I've no problem with your statement that it doesn't gaurentee success, but your point on Liverpool achieving success with their owners is just not a valid one
The Saudi Takeover Rumor Thread
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If Liverpool don't implode it's still highly likely they will finish runners up this season. They may well have a record number of points for a runner up. City may well win the league by 10 pts but that will not stop them spending big in the Summer. There is no way FSG are going to try & spend like City. The only reason they spent in the Summer is due to the coutinho money. This leads to a situation that they had with Suarez & Stirling. The players know there is little chance of winning the league so will start agitating for moves. The fact is that the only way to win the league will be to buy it from hereon in.
If you want to use anyone as an example of how to run a club, look at Red Bull!
But success isn’t an instant thing. How long have Liverpool’s owners been in place? Five years? Without wanting to big Liverpool up, the difference between our teams, as witnessed on Sunday, is realistic to the state of the two clubs. They have been in two European finals and challenged for two leagues (including this year). I’d argue (reluctantly and I hate I’m doing it now) that as a bunch of fans, they’ve been far happier over the last five years than we have, regardless of our trophies. A single league and they’re one off our 20 and they will have smashed us for success.
That’s down to sound investment, both on and off the pitch, something Liverpool have done well (e.g. sporting director). And, back to my original point, without dodgy owners!
City have had actual success since 08, but in my eyes it’s tainted in the same way Lance Armstrong’s TdFs are tainted. As would ours, if we all of a sudden get similar owners and go about things in the same way.
We can already spend as much (or more than) Madrid, Bayern, Barcelona, Liverpool, Chelsea, Juventus etc on transfer fees, wages and facilities/infrastructure.
These clubs have certainly been competing with (and in many cases, outperforming) City & PSG in the last 7 or 8 years, and will likely continue to do so. None of them are owned by sovereign states - we don't need to be, either.
One of the primary reasons for our paucity of performance relative to City is that Woodward, Judge and Mourinho are much less competent than their counterparts across town, Soriano, Begiristain and Guardiola.
These clubs have certainly been competing with (and in many cases, outperforming) City & PSG in the last 7 or 8 years, and will likely continue to do so. None of them are owned by sovereign states - we don't need to be, either.
One of the primary reasons for our paucity of performance relative to City is that Woodward, Judge and Mourinho are much less competent than their counterparts across town, Soriano, Begiristain and Guardiola.
When are they taking over?
This. I'd rather be relegated than sell our souls to someone as cuntingly deplorable as murderer MBS.
Hopefully never.
Bloody hell, imagine MBS in the directors box at OT.
If he ever felt like visiting OT, he would probably be seated in any box he wants
Even without buying the club.
Yeah, quite a sickening thought isn't it?
Certainly. I’d likely stop following the club. It would be difficult but football clubs shouldn’t be there to launder the image of murderous dictators.
for me sport is a distraction from all the crap in life so maybe i've no morals or am soul less but for me I just want United to be back were they belong among the elite of football, maybe all the fans who worry about having imaginary blood on their hands if the saudis buy the club should go back to their happy times and follow the lads from 92 bankrolling Salford
I hope they don't sell this season as that'd mean another season with Mourinho. The new owner would not dare sack one of the most successful manager without giving him a chance, so 2019/2020 will be another wasted season under Mourinho with him spending 1b to buy a new team of giants physical players.
Seriously I hope it's the Saudi as anyone else will just use the club as a money making machine and take many out.
Seriously I hope it's the Saudi as anyone else will just use the club as a money making machine and take many out.
Saudi money is already in the club coffers because we have some sort of partnership with them. The blood money is already in circulation at the club.
I'd probably still follow the results but i certainly wouldn't invest anywhere near like the way i do now, either financially nor emotionally.
And in our cars,
.Oh, I agree - I’ve been going on about inherent freedom of thoughts and lifestyle in this context (whatever we all think, it cannot be denied that the pluralist western culture offers more objective freedom than any de facto dictatorships), but have seen the massive growth in inequality since the rise of unfettered capitalism (rather than a mixed economy, if one could get all Marxist about it) from the 70s onwards. I live in London now and the rise in homelessness in one of the wealthiest places on earth is a shame on us all.
There are solutions which aren’t too difficult and based around far more progressive business and income taxation for those earning extreme wealth but the mindset of current generations have been conditioned to believe tax rises are wrong and I don’t have enough time to go into that apart from the fact that free marketers had an easy job tapping into peoples’ greed and aspirations since the memory of the Second World War started to fade. Ayn Rand and Alan Greenspan’s toxic legacy still looms large over society, sadly...
But I feel on this day we should all come together and rejoice that we might actually see our club play a decent game of football - happy holidays!
Do you really think he wouldn't "own" old Trafford if he visited right now? Glazers would kneel down and give him a reach around while inhaling his fart if he offered to pay a visit.
They are most likely referring to Sharia Law.
No, he wouldn't 'own' it, even if he could get a decent seat.
Mourinho leaves, Man Utd share value spikes by £170m
All the while, we won't be the CL next season, there are four teams currently better than us in the PL, some of our biggest/most marketable players reportedly want out. Will need to spend heavily to catch up, plus bring in a new probably very expensive manager and even then it's still a gamble.
Glazer's might be ready to move on...
All the while, we won't be the CL next season, there are four teams currently better than us in the PL, some of our biggest/most marketable players reportedly want out. Will need to spend heavily to catch up, plus bring in a new probably very expensive manager and even then it's still a gamble.
Glazer's might be ready to move on...
Would be quite happy for this to happen as long as the new owners don't see us as a cash cash cow with 50million+ milkable udders a year.
Apparently, Norway government is interested in buying Manchester United with their trillion fund, why not? I'd rather be owned by Oil State Norway than Saudi.
First I have heard of this. Please be true. Do you link mate or are you joking?
So making it 170 times worse is no problem? If it's a little bad already, let's make it absolutely atrocious!
If we got taken over by Saudis that would be the end of me as a United fan too. It would complete the transformation of us into everything I hate about modern football and the world in general. It already feels less like supporting a football club and more like being a fan of a brand and a bunch of instagram models running around more interested in their endorsement deals than results on the pitch. I hope this next chapter in the club with a new manager is able to change some of this.
Bring on the camel sponsorships I say
How the feck will it make it 170 times worse?
Panic setting in
Hyperbolic season around here at the moment
That's a Turkish cigarette company, not Saudi
He is joking
Having "some Saudi money in circulation" versus "being literally owned and run by an evil, ruthless dictator". That's roughly 170 times worse.
I don't mix sports and politics and have always stayed consistent in that regard. If anyone feels different, then FC United could do with the support.
Good for you that you can compartmentalize like that, genuinely not being a dick. Everyone has their own moral compass though, some won't care who owns the club some will each to their own.
Ironically some of those really desperate for this Saudi buy-out to happen could be supporting other teams in the near future if the takeover doesn't become a reality.
I personally will support the club whoever owns it. I live minutes from Old Trafford and my family by large have been United fans. I respect all fans, whatever their views might be, but nobody will stop me from supporting my team, not even murderers like Bush, Blair, Mbs etc.
Good on you mate. I would like to think i'm the same, been supporting United for 30 years. If this takeover happened while i don't think i could just stop being a United fan but i don't know if my love for the club would change/dwindle if it were owned by people like the Saudi rulers.
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