunately though, this will not happen with Woodward here, he's not a football guy so doesn't understand this, he clearly thinks if everyone knows you (big name players) then you cant go wrong, and he clearly hasn't learnt his lesson.

In order to lay the foundations we need to restructure everything, shame Woodward won't sack himself.

 

[Redplane]

What's that quote, the cleverest thing the devil ever did was convince everyone he didn't exist?
Seems like the cleverest thing Jose has done is act like we have some sort of dross squad and he's doing heroically salvaging us so high up the league.

He's had people thinking Sanchez, Lukaku, Pogba and Martial are poor players over this season alone.

Sanchez and Lukaku topped the scoring charts a couple of years ago. Pogba we know had a great world cup. Martial was a one man attack for Van Gaal at times.

These 4 are top Premier league players. But you wouldn't think it.

I'd expect a big improvement once a new guy comes in.

I agree with this. He s been tampering expectations while the reality is that we should at least be duking it out for the no. 3 spot. Why would the team belief in itself when the manager can't.

 

[Macern]

We're not mathematically out of the top 4 yet, he ain't going anywhere.

This is an unbelievably pathetic strategy from the club, to keep the manager until top 4 is mathematically impossible, but sadly it seems to be the truth. I’ve today decided to stop watching United until Mourinho leaves (or he turns it around which is 0.000001% likely). I’m settling in for a long period without watching United and it’s just sad.

 

[Sandikan]

I agree with this. He s been tampering expectations while the reality is that we should at least be duking it out for the no. 3 spot. Why would the team belief in itself when the manager can't.

He's lowered expectations ridiculously just this last month.
A few weeks ago it was we'll deffo be top 4 by Christmas, then one game later it was how hard top 4 would be.

 

[Sandikan]

This is an unbelievably pathetic strategy from the club, to keep the manager until top 4 is mathematically impossible, but sadly it seems to be the truth. I’ve today decided to stop watching United until Mourinho leaves (or he turns it around which is 0.000001% likely). I’m settling in for a long period without watching United and it’s just sad.

It's not great, but it's unlikely we'll get a top manager until the summer.

 

[red thru&thru]

This is exactly the thing that should be happening! And I think most of our support would understand if we were aiming for sinethsom, but for the last 6 years we've been pissing in the wind!

Unfortunately though, this will not happen with Woodward here, he's not a football guy so doesn't understand this, he clearly thinks if everyone knows you (big name players) then you cant go wrong, and he clearly hasn't learnt his lesson.

In order to lay the foundations we need to restructure everything, shame Woodward won't sack himself.

I think Ed’s next move will make or break him. If he doesn’t get in a DoF, he will fail again. That will be his last thing he’ll do with us.

However, I still have this small hope that even Ed can’t be so thick. He will get the proper people in to help him.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

I think Ed’s next move will make or break him. If he doesn’t get in a DoF, he will fail again. That will be his last thing he’ll do with us.

However, I still have this small hope that even Ed can’t be so thick. He will get the proper people in to help him.

I just hope Ed his enough intellect to realise how important the appointment of the Director of Football is.
I personally think this is going to be one of the most important appointments in our history.

Don't want to be a doom monger but this appointment has to be spot on to stop us going down the Liverpool route and then having ton spend ex amount of years to get back to former glories.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

In order to lay the foundations we need to restructure everything, shame Woodward won't sack himself.

Perfectly said. Agree entirely.

 

[sullydnl]

It's not great, but it's unlikely we'll get a top manager until the summer.

Surely appointing someone as an interim manager couldn't actually make things worse though? Even the false hope that would bring would be welcome at this stage.

 

[Ajax Treesdown]

I don't think Jose sanctioned half the transfers made on his watch. Bigger issues at the club that Jose. Business men making footballing decisions can only lead to problems. How does the board know to veto Joses request for an additional centre half, who has told them?????

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

Why do we keep going for managers (Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho) who are past their best and living on past glories (OK, relative in Moyes' case)? Wonder if we’ll do the same next time? Ancellotti maybe?

 

[Roboc7]

I don't think Jose sanctioned half the transfers made on his watch. Bigger issues at the club that Jose. Business men making footballing decisions can only lead to problems. How does the board know to veto Joses request for an additional centre half, who has told them?????

That’s nonsense they are all his signings, he’d have made sure everyone knew if they weren’t. People need to stop making excuses for him, he is a failure and simply cannot compete with his peers. He can’t understand how other teams play the way they play or how to stop it, football has evolved and he hasn’t.

Clearly there are other issues at the club but the biggest one at the moment is the manager, there is no hope until he is gone. Whatever it costs to sack him is worth every penny, especially if some time and thought goes into replacing him and restructuring.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

So many of us just want to enjoy watching our team play. Modern football has bypassed our managers interpretation of the game. A manager who plays football on the front foot will unlock a lot of our group of players potential. Maybe not enough to win any trophies for now but at least it’ll be enjoyable.

Some of the football on display today would have been shocking from a sunday league side. We had players jumping for balls way too high, passing it into areas where we had no players within 20 yards. It was embarrassing.

 

[marukomu]

One can only dream. I would run around butt naked in my neighborhood for it

again?

 

[Dirty Schwein]

He's got to go Robbie. I'm sick of being right every week. Mourinho out blud. Mourinho out fam. HE'S GOT TO GO!

 

[Random Task]

He's got to go Robbie. I'm sick of being right every week. Mourinho out blud. Mourinho out fam. HE'S GOT TO GO!

When is the first episode of RedfamTV set to be released?

 

[Hugh Jass]

Just want to wake up next august and we have cloned pep as our manager. We can call him pep 2.