so what? it is a very tough league and not many managers win it at their first try, he did twice and then he won at his first attempt the Serie A. Comparing Pochettino to Conte is just embarassingSerie B..
[Poll] Next permanent United manager
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Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
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@Mods - Is there a way to chose upto 3 options per user ? This will help us understand who will be cafs favorite after Poch and Zidane
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I would take most managers over Conte, not because of what they've won, but due to style of play. And winning Serie B is on a par with winning the Championship which is the second tier. And winning the second tier doesn't hold much value when your football isn't good to watch imo. I'd rather have Brendan Rodgers than see Conte stink the place up with his shitty football.
I am surprised there is no interest in Allegri. It is all Poch atm.
Allegri alot of people don't want due to style of play.
We had enough defensive and pragmatic football for the next decade
Fergie has a huge say in this i guess. That famous lunch with pochh before mourinho was hired reflects the fact.
Also ole coming back with phelan is also classic Fergie.
I agree with you - conte is a better manager than pochettin0; but I won't particularly like to see either of them all that much.
If it's true the club have prioritised style in the new search, it leaves a very small pool to chose from. I can't see Allegri being in it.
I thought the juventus playing style may bring the best out of Pogba again?
I really, really hope that we haven't put all our eggs in the Poch basket. Especially with Levy there. We need to work on credible alternatives as well.
My hope is at least 3 of these are being actively considered also, in addition to Poch:
1) Allegri
2) Fonseca
3) Jardim
4) Favre
5) Setien
6) Zidane
My hope is at least 3 of these are being actively considered also, in addition to Poch:
1) Allegri
2) Fonseca
3) Jardim
4) Favre
5) Setien
6) Zidane
My only concern with giving Zidane the job would be that he would probably have enough after 3 or 4 years. I'm tired of the managerial merry-go-round. I would just like a 10-yr manager or longer to build that identity. So long as we were playing the attractive stuff, I wouldn't care less about the trophyless years. Pochettino would be perfect for that longer term deal and pogress.
There's no manager who's going to stay here for 10 years. All big names move around every 3-4 years. We simply have to adapt to that and build a structure that will succeed whoever in charge like the rest of big clubs.
Almost despite myself I'm strangely optimistic we're going the get this appointment right, in a way I never was before Moyes, LVG or Mourinho were appointed.
I desperately want Solskjaer to work out, if that doesn't then Pochettino is the only real alternative.
I want Poch as the next manager but would be equally happy with Allegri.
How difficult would it be to acquire Pochettino? What would we have to do? Work out a compensation package? How does that work? I don't remember a big managerial swap between two top teams in England in recent years.
Who is this?
Are you joking or what? Conte has managed Serie A and Premier league teams for 5 years winning 4 league title, 1 National Cup and 1 final and the argument is that serie B is second tier? WTF?
Pochettino in 9 years managing Liga and EPL teams has won squat nothing and he is overwhelmingly preferred, something must be wrong somewhere
As to the statement that most manager are better than Conte what can I say rather than you are dead wrong. Personally I think MU job has Conte's name all over it, FFS his specialty is to build up underachieving teams into winning teams and he has been showing it over and over again during the past 8 years. The biggest fault of Conte as a manager is that he stresses his players so much that I doubt he will ever be able to last more than 2-3 years with the same group, but as a manager to rebuild a team and bring back some discipline to a group of underachievers there is nobody better in the market free or not. Besides some of the names I read would be so wrong that I cannot even believe you are seriously considering them. I hope for MU the board does not keep fecking up its decisions as they did in the last few years. As a Juve fan I would prefer you get a Pochettino since MU is the richest club in the world and if they start working again well they will be one more very tough competitor
NOT Conte, Simeone, Capello, Pulis, Allardyce or anyone who plays football of that ilk.
NO MORE PLEASE. I just can't.
NO MORE PLEASE. I just can't.
I'm the same. Poch is my first choice, but Allegri or Jardim would equally be suitable. Fonseca at Shakhtar played a nice progressive style in the CL, and knows Fred well as well during his tenure there, so he'd be a great potential fit too.
If Poch was at any other club, I wouldn't be quite as pessimistic about our chances. But Levy is a horrendous person to deal with and he has a particular bee in his bonnet with us ever since the Berbatov deal...
what has this Jardim fellow done?
Pochettino's face on somebodys body?
Not always. Poch and Klopp could easily do another 4 or 5 years at their respective clubs. Once people get over the basic concept that there are only 4 prizes on offer each season amongst hundreds of clubs, they will accept the fact that they can't win every year. If it wasn't for the crap football and Mourinho's anti-social behaviour, he could have easily stayed at United for 10 years. I'm sure a CL or league title would have come along at some point.
Moving to the new stadium buys Poch a few more years credit so long as they are at the same level. He could easily land one of the big ones in a few years too. 10 years at Spurs is not unrealistc. I don't see why it wouldn't be any different at United if we got the right person.
Won the league with Monaco back in 2017. Apart from that, absolutely nothing of note, and less than Solskjaer actually has at this point.
Oh and Monaco fired him last season because they regressed massively.
You can't stay long at a club whose target is to consistently win trophies and can't endure a single bad season. Liverpool and Spurs have zero expectations for trophies so Klopp and Poch are staying. At another club like Madrid or Chelsea I honestly doubt Klopp would have lasted that long.
United aspirations are similar to those of City, Chelsea, Madrid, Barca..etc. Fans won't just be content with good football and top 4 every season. We can handle it for 1-2 seasons but not forever. At one point fans will ask for results and league titles. Point with big managers is sooner or later after winning a lot, the players will get bored, the manager will get bored and a change will be needed for a success, hence the cycle of replacing managers every 3-4 years. At another club, like Liverpool or Spurs, the club and the fans can get past one bad season and let the manager continue, but at clubs with high ambitions, once this bad season happens it's the end of the manager and time for a change.
I'm absolutely fine with that. Madrid and Chelsea model is a success and brought them loads. We just need to build a structure that isn't reliant on the manager.
Did you even read what I said?Are you joking or what? Conte has managed Serie A and Premier league teams for 5 years winning 4 league title, 1 National Cup and 1 final and the argument is that serie B is second tier? WTF?
Pochettino in 9 years managing Liga and EPL teams has won squat nothing and he is overwhelmingly preferred, something must be wrong somewhere
As to the statement that most manager are better than Conte what can I say rather than you are dead wrong. Personally I think MU job has Conte's name all over it, FFS his specialty is to build up underachieving teams into winning teams and he has been showing it over and over again during the past 8 years. The biggest fault of Conte as a manager is that he stresses his players so much that I doubt he will ever be able to last more than 2-3 years with the same group, but as a manager to rebuild a team and bring back some discipline to a group of underachievers there is nobody better in the market free or not. Besides some of the names I read would be so wrong that I cannot even believe you are seriously considering them. I hope for MU the board does not keep fecking up its decisions as they did in the last few years. As a Juve fan I would prefer you get a Pochettino since MU is the richest club in the world and if they start working again well they will be one more very tough competitor
I don't want Conte due to style of play. His football is shite. Capello is even more succesful at winning trophies and I don't want him either due to style of play. Myself and alot of United fans watch football to be entertained first and foremost.
Conte's football is actually not bad at all. Not great, but not shite either. Decent on the eye when he gets his system right imo. His last season with Chelsea was a free fall with the board over transfers. Italy and Juve love him a lot but btw, they don't like Allegri much saying his football is dull so Conte isn't really that bad football wise.
Obviously not my best option but he can do well here.
I just want the next manager to come in and embrace the club completely. If you can't do that then don't bother applying.
I'm tired of managers coming in and trying to impose their ways on us even if it's at odds with our traditions. For sure make necessary changes, but ensure that whatever you put out on the pitch aligns with what we the fans expect. We do pay their salaries after all.
If you come here and fight with all we represent, it's just not going to work.
This is such a difficult post though. You've got to not only have the required technical ability, right mentality, but also a big set of balls to deal with the constant scrutiny - and that looks to be so intimidating due to the nature of how big the club's become.
I can't see anyone out there who is 'ideal' for the role. However, we need someone so what can you do.
Zidane has the aura and charisma and is used to being in the spotlight, but there are questions about his technical abilities. I would take him on the understanding that he would be working with a top notch team behind him.
Poch, I think he will not handle the pressure and scrutiny very well. That's my gut feeling. He makes me feel uneasy for some strange reason. I also don't want us chasing after him, and wasting time 'negotiating' with Levy who will drag the shit out of it. Then we'll be scrambling around in pre-season and still might not get him.
I don't think this is the greatest situation and we need to be interviewing others as well.
Allegri is a bit defensive I think and I don't know that we have any more patience for that kind of football.
Ideally, Ole (or some other ex player) would have already established himself as a brilliant manager, so it would be a no brainer.
It's just difficult.
Forgot to mention Jardim (my pick). A very good coach, and pretty low keyed, but no pushover I believe. Plus will not shy away from playing any talented youths.
I'm tired of managers coming in and trying to impose their ways on us even if it's at odds with our traditions. For sure make necessary changes, but ensure that whatever you put out on the pitch aligns with what we the fans expect. We do pay their salaries after all.
If you come here and fight with all we represent, it's just not going to work.
This is such a difficult post though. You've got to not only have the required technical ability, right mentality, but also a big set of balls to deal with the constant scrutiny - and that looks to be so intimidating due to the nature of how big the club's become.
I can't see anyone out there who is 'ideal' for the role. However, we need someone so what can you do.
Zidane has the aura and charisma and is used to being in the spotlight, but there are questions about his technical abilities. I would take him on the understanding that he would be working with a top notch team behind him.
Poch, I think he will not handle the pressure and scrutiny very well. That's my gut feeling. He makes me feel uneasy for some strange reason. I also don't want us chasing after him, and wasting time 'negotiating' with Levy who will drag the shit out of it. Then we'll be scrambling around in pre-season and still might not get him.
I don't think this is the greatest situation and we need to be interviewing others as well.
Allegri is a bit defensive I think and I don't know that we have any more patience for that kind of football.
Ideally, Ole (or some other ex player) would have already established himself as a brilliant manager, so it would be a no brainer.
It's just difficult.
Forgot to mention Jardim (my pick). A very good coach, and pretty low keyed, but no pushover I believe. Plus will not shy away from playing any talented youths.
It's all opinions bro, Conte and Allegri both are boring cnuts as far as I'm concerned. I would much prefer we go for someone like Marco Rose who plays exciting attacking football and is a brilliant young coach.
Won the league by beating PSG with bunch of young players whilst playing exciting attacking football and got to the semi finals of the CL beating the likes of Pochettino and Guardiola along the way. Quite impressive feat. Monaco regressed because they had a massive exodus of that title winning team in the last two seasons. As you can see they haven't fared much better under Henry.
I voted for Zizou.
Majority on the CAF are going for pochettino which is a bad sign it will probably end up in tears again.
Nothing the majority of CAF wants has ever turned out good for us.
I hope it will be zidane and we will back him with a lot of funds.
Majority on the CAF are going for pochettino which is a bad sign it will probably end up in tears again.
Nothing the majority of CAF wants has ever turned out good for us.
I hope it will be zidane and we will back him with a lot of funds.
He's definitely not my ideal choice I agree.
Have you seen the first Juve under Conte? not mentioning the Serie B teams. Conte is an Italian managere hence a pragmatic one he chooses the tactics based on the players he has, if he has the right players he can play a very offensive football, but choosing a manager based on the style without considering the players is a recipe for disaster. Even his Chelsea especially during the first year played quite offensively
A manager that chooses style over players is a mediocre manager.
We just sacked a manager that has been far more successful than Conte and actually won 2 UCL titles and numerous league titles in his career. He was given £400m to spend and still failed because of his cowardly tactics.
A manager that plays adventurous football will be backed and given time at United. The fans will also demand to be entertained.
So we want a one season wonder to manage our club now? There's a reason why he isn't being linked with the likes of Madrid. He didn't sign those players, the DoF signed them to fit within the team's philosophy. He would be a desperate and poor appointment.
I don't know about Real Madrid or one seasons wonder but was just clarifying to you the circumstances of his sacking and the context of his title win as it seemed you were downplaying it as nothing achievement. After that you can come to your own conclusions .
Oh and madrid have been linked with Mourinho so there's that.
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Can we add Ole to the poll? I know he is supposed to be an interim manager, but there is a saying that possession is 9/10 of the law.
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Can we add Ole to the poll? I know he is supposed to be an interim manager, but there is a saying that possession is 9/10 of the law.
I'd be certain of getting Poch is Real weren't going to be in the market for a manager this summer. I still think we'll get him but it won't be easy and certainly won't be cheap but I don't care it isn't my money.
Since it's been radio silence about us and Zidane (apart from Richard Keys and one or two dodgy tabloids) we won't be going for him.
Since it's been radio silence about us and Zidane (apart from Richard Keys and one or two dodgy tabloids) we won't be going for him.
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